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Obama's Attorney General Nominee: Illegal Immigrants Have a Right to Work in The United States

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posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: links234

Sshhhh can't you see people are in here frothing at the mouth...

Leave them be in their state of rabidity...




posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Answer


Furthermore, since you do not live in the U.S. and have probably not spent much time here, you really don't have anything worthwhile to add to the discussion and are simply blathering on about ideals and principles without a full understanding of the situation.



Funny...
Have you ever contemplated telling yourself that whenever you go "blathering" in threads across the board that have nothing to do with the U.S?

Which you have done many times...

Or are you just a hypocrite with a superiority complex?



I actually do not meddle in the housekeeping affairs of other nations in threads presented on ATS. If I comment on a military conflict in another nation, that's a different matter.

I certainly don't offer my opinion on another nation's immigration policies when I know nothing about that country.

So you're either mistaken or lying.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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And what right does the rest of the country have to dictate how we can't help people?


As a tax payer I think I do and I have a lot to say
edit on 28-1-2015 by marg6043 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus




Got me there.




posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

Now you're starting to get into a different argument, one that's based in what went wrong during the recession and not having anything to do with illegal immigration.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: plube

Yeah you are right, this are modern times, we have Those that contribute to the state while paying taxes and those that live off the tax payer without paying anything to it

Does that sounds better? or you are just been sarcastic like I am been right now.




posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: ugmold

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: ugmold
a reply to: neo96
The Rich Lust for cheap labor, I bet they have a stiffy over what is happening in Cuba, start the Exploitation Fest.

Reel in the filthy Rich Now. Low Lifes.


Really ?

Though it was about the current DOJ's party wanting more voters.


Why do you think this is a Partisan matter?

To make it simple?


Its a partisan issue becaue Obama (a socialistic progressive DEmocrat) decided to let millions of IA come, stay, and be given rights! It wasn't Republicans! Hence the partisaned nature of the issue!



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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So having an opinion is "meddling" is it?


I didn't realise that my opinion on ATS was so influential to your Government...

Shame on me for interfering...


& on immigration of all things...

I mean if it is another nations foreign policy go right ahead but don't talk about U.S immigration...


No I'm not mistaken or lying...
You've pidgeon holed the argument on immigration as if to free yourself from the label you so finely tried to apply to me...

There are a myriad of things discussed on here nothing to do with the States and you've had plenty to say about them as well as many others from all over the globe...

& to tell someone their opinion is irrelevent is a classical trait of a superiority complex.



Don't like my input, tough...

I didn't see a "non-Americans not welcome" disclaimer from Neo, so I'll continue to discuss the topic.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: links234


It definitely favors people who have the financial means, skills and education


The high cost of being a legal immigrant in the US: $465

Maybe not $100,000.


To the second, if you want to help people, by all means go ahead.. That still doesn't give you the right to dictate how the rest of the country should respond to the same scenario.


And what right does the rest of the country have to dictate how we can't help people?


So we shouldn't filter immigrants coming into the country? We should let people who are unskilled and uneducated come on in because... why, exactly? What do they have to offer the country?

You're free to help as much as you want. You can donate all your time and money to the homeless AMERICANS or to impoverished Mexicans. Hell, join a mission group and go build some schools in Mexico if you want to help them.

No one is telling you that you can't help poor people. I'm suggesting that Americans should not be forced to help people who are in this country illegally. By help, unfortunately I mean lose their jobs, suffer with a broken infrastructure, and pay higher taxes.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

You're right! Six pages in just 3 hours, that's pretty phenomenal.

I'll just leave them to agree with each other. It's not really worth the effort to argue.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
Are we working hard to turn this into a partisan issue? This is pretty much the same thing.


The centerpiece of Bush's immigration plan is a guest-worker program that would allow participants in the program to eventually become U.S. citizens. Bolick claims this program will "ease pressure on illegal immigration."

And if you believe the federal government is good at matching employers with employees, making sure those employees stay with those employers, and accurately estimating how many guest workers every industry in American will need, then sure, it sounds like a good program.

But, if you are a bit more skeptical of the federal government's ability to manage labor markets, then the program is destined to be a complete disaster. [Source]


It isn't a partisan issue.

You do know it is possible for both parties to be wrong?

I believe you may have misunderstood what I typed.

But hey, it got you two stars!

edit on 1/28/2015 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: yuppa

You need to continue reading because we are way beyond all that now...


How do you ignore a law that you don't know exists?


Are you claiming that all illegal immigrants know the rules prior to arriving?

Are you claiming that all illegal immigrants had the means with which to abide by those regulations before they arrived?



I think that's pretty presumptuous to believe so...
For a myriad of reasons.


Well when the mexican government hands out information on crossing the border and how to apply for social welfare and healthcare yeah i Imagine they are aware of the laws. I f they are sneaking in they know in their hearts its wrong.

The mexican Government needs to stop being hypocritical too. You know what their policy is on the southern border?
They would file complaints with the UN on the US if we did what they do on that border.

ALso Ignorance is no excuse under the law. it is up to YOU to learn the laws and not the governments responsibility.

They break the law they deserve to be punished. Its black and white on this issue.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Answer




Don't like my input, tough...

I didn't see a "non-Americans not welcome" disclaimer from Neo, so I'll continue to discuss the topic.


I don't care if you post or not. I was simply stating that your opinion is invalid because you're making dimwitted comparisons because of your misinterpretation of the issue and your lack of understanding regarding the intentions of the founding fathers of the United States.

If I start commenting on Muslim ideals and immigration policies in England, you have my express permission to do the same to me.


(post by Answer removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: links234

Immigrants find legal paths to U.S. long, difficult




And? So?
You do realize that it is in the nations best interest that it stays that way?

Try going to Mexico as a U.S. Citizen and demand a full time good paying job,
see where that lands ya....Or how about Cuba, or India.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:14 PM
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I was simply stating that your opinion is invalid because you're making dimwitted comparisons because of your misinterpretation of the issue and your lack of understanding regarding the intentions of the founding fathers of the United States.


Usually, at times like that, you'd take the time to teach someone like Yuppa just did for me about how the Mexican Government explain to migrants the proper way to do things, you know, civilly speaking...

It's not often that someone instead decides that rather than educate someone they'll just tell them their opinion is not welcome...

I guess we are all different though.


If I start commenting on Muslim ideals and immigration policies in England, you have my express permission to do the same to me.


Thanks but no thanks, I have manners.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:16 PM
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I don't give myself any credit... It's one of my downfalls...


But as a bonus I don't have the need to feel superior to others I don't agree with...



Eat up!



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Thanks yuppa, I never knew that about the information spread.


I still wouldn't be surprised if some didn't get that message due to the corruption down there, but my initial feelings have changed a bit.




posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Answer


I was simply stating that your opinion is invalid because you're making dimwitted comparisons because of your misinterpretation of the issue and your lack of understanding regarding the intentions of the founding fathers of the United States.


Usually, at times like that, you'd take the time to teach someone like Yuppa just did for me about how the Mexican Government explain to migrants the proper way to do things, you know, civilly speaking...

It's not often that someone instead decides that rather than educate someone they'll just tell them their opinion is not welcome...

I guess we are all different though.


Actually, I did educate you by posting Jefferson's full quote in context.

There just comes a point where my patience wears thin with someone who so clearly just enjoys being on the unpopular side of an issue and who keeps pushing their point. You do this in many many threads. You just like being an antagonist so why should I waste my time with cordiality when your only goal is to goad?

I live in Texas and have more intimate knowledge of the issue than the vast majority of other posters in the thread.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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As was mentioned earlier up thread Jeb Bush wants to give amnesty, and of course, GW tried this as well before leaving office.

Guess what? I didn't like it then, and I won't like it if Jeb tries it.

I do not like the idea of giving special privileges to people who broke the law.



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