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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Very sad story.
What's up with all these comments generalising against muslims because of this story? this act has nothing to do with Islam, these murderers are another example of dumbasses who are full of ignorance, let's try not to be the same.
[edit on 1-9-2008 by _Phoenix_]
Originally posted by bodrul
reply to post by L.HAMILTON
apart from the stupid one line opening post
These are centuries-old traditions, and I will continue to defend them,
guess tribal law is represents all of packistan and muslim majority
let the flow of islomofacists come in with their one liners
Originally posted by poet1b
As far as I am concerned these villagers are all a bunch of murderers. Sorry, the ole tribal customs excuse doesn't do it for me. These people in this village who are responsible for this should all be rounded up and shot.
I don't want people who hold these types of beliefs to ever be able to live next door to me. How do we distinguish the nut cases from the decent people? If a guy in my neighborhood is telling his sons that the girls running around dressing the way they want to dress are all whores, his kid isn't going to respect my daughter, so I don't want him to live in my community. Sorry, but when people go this far, lines have to be drawn.
This is why we see the things that are going on in Europe.
When the local government condones this barbaric act, there is not much more you can say. Cancel all visas, because our own future should come first.
www.westernresistance.com...
We mentioned on May 22 that a conference on honour killings had begun in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, entitled "We Can End Honour Killing". Various representatives from NGOs and rights groups were in attendance, and their statistics are dispiriting. Between 1000 and 1500 people, mostly women, are annually slaughtered because of suspected "impropriety" or refusal to engage in the forced marriages which are so common amongst Pakistani families, no matter where they live.
Just from media reports, between January and April this year, 158 women and 56 men had been killed nationally in honor killings. In North-West Frontier Province, a total of 76 women and men had been killed this year.
Further details of this conference can be found in Dawn and the Daily Times. Honour killing only became illegal at the start of last year. Officially, a minimum 10-year jail sentence is imposed on perpetrators of honour killings. In practice, however, there is a problem.
As we reported on April 6, the law includes a clause called "compoundability". This allows the perpetrator of a crime to legally bribe the relatives of a victim, and thus walk away free....
The blame is often laid at the door of "tribal customs" and people try to avoid the taint of Islam in honour killings. But the Hudood Ordinances, a set of Islamic laws, condone stoning a woman to death for adultery.
That honour killings also happen among people of culturally separate Kurdish, also Turkish and Palestinian ethnic origins, gives the lie to the notion that tribal customs are to blame. Islam is to blame, and Islam alone.
We told the story of Mukhtar Mai, a woman who in June 2002 was ordered by a Muslim panchayat to be gang-raped by a group of volunteers in her Punjabi village of Meerwala Jatoi. Her "crime" had been that her 12-year old younger brother had been seen walking with a girl of a higher caste....
And beyond Pakistan, though it is regarded as a sin to commit suicide, Muslim girls are often encouraged to commit suicide when they are seen to have become "tainted". In Ramallah, "Palestinian" territory, on January 2, 2004, Amira Abu Hanhan Qaoud gave her daughter Rofayda a razor blade and ordered the teenager to kill herself by slashing her wrists.
Rofayda's crime was the fact that she had been raped by her two elder brothers and had become pregnant. The child of the rape had been born and given up for adoption. When Rofayda did not obey her mother, Mrs Qaoud put a plastic bag over her daughter's head, sliced her wrists with the razor blade, and when her daughter went limp, she finished her off with a blow on her head from a stick....
The Italian news agency AKI and the UK Independent report that in Turkey, girls have killed or attempted to kill themselves this year in record numbers. These suicides are happening in the eastern parts of the country. In the city of Van this year, 20 young women have committed suicide, more than happened in the whole of 2005. In the Kurdish city of Batman, 10 women and girls under the age of 23 have committed suicide.
Originally posted by Lebowski achiever
reply to post by Dan Tanna
Of course there are only Islamic despicable people. No other race/religious group is capable of such atrocities. However, having said that, it is one of the most appalling stories I have heard for a long time.
Regarding the story about Norway. Do you have a link?
Originally posted by poet1b As far as I am concerned these villagers are all a bunch of murderers. Sorry, the ole tribal customs excuse doesn't do it for me. These people in this village who are responsible for this should all be rounded up and shot.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical The Catholic church is the "Mother of Harlots" spoken of in Revelation. Rome is the "City of 7 Hills".:
Originally posted by crimvelvet Muslims in the USA and other western countries still mutilate girls genitalia. But at least here it is done in a hospital instead of relatives holding the girl down will they cut her up.
Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck Jeez, then I'd stay away from the book of Leviticus if I were you.
Have you ever read Leviticus?? aparently not! It was commands from god to moses it bans incest and sex from male to male...But now this is prohibited behavior this is not the ok from god to kill people.
Originally posted by poet1b Did you bother to read the story line?
Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents Baluchistan province, told a stunned parliament that northwestern tribesman had done nothing wrong in first shooting the women and then dumping them in a ditch.
The freakin political leader supports this murderous act.
Originally posted by spitefulgod Show me something good that has come from this religion...
Originally posted by mystiq
The difference is that Islam is still practicing barbaric customs that enforce abuse of equality and human rights, in modern times when such practices have been curtailed in most of the world. It is a huge difference.
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Very sad story.
What's up with all these comments generalising against muslims because of this story? this act has nothing to do with Islam, these murderers are another example of dumbasses who are full of ignorance, let's try not to be the same.
[edit on 1-9-2008 by _Phoenix_]
Originally posted by moocowman
Uh ? Did you miss the bit in history where christians would -----
Burn women at the stake for being a witch
those atrocities are not supported by christian doctrine, what allahs most faithful do, is supported by islamic word.
throw babies to dogs for being unbaptised savages
cook peoples feet and make them walk on the stumps for alledged heracy
throw tied women into a river to see if they float for alledged witchcraft
The world is not allowed to forget what the Nazis did, but christianity can hide behind the "true christians never did that " excuse
At the end of the day, these women were punished by God for their crimes against him, scriptures clearly say that women should be subserviant to the man, this is godly anything else is of the devil.
What's the difference between Allah punishing them now or Jesus punishing them with an even worse fate later (which is apparently pretty soon) ?
How can the dicipline and punishment of sinners by God be condemned ?
it would be if it were true, but it is not, so it is not amazing at all
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I find it truly amazing that people belonging to the country involved with the most human rights abuse dare to speak ill about other countries.
immigrant is not an insult, it is merely a useful adjective
Let's talk about hypocrisy shall we?
Hypocrisy #1) All white caucasian americans are immigrants but insult more recent immigrants by calling them.... immigrants
well over 10,000 terrorist attacks, in the name of allah since 9/11 alone... peaceful?
Hypocrisy #2) Insult the entire middle east almost when they are the most peaceful all while you being the most colonially evil.
we have women and minorities who own industry and and hold high office, how are we oppressive, again?
Hypocrisy #3) Generalize on an entire nation based on reading about select few individual idiots belonging to that nation when on your side of the world it's YOUR COUNTRY that is the most oppressive nation on the planet.
cheap shot, indeed, no substance.
Perhaps you would respect these people more if they buried the women on foreign soil, perhaps in a secret prison in cuba for example.
From colonialism to world domination, all throughout the timeline of history which race was the most violent? Please go read a book people.
You are all too quick to jump on racism to cloak the evils of your own people.
Originally posted by bodrul
reply to post by spitefulgod
bravo, you come up with a video from a fantic preacher, what does that have to do with the Quran?
if i wanted i could easily serch google or youtube and get enough undercover reports on churches and other groups that preach hate,
and other reports done by other media sources.
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by kcfusion
Do I understand? Very definately. More people have been kill because of religion than for any other reason. The Catholics and Protestants are still trying to kill eachother, the Muslims and the Jews are at each others throats.