Obama's Attorney General Nominee: Illegal Immigrants Have a Right to Work in The United States

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Ha! You are talking about Classical Liberalism in that quote. This is more of what modern day conservatives/libertarians are.

Progressivism tries to co-opt "liberal," but they are really much more authoritarian and oligarch oriented. In short, progressives want to institute a tyranny, but it's a tyranny for your own good, of course.

originally posted by: xuenchen



I wonder if he would be supporting her if she was up for IRS Commissioner?

Hmm...well according to an official from The White House...Reverand Al is
special at what he does....

"There's a trust factor with The Rev from the Oval Office on down," a White House official said of Sharpton, an ordained minister. "He gets it, and he's got credibility in the community that nobody else has got. There's really no one else out there who does what he does." *

oh and dont miss the part where Reverand Al says that it would be a demotion if he were
running the NYPD....



You cant even make this kind of stuff up! Reading between the lines,
he just might have his fingers in the proverbial pie deep enough to even
influence the IRS picks too! Wow....

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as democratic elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.

LOL!

That is not what passes for it today.

Taxes,gun control, regulation of the markets, regulating the entire planet under the delusion of global warming. and the rich have too much money. Spread the wealth.

Democratic elections. Except when people are elected in to the house then the majority party in the senate blocked everything they tried to.

Then win another election, wins the senate, and still totally get's IGNORED.

Then their leader makes state of the union, and totally ignores the reason they were elected in to power. To continue pushing his agenda.

Freedom of the Press except if it's Fox News, and anyone who disagrees with the so called liberal.

Be advised:

Liberal and conservative mean totally different things in modern American politics.

a reply to: ketsuko

a reply to: neo96

Without coming across as rude...
I'm not an American... I do not adhere to your definitions, & do not lean to the left...


I'm a Liberal... & a true Liberal can be anywhere on the spectrum, centre, left, right, or slightly central to either...

Or like myself, nowhere on the spectrum, instead watching from afar as all sides fight it out...
As far as an American liberal, no, in fact I'd probably be closer to the right if I was in the States...
That is if I wasn't sitting back from afar rather than riding the merry go round...

As such I have no inclination towards any of the ideologies you responded with.



& the whole point of my post was to point out that while my opinion may have been Liberal, it certainly wasn't the posters idea of a liberal response.

This wouldn't stick in your craw so badly if for some reason we thought the DOJ actually gave a damn about illegal immigrants. Giving them jobs isn't to make them happy.
The circular economics of taxation and government subsidies equals out any incentive to bring in so-called "cheap labor".
It really is all about destroying the middle class by removing available jobs from the pool.
The middle class is all that stands between Wall street and absolute dictatorial power and we grow softer and more pliable with each generation.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Each generation is more docile than the last (except when it comes to standing up against anyone that isn't the gov), more spoonfed and coddled. More distracted and gullible. It's a mess.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Exactly. They know that most of these people they are bringing in illegally aren't coming here with the spirits of traditional Americans. They are coming here to sponge and be fed through the government dole. Oh, yes, they will work at barely there jobs and no doubt they will work hard, but they won't be able to sustain themselves so they will always need government handouts. They will always be dependent, and they come from countries where they are used to being dependent, and they come from church traditions where they are taught liberation theology which is about being dependent and socialist and having your fair share given to you.

The strong, independent American spirit. The person who comes here to strive and make it on their own is the one who gets shut out.

They don't want them. Those people don't need government help. They aren't a compliant underclass or worker class. And they won't vote to keep the current brokers in power.

They are replacing the current revolting peasants (us) with this new underclass.

Claiming that because someone broke the law to get here they should be treated outside the rights afforded to all men who are created equal is absurd. The law is arbitrary and wholly worthy of ignoring, and we all know it.

Its an old argument, well tested, but not often used in this context. But an agreement between two consenting adults should not be made illegal. If i have something that needs to be done, and i find someone willing to do it, it is ridiculous that I have make that decision based on where they were born, and if they have a 9 digit number.

Even worse, it seems the only time we really see folks get up in arms is when foreigners take our jobs on our soil. If they take our jobs over on their soil....nary a peep.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Oh I'm livid that jobs are being outsourced but I'm not going there lol.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

i was watching a show today about kids in Burma. This one kid, with the typical first grade education of a Burmese child, was working to assemble suspension systems in a factory. Consider that for a moment.

Then consider the need we all seem to agree on for stuff like clean energy, neutral energy, drinkable water, food supply, etc....combined with our plummeting science and math scores. Not to mention the tendency for biochemists to end up mysteriously dead. In a time when America needs to put its aces in their places, we are fumbling the ball. We need young minds eager to learn the mysteries of the Cosmos. Instead, we get a NASA that doesn't even have a way into space. How are kids suppose to dream big when their rock stars can't even reach the stars? They spend their time memorizing for standardized testing, instead of learning the basic logic functions it takes to grasp the scientific method.

If we are depending on the labor potential that can be filled by a first grade education to support out middle class.....we have a plan doomed to fail from the start. Absolutely the middle class is being pinched. But Uncle Sam is only doing part of the pinching. The US Worker shares some of that blame, too. The industrial revolution was over a century ago. Those are not cutting edge, skilled labor jobs any more. The technological age dawned on the US while the US student began to disengage from the sciences.

Personal anecdote: for us (in my school), focus on science nearly vanished after the Challenger explosion. We watched all shuttle launches live in our class room. The TV sat silent in the corner, showing the prelaunch stuff. When they got close to the countdown, the teacher would turn it up and we would watch the launch. The day that happened, when the teacher died in the explosion, the TV was silently turned off. Which seems like a metaphor in retrospect to what came afterwards.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Claiming that because someone broke the law to get here they should be treated outside the rights afforded to all men who are created equal is absurd. The law is arbitrary and wholly worthy of ignoring, and we all know it.

What is ABSURD is giving special dispensation to those who willfully broke the law.

And they should be treated just like every other criminal.

All men are created equal, and it is by LAW those right's are to be protected.

Laws are for EVERYONE or they are for NO ONE.

Law is the foundation of society.

a reply to: neo96

Lynch is now disqualified.

We have 92 million US citizens of working age, not working...the lowest labor participation rate ever.
Of course we have 20 million illegals in the USA who have jobs- this is BS.

a reply to: neo96

Criminal this. Broke the law that.

You mean the moving goal posts of special interest and institutionalized racism that we call "law" should really matter to people? Because I, for one, am utterly ashamed of Prison America.

Like i said...its absurd to point to that grossly oversized set of laws that the US citizens carry around their neck like a yoke as an excuse to with hold the rights of all men, who are created equal. Just because you choose to bear that albatross doesn't mean everyone else should.

ETA, to address your edit: It is the duty of all men to ignore unjust laws. No, the laws are not for everyone. Our laws are burdensome and vast. And we seem to selectively choose when we will and will not enforce them. In particular, the southern border. We have spent 40 years taking a crap on Mexico. Destabilizing it to the greatest extent possible. The US. Our government. We have turned that country into a hell hole. I, personally, refuse to accept that we can sit on our hands while our government does that, and then refuse to pay for the consequences of our failure to do our duty as The People.

We should pay our debts. Its unconscionable that we wouldn't.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Moving the goal post ?

That goal post has been apart of American LAW for over 200 years.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Written for a VERY GOOD reason.

It has exactly jack snip to do with 'institutionalized' racism.

Because the LAW says ANYONE can come here.

All they have to do is knock, and ask, and get in line.

What about the millions of other people from around the world that want to come here, and can't.

Because a certain group thinks they are so 'special'.

What ever happened to The Green Card?
Oh... it still exists and is in use today by many successful employers.

a reply to: neo96

I Bet he is Also OK with Legal American Citizens giving Up their Jobs that Feed their Families to Illegals who Pay No Taxes and take the Money they Earn here Back to their own Countries once they decide to Leave...................And People Wonder Why Liberal Government Lawyers are Hated so much by Most People in the U.S. ..............

a reply to: neo96

It has nothing to do with being special. And, if we are being honest, it has nothing to do with securing our borders, or "getting in line". It has everything to do with the apparent belief that violating a law strips you of civil liberties.

A law that is unenforced is hardly a law. And I think the law would agree on that with me (as ironic as that sounds). My entire childhood, at least until the government started destabilizing Mexico and crafting the nightmare we have today, people came back and forth across the border with nary a peep. I grew up down here. It only becomes an issue in cycles. Of course, now its always an issue because politicians need to drag up crap to unite their base from time to time.

For what its worth....i saw a cop spit on the sidewalk the other day. That is against the law, too. Should we strip him of his rights?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

The ironic part is that Mexican destabilization began with us daming rivers for electricity. We get the power and we kill their crops.

Oh yea, I've always said laws aren't therre for your protection, thery are there to control you.

I stayed out of this discussion for now, but the responses on this thread are.. uh it makes me want to gouge my eyes out. Let me close with this

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she with silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Sorry but illegal immigration from Mexico is merely a political talking point.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Are we working hard to turn this into a partisan issue? This is pretty much the same thing.

The centerpiece of Bush's immigration plan is a guest-worker program that would allow participants in the program to eventually become U.S. citizens. Bolick claims this program will "ease pressure on illegal immigration."

And if you believe the federal government is good at matching employers with employees, making sure those employees stay with those employers, and accurately estimating how many guest workers every industry in American will need, then sure, it sounds like a good program.

But, if you are a bit more skeptical of the federal government's ability to manage labor markets, then the program is destined to be a complete disaster. [Source]

False, one is a guest worker program where they are here LEGALLY, one is saying ILLEGAL immigrants have a right to work. Newsflash, many people here on LEGAL VISAS can not work. Wanna bet they have no intent on changing that?

Im not speaking for Neo, but personally I would rather have these illegals exported and 'dumped' back where they had come from. If they want to become an American citizen, pass the tests, or enlist in the Military, just as millions had previously done. a reply to: links234