Palin and Secret Lover

Originally posted by Evisscerator
I have just sent a copy of this posting to the Gov. Palin campaign. I am sure you can expect to hear from RNC Lawyers within days and possibly lose whatever job you have

That's probably one of the last things she wants right now. Seems she's gone that road before and is now under investigation for it.

Take your threats to U2U....

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 11:13 PM by Fromabove

The media will stop at nothing to get Sarah Palin. So they think if they get someone to say they had an affair with Sarah that all of the sudden the race is over ? Well, here are some things to think about.

1. Most white people will not vote for a black man. It's the hard truth but it is a race trust thing. It's not a good thing but it is a fact.

reply to post by Fromabove

Good Reply. Agree with the black thing but fell off when you spoke about what your sources have told you.

Well ladies and gentlemen, let me say that I am black and sincerely take note to the above statements. I am voting for Ron Paul because I personally feel that he is the only one that has a chance of turning this country around and returning it to the people. With that being said, I am also understanding the dynamics of the word "people". I read the above posts and just started laughing my azz off! A "race trust thing"? I don't want to spin this thread into a conflict over race but I merely want to emphasize a point.

First, take a look at the last 300 years in this country and the institutions and practices that built it (you should know what I mean) and tell me who should trust who.
Second, if in today's environment and with all the events that have transpired that proves without a shadow of a doubt that this country is being led to fascism by non other than our beloved leaders (most of them appear to be white, zionist and most likely neocon) that anyone can post a thread as stated above in reference to race trust, then I would respond be saying that I need to go apologize to massive amounts of people overseas. The reason I say that is because for ten years while living abroad, I engaged in numerous verbal assaults, defending America and arguing that Americans are not dumb and are not sheep! I was just proven wrong on that one because there appears to be quite a few within our ranks! Hey, you win some, you lose some...nobody's perfect.
Third, I have been coming to this site for some time now because I believed that most of the individuals who post out here have something intelligent to contribute to his or her fellow American that may wake up someone and a gradual awakening on a large scale may be the end result. After taking note of the above posts and giving it some serious thought, I am compelled to mention that those two posts are some of the most eye-opening for me so for that I am grateful. It makes me realize once and for all why we are in the mess we are in and why it may get worse if we don't change our ways.

To sum up all this chatter I'll say this to white people on this board. I respect the ideals of the original constitution as it was meant to be preserved (although I still have my issues with regard to the treatment of Blacks and Native Americans in the founding of this country). I am not racist and would fight alongside anyone who is for preserving our nation and its constitution. If you guys think that you are the only ones on this board who has a clue of what's really going on then you are proving yourself to be quite delusional and deserving of the title "sheeple". If race is at the forefront of every American's thinking in regards to this election or most other matters in the preservation of liberty for all, then I'll see you guys in the FEMA camps or abroad because we are going to get our azzes handed to us in short order by lord bush and company (called divide and conquer--worked really well on African slaves). Take care of yourself and each other!
A Black American Patriot!

reply to post by Anonymous ATS



Good points.

I am sure you know that you cannot judge all white people against him. There are those of dubious reasoning of every race, creed, ethnicity, and religion.

That poor reasoner happens to be a white one. There are, as I am sure you know, black people who use poor reasoning as well.

His comment that women were going to vote for Palin because she was female was silly as well. Most women can tell each other apart, and we do not consider ourselves completely interchangeable. It is his own dim view of female intelligence that makes him think that we do not understand the issues, and that we only choose based on the superficial. It is quite possible he attributes that sort of "choosing on the superficials" to others because that is all he is capable of.

Lots of white people HAVE voted for Obama. So it really is sort of silly that he is claiming it wont happen. It already has. And most of the Hillary supporters, (females) that I personally know are going to go with Obama in November, not Palin and McCain. Its about party line for many voters, gender and ethnicity really are not the biggest, or even a serious, concern for most voters I personally know.

I would have liked to see Ron Paul in office too. I think he does have the blunt, no nonsense, harsh but intelligent approach we need to get the country out of the economic mess it is in. I dont agree with him on every single issue, but overall, I think he has the most promise.

I think it will be Obama, however. I dont think the Republicans even stand a chance this term unless there is some funny business with the voting machines. And I think they know it as well. They are totally grabbing at straws.

Edit to change an overly inflammatory term to a less inflammatory term that conveyed the same message.



[edit on 7-9-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

Originally posted by Syntaxstealth
reply to post by pavil

 

My replies.


2. She lets him film them having sex during said affair.Who doesnt have themselves filed in the act? She killed a moose on camera. are you saying killing an anmial is ok but sex is not?

LOL, wow, now I have heard it all. HOW in all that revolves around the Sun can you compare the filming of a hunt to the filming of an explicit act? Hunting is a morally accepted public act. Unless you can manage to drag a One-Ton Moose into a shed and then shoot it, I also fail to see how it could be done anywhere, BUT in Public. An explicit act, especially of the nature which you so claim to hold knowledge of, is morally accepted as private.

Not to mention that Sarah Palin has proven, not only to the American Public in large, but also through the testimony of her friends (and even former foes), that she is in fact one of the few Morally Upstanding, Down-to-Earth, Commoners who for once will be able to Attain High Office. She is on the verge of accomplishing a feat which we have not seen in recent History in those terms alone. In other terms, she is on the verge of accomplishing a feat which we have NEVER seen before in History, AT ALL.

Stop these pathetic smear campaigns. This is what Mainstream Media has come down to, National Enquirer Garbage, and Tabloid Journalism. Even Nicholas Clooney, a hardcore Liberal Journalist (and father to George Clooney), has said that the state of our Modern Media is a dis-service to all, and they should even be ashamed to call themselves "Journalists".

This is as sad as that guy who claims he performed an explicit act on Barack Obama. At the same time, it might be even worse, seeing how the media is actually taking notice to this Partisan garbage. Did anyone EVER hear the MSM publish those claims about Obama?

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by jamie83
And second, I was pretty cruel to the blackened salmon I had last night for dinner. Come to think of it, I was pretty darn cruel to the chicken I had for lunch too.

Do not make fun of the death of the animals that feed you. Seriously do not.

I agree with a lot of your points but ridiculing the death and suffering of animals is really not cool.

I will admit I have been very seduced by the Republican platform (in comparison) but when they start mocking animals and reveling in their death it is really truly not okay.

No one is mocking an animal's death, but what they are mocking is the belief that somehow Palin is cruel simply because she supports Hunting, and Predator Control. If you are against the idea of Predator Control, then I know for a fact that you have no Wilderness Experience, especially not so in Alaska.

I for one am a huge animal person, I feel bad at seeing any amount of violence amongst or against animals. I also hate to see violence amongst or against people as well. However, I have also through life experience learned of the realities in this world. One of those realities is that the Predators in Alaska are out of control. You have to realize, they have OVER 100,000 Bears within the State of Alaska ALONE. That is not counting the Bears that roam across from Canada at will. You also have around 15,000 Wolves in Alaska, ALONE. Again, this does not take into account the Canadian Wolf Packs which obviously know no "Borders".

When Humans hunted these Animals, they were conditioned into a Natural Fear which obviously persisted for Thousands of Years. Due to this Natural Fear, you would hardly ever find a Wolf that would not stay in the shadows, or keep their distance from a Human. I have come across a Wolf before, and he did exactly that. Bears, aside from Sows with Cubs, were simply kept at sustainable population numbers so as to minimize their interactions and thus attacks on Humans, while still being allowed to propagate and thus never face the fear of extinction.

Then we faced a wave of conservationists, some of whom are actually so extreme as to believe this Earth should have never seeded Human life. I do not know about you, but I call that a view bordering on such extremes as to label the purveyor a Terrorist Minded Individual. All of that aside, what most ACTUAL conservationists know is that you must sustain all elements within any given food-chain. If you fail to do so, the entire food-chain can collapse, and thus so can a major portion of any Ecosystem. However, due to the more Extremist Minded Conservationists (or ill-informed), much of the Human Hunting factor was extinguished. Thus, a major portion of the food-chain was eliminated. People forget that Humans have been a Major part of all Ecosystems, and the food-chain, for Millions of Years. Now with the aforementioned in mind, in regards to Ecosystem Collapse, do you see how the elimination of human hunting can be devastating?

As a result of this "collapse" in Alaska, Wolves have completely lost ALL fear of Humans. I know Mushers who have been stalked by Packs of Wolves, all the way down open trails, until the team was able to outrun them. Folks have also had their own pets snatched right off of their leashes while walking them in populated areas. In ONE MONTH ALONE, in December, within the City Limits of Fairbanks, AK, 165 pets were snatched out of yards and consumed by these Wolves. The worst part is that Wolves normally only kill other Canines over Territory, but here they were killing other Canines for food, and within a populated area no less. I know of people who have had Wolves stalk them in broad daylight, down City paths, which used to be nearly unheard of. As a matter of fact, the USAF, through Elmendorf AFB, in Anchorage, AK, is using a technique in an attempt to re-instill their natural wariness. They lure Wolves (From the rightfully named Elmendorf Pack) through the use of meat, then when they appear, they open up on them with rubber bullets, pyrotechnics, and flash-bangs. The idea is to have these exposed Wolves naturally pass along their re-emerged fear to other Pack Members, and Pups as well. So far I believe it is working, but only time will tell. Wolves are extremely clever, and very quick learners.

Did you know that Wolves regularly now go after Dog Teams as meals? The reason being that they are first over-populating, thus their food supply can no longer sustain them. Second, they have lost their fear of human presence. Third, they actually learned that a chained dog cannot defend itself, and they look at it as a fast-food drive-thru, where they do not have to work very hard for a meal.

I like Nature, Wolves, Bears, all that as much as anyone else. However, go ahead and find your pet dog ripped into two-dozen pieces, or with only half of their body left from a meal, and you will change your feelings REAL fast.

[edit on 9-8-2008 by TheAgentNineteen]

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by jamie83
And second, I was pretty cruel to the blackened salmon I had last night for dinner. Come to think of it, I was pretty darn cruel to the chicken I had for lunch too.

Do not make fun of the death of the animals that feed you. Seriously do not.

I agree with a lot of your points but ridiculing the death and suffering of animals is really not cool.

I will admit I have been very seduced by the Republican platform (in comparison) but when they start mocking animals and reveling in their death it is really truly not okay.

Sorry. I was actually not trying to mock anything. I was trying to provide a contrast in that a large majority of people, including Democrats, eat animals everyday.

Please accept my apologies for offending you. I will be certain not to repeat this mistake on my part. I love animals and much to my kids dismay I won't even kill spiders in my house. I catch them and set them outside.

Originally posted by carewemust
If Palin's lover is a Black stud, that would explain the content, confident,
satisfied aura about her. You can take a swipe at your adversaries with a
big smile on your face when ALL your needs are taken care of. At least
that's what the experts on Oprah (and my wife) says.

OMG... I really feel for you, sir.

I know how tough it can be when you discover your wife is having an affair.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
I like Nature, Wolves, Bears, all that as much as anyone else. However, go ahead and find your pet dog ripped into two-dozen pieces, or with only half of their body left from a meal, and you will change your feelings REAL fast.

Alaska is known as the last great wilderness in the U.S. If people don’t want to be around wildlife (including predators) then they could move to New York City.

It is true that we do not have Grizzlies or Wolf packs here, however we do have Coyotes, and yes they do snatch small pets even in the city. Occasionally packs will attack large dogs as well. It is something to be careful of, no doubt. I suspect my neighbor has lost a few cats to coyotes, I have seen them about. Sometimes the news covers a capture, and it breaks my heart because the state does not consider them indigenous so they are not relocated, they are killed.

Humans are eating up huge tracts of land and in many places leaving wildlife no place to go. We have wiped out virtually ALL the large predators in the continental U.S. You might think that is something to be proud of, you might think it shows how superior humans are. I think it is sad. Humans have a higher intellect, so I am pretty sure smart humans could manage to live with a few predators and not to get eaten.

The wolf situation is particularly bad, for some reason some people seem to really hate wolves, hate them so much that they indiscriminately throw poison bait around and apparently don’t care what they kill in the process. In some states people can’t even take their dogs for a hike in a state park without worrying that their animals will be poisoned on the trail because some sick “terrorist” like individual decided to put out poisoned bait.

reply to post by jamie83


Jamie...there seems to be a new you?...Don't make me like you, my head might explode.

On topic...I call complete BS until Proven otherwise.

Show me sunstantiated proof. Pictures along with credible people willing to publically come forward and able to back up their claims ....supporting evidence or multiple witnesses. Anything beyond rumor.

Until then this is SMEAR.

Yes the National Inquitrer actually broke the story of John Edwards having an affair, but that does not mean everything they print is credible.

BS until PROVEN otherwise.

I support Obama...but deny ignorance.

[edit on 8-9-2008 by maybereal11]

What I don't understand is why an affair should have any influence over the political career of any politician. Why should it be an issue.

Nahh.. I know why. It's a combination of sex, scandal and taboo which sells..

This should be a non issue. Just as the issue with her pregnant daughter should be a non-issue. Not important.

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Agree to an extent. Whether someone has cheated in their marriage...well if a couple forgives eachother and reconciles..whose business is it? Their vow is between themselves and sometimes god...not the public.

Either way I think THIS IS BS unless I see strong evidence and testimony to the contrary.

By the way...McCain seems to think it is an important qualifier. ......

Campaign advisers at the convention said Palin filled out a survey with 70 tough questions, including: Have you ever paid for sex? HAVE YOU BEEN FAITHFUL IN YOUR MARRIAGE? Have you ever used or purchased drugs? Have you ever downloaded pornography?
www.salon.com...

First of all...Palin according to the customs dept...has only left the US once in her life and that was to go to visit troops in Kawait.

second for all you idiots voting for her she is not running for anything...she was "picked" to be a running mate...John McShame is running for President.

Last,

all any of you know about this person is what you have got of the net and the news for the past two weeks...do yourselves a favor and use common sense for once in your life...and then just maybe then you will see what matters to you and then vote or not vote for the 2 people who are actually running for office and not the people hired to run with them.

Unless you are betting on the top of the ticket to suddenly pass, in which case you are a lot more dumb than most of the comments on this "blog"

reply to post by TheBandit795


They should be non-issues, until you make family values one of your main selling points. They become very legitimate issues, when one claims to be a champion of family values, abstinence over sex ed for teens, etc. It only illustrates further the hypocrisy of those currently claiming the moral high ground, the virtual impossibility of keeping most teens from having sex before marriage, and the need to educate them on the consequences of unprotected sex.

[edit on 8-9-2008 by 27jd]

Honestly the only thing they can dig up that would make a difference for me is Sarah eating a baby....
yeah thats about it.

other than that she is my girl!

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by TheBandit795

 

It only illustrates further the hypocrisy of those currently claiming the moral high ground, the virtual impossibility of keeping most teens from having sex before marriage, and the need to educate them on the consequences of unprotected sex.

[edit on 8-9-2008 by 27jd]

I'm not against teaching abstinence as part of a comprehensive sex education course, in fact I think it is important that it be included. That said, I am anxious to see how the religious far right would react if this rumor were to be found true.

They sidestepped the pregnant teen daughter issue by focusing on her decision to keep the baby and marry the father. If Palin is proven to have had an affair, it would be a much more difficult issue for the far right, though I have no doubt that they will find a way to rationalize what they preach so strongly against.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
What I don't understand is why an affair should have any influence over the political career of any politician. Why should it be an issue.

Nahh.. I know why. It's a combination of sex, scandal and taboo which sells..

This should be a non issue. Just as the issue with her pregnant daughter should be a non-issue. Not important.

You don't honestly believe this my friend, do you.

For starters, it goes to show that their character is unfit and their priorities are totally backwards and immoral.When a spouse cheats on the one they love and took vows w/for better or worse or sickness and in health,it only goes to show one thing. An immoral,weak mindes person with no self control.

If a political figure whose to be in charge of a state or country doesn't care enough about thier own family,what makes you think they'll pass the expectations of caring for and proteecting the very citizens of this country?Nothing. This is a person I would expect to do nothing more than indulge in ones own pleasures at the expense of the citizens. Corruption and immorality.You want a politician like that in charge of the decisions which affect the outcome of the lives of you and your loved ones?

This is the reason why "an affair should have any influence over the political career of any politician." It affects everones life around them.I'm not saying she did it, just answering your question. Besides the fact that technically it's a crime.

When Spitzer was busted, I sent emails wanting him prosecuted, because if it was an everyday citizen,we would be charged.As a matter of fact any government official or law enforcement figure who knowingly breaks the laws they are trained in to uphold,should be forced to have a more severe penaltyimpossed upon them for willingly violating the law.

HARSHER penalties for politicians and cops who break the law. Sentennce should be tripled. Watch how fast the tide changes.

reply to post by 19DCW71


I agree. Your word is your bond.

If you can't be honest with someone you profess to love, then what chance do the rest of us have?

I'm not passing moral judgment in a literal sense, btw. It's really a simple issue of truthfulness. However you demonstrate your dishonesty, it's the fact of the dishonesty that is relevant.

[edit on 8-9-2008 by loam]

If this is true, does the timing of the affair put any question to the identity father of Trig, the little baby? There has been extreme speculation in regard to his mother's identity....
It seems likely that his father's identity should also be questioned, to not seem sexist.... right?

In addition, how long was she having this affair, or did it occur only in the last 4 months since her pregnancy?
Or did she 'do it' with her lover while pregnant with her husband's child?

I doubt that this is going to come out true in the end, or if it is, we will never heard about it.

I guess those 'nay-sayers' that said that they never knew she was pregnant, with all their weird evidence of a her flying back to Alaska from Texas while in labor, and all that. Maybe the baby is neither Sarah's or her husband's. Maybe they kidnapped him from an orphanage for photo-ops...

I wonder how she found time to raise 4 kids, while pregnant with a fifth, while she was having an affair while also running the great state of Alaska. She must never sleep...

DocMoreau

(edit to add: Please read this in a voice that has a certain jaded sarcasm in it. To help yourself with the method acting, imagine being forced to watch a marathon of Knots Landing re-runs)

[edit on 8/9/2008 by DocMoreau]

I'm just sitting here amazed that as a Republican some of you don't think this is an Issue.

Please explain to me what is important to you as an Republican?

Ok, let's just say the secret lover story is true.
As wrong as it is...
Did she lie under oath?
Is it really anybody's business?
Is there a love child involved?