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originally posted by: Jamie1
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
originally posted by: Jamie1
Back up a step.
Nobody has a "right" to work.
That would imply that another person would be "required" to provide a job.
We can't force one person to take an action so that another person can express a so-called "right."
Yes. You have a right to work. BUt you don't have a right to a job.
But it all boils down to: does an individual have a right to ply their trade? Or can there be laws that stipulate who can and cannot mow a yard, or flip a burger, or clean a house, or prepare a tax return.
We all have a right to work if we so choose. Whether we will actually find work....that's a whole 'nuther story.
Well maybe they have a right to work in their country of citizenship.
They don't even have a legal right to physically be in the U.S., let alone a right to be employed.
You can't have an AG who is so political that they ignore the laws. Maybe they should do it the old fashioned way and actually pass new laws if they want to change policy.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: crazyewok
Same topic just different face.
One group says ILLEGALS don't have to follow the law.
And yet gun owners,bankers, rich people,corporations DO.
Doesn't work like that.
After all the rule of law is for everyone.
Not just a group of people every administration deems to be special.
It's called consistency.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
I think we have a duty,and obligation to take care of our own.
Before we even think about opening the doors to anyone else.
We can't, and it doesn't look like we will anytime soon.
If we can't even take care of ourselves, how can we take care of anyone else?
I know. Its a real catch-22. and making matters worse, we exacerbate things by criminalizing the result of Uncle Sam's little drug empire. Rather...the US owns the global drug trade. Both white and black market.
LL: I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND THE BASIS FOR YOUR QUESTION WHETHER THERE'S A LEGAL BASIS FOR THEM TO WORK.
S: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHTS, WHO HAS THE MOST RIGHTS. DOES A LAWFUL AMERICAN IMMIGRANT OR CITIZEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THE LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES ENFORCED SO THEY THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK OR DOES A PERSON WHO CAME HERE UNLAWFULLY HAVE A RIGHT TO DEMAND A JOB?
LL: CERTAINLY, THE BENEFITS OF CITIZEN CITIZENSHIP CONFER GREATER RIGHTS ON THOSE OF US WHO ARE CITIZENS THAN THOSE WHO ARE NOT.
S: WELL, DO YOU THINK A PERSON HERE UNLAWFULLY IS ENTITLED TO WORK IN THE UNITED STATES WHEN THE LAW SAYS THAT EMPLOYEES CAN'T HIRE THEM LEGALLY IN AMERICA?
LL: I THINK THAT CERTAINLY THE PROVISION THAT YOU REFER TO REGARDING TO THE ROLE OF THE EMPLOYER IN ENSURING THE LEGAL STATUS OF THOSE WHO ARE HERE IS AN IMPORTANT ONE AND THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS ISSUE IN TERMS OF PREVENTING UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, WHO YOU HAVE INDICATED BEFORE, ARE SEEKING EMPLOYMENT. WE WANT EVERYONE TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT, BUT WE HAVE IN PLACE AT THIS POINT IN TIME A LEGAL FRAMEWORK THAT REQUESTS OR REQUIRES EMPLOYERS TO BOTH PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT CITIZENSHIP AS WELL AS NOT HIRE INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP.
S: WOULD YOU TAKE ACTION AGAINST AN EMPLOYER WHO SAYS NO, I PREFER TO HIRE SOMEONE WHO CAME TO THE COUNTRY LAWFULLY? WOULD THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TAKE ACTION AGAINST THAT?
LL: WITH RESPECT TO TEMPORARY DEFERRAL, I DID NOT READ IT AS PROVIDING A LEGAL AMNESTY, BUT A TEMPORARY DEFERRAL.
I JUST WANT TO ASK, IS THERE ANY FEDERAL RIGHT FOR AN IMMIGRANT WHO'S NOT A LAWFUL -- NOT IN LAWFUL STAT TO US WORK?
LL: NO, THERE'S NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
I THINK EARLIER YOU SAID YOU HAD A PREFERENCE THAT ALL INDIVIDUALS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES WORK REGARDLESS OF STATUS. I THINK A LOT OF US WOULD SHARE THAT PREFERENCE. I THINK THIS IS CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE LITERALLY -- THERE LITERALLY ARE NEARLY 100 CATEGORIES OF STATUSES OR STATI, WHATEVER THE RIGHT WORD, IS THEY DIDN'T TEACH THAT AT JAMES MADISON HIGH SCHOOL. FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO COUNT GREEN CARDS, NONIMMIGRANT VISAS, SPOUSES OF INDIVIDUALS ON CERTAIN VISAS, PAROLE, ASYLUM, APPLICANTS FOR GREEN CARDS, NON-IMMIGRANT VISAS, IMMIGRATION VISAS. MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT U.S. CITIZENS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO WORK, FOR EXAMPLE, GREEN CARDHOLDERS. WE ADMIT PEOPLE TO WORK ON A WORK VISA. SO LET ME ASK YOU, JUST WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY -- WHEN YOU SAID YOU THINK EVERYONE SHOULD WORK REGARDLESS OF STATUS?
LL: WELL, CERTAINLY, SENATOR, WHEN I MADE THAT COMMENT I WAS REALLY MAKING MORE OF A PERSONAL OBSERVATION AND I MUST ADMIT I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE MY FATHER IS HERE AND MY MOTHER IS WATCHING. BUT CERTAINLY IN MY FAMILY, AS WE GREW UP, WE WERE ALL EXPECTED TO TRY AND FIND EMPLOYMENT AS PART OF BECOMING A RESPONSIBLE ADULT AND AS PART OF BECOMING A RESPONSIBLE MEMBER OF SOCIETY. SO I WAS MAKING A PERSONAL OBSERVATION BASED ON THE WORK ETHIC THAT'S BEEN PASSED DOWN TO ME BY MY FAMILY. NOT A LEGAL OBSERVATION.
S: SO AGAIN, TO REITERATE, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A FEDERAL RIGHT FOR AN IMMIGRANT WHO IS NOT LAWFUL HERE TO WORK?
LL: NO, SIR, NOT AT ALL.
S: OK. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. I WISH SENATOR SESSIONS WERE HERE. I THINK HE WASN'T CERTAIN ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID. I THINK NOW THE RECORD IS 100% CLEAR.
originally posted by: Indigo5
When did ATS become BS central?
My experience living near the border: Americans who die at the hands of a Mexican national almost always (99%) die because they were mixed up with folks they shouldn't have been mixed up with.