Iran caught red handed

1 - Crap source.

2 - Ahmadinejad is a plant. He was one of the students that took the yanks hostage and got away with it because he is "in the club" so to speak.

3 - All the lies about Iraq, completely discredit all authority figures trying to get people to back another war. At least people with memories.

4 - The leaders of the US, UK, EU, Iran, Israel, Russia, China all work towards the same goal of a global state. The plan was 3 world wars then the global state to save people from war etc... this Iran # is the excuse for phase 3 to kick off. The only thing they are stalling over is, who will be the grand ruler of Earth.

Hands up who wants to get drafted for another blag war? Not me.

Don't be disheartened though, I think there must be a resistance within the governments etc and the secret rulers all fight each other, so we have more than a fighting chance to stop them. More chance now than ever, as the closer to fruition ther4e plans are the more they are exposed for what they are and their infighting will further weaken them as the end is in sight for them.

There's always hope.

Originally posted by Sky watcher


I knew it all along and so did some others here while tons of people here were crying and whining that Israel and the United States were making it all up to start another war. Well here you go. Read it and weep. We are all now in more danger than ever thanks to the whiny liberals who have made it just about impossible for our president to stop this threat now. One can only hope Bush has the guts to bomb Iran's nuclear sites of the map.

www.newsmax.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

It's people like you that got USA into war with Iraq when you "supposedelly" KNEW osama bin laden was there. Don't feed us this, blame the liberal bull#!!
If the USA can have nuclear missiles then so can any other country, what you think USA isn't as dangerous as Iran? If anything they are more dangerous because they think about themeselves and forget everyone else. MONEY & POWER...USA is just as bad as any other country!

If Iran have nuclear productions then this needs to be talked about, but really...bombing a nuclear factory?? are you serious, it would kill everyone in Iran and destroy land and other natural resources for surrounding countries...yet again a stupid dictator speacking before thinking!!!

SHAME ON YOU

It Iran uses any bomb on any country they will glow for a long time after the world bombs them. I do not think the USA has the only interest here; Europe is more danger than we are.

reply to post by Yoush


I am forever more dumber for reading that post. Thank you!! We never claimed OBL was in Iraq and do you really think one or even ten nukes going off in Iran would kill everyone in the country? If so you need to do some studding. We detonated more than that in our own country for testing.

Originally posted by Alxandro


Akmonkeynijad

Ahmadinejad


You come across really badly and as a pure intolerant when you use names like this. How would you like it if I call your leader insulting names, or your god?

reply to post by Sky watcher


the UN is nothing but a joke, they are the ones that allow this to happen,

SavageHenry,
To be the intelligent critical thinker you claim to be, then go spouting unverified, fantastic claims that obviously have no basis in real fact, all of which are straight out of a socialist's field guide from 1961, brands you in the truly analytical mind a pure nut job.

Originally posted by babytaz2yo
reply to post by Sky watcher

 

the UN is nothing but a joke, they are the ones that allow this to happen,

I hate to say it but you are right. The UN and is simply a tool of the US so they can get what they want. Even if ,god forbid, they shoudl disagree with the US the US goes ahead and does what they want anyway with no concequences...whats the point? The UN should have been disbanded along time ago.
NATO are not much better. A US run orginisation with an official sounding name to make people think there is some reason and logic used in international politics. NATO is simply the Mum USA runs to when Dad (the UN ) says no.

Originally posted by Sky watcher

Iran caught red handed

www.newsmax.com

New documents shown at a dramatic closed-door briefing to diplomats in Vienna by the International Atomic Energy Agency’s chief nuclear inspector, Olli Heinonen, provided new evidence that Iran continues to work on developing a nuclear warhead for its long-range ballistic missiles, despite a recent report to the contrary from the U.S. intelligence community.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Am I the only one to see the same rhetorics as the preview to war just like the one against Yugoslavia '99?
Behind the closed door (no one else saw it)
New documents (who is that 100% reliable source that is above reproach)
Olli Heinonen?!? Are we going to war with a sovereign country on a basis of one or two man opinions if we know on who's payroll they are?
Hollbrook started the war against Yugoslavia on the false pretenses and lies who is to say this is no exception?
On the other hand israel is a terrorist state threatening just about every state in a region and in possession of 200 nukes (proven even by israeli scientists) so who is to forbid self defence to one Nation against another?
Lets see US, Russia, France, UK and tje rest of the dominant assholes lay down their nukes and then try to go around giving lectures to poorer countries. THIS IS PATHETIC TO THE EXTREME
Zionists again!

reply to post by CLT1985


The USA has a hell of a lot of interest, look at the region, look at the resources... look at global dominance if you have Saudi as a lap dog, Iraq as your proxy and Iran as your supplier.

Iran have never attacked another nation, they have never been the offensive aggressor.

And they will not be in this situation.

Anyone who believes the BS about wiping Israel of the map is either stupid by decision, or just plain stupid. Because you only need to read the ACCURATE translation to see what he ACTUALLY said.

Now, If Israel and the US make the critical mistake of believing a few bombs will wipe out Iran, then Iraq will look like a peace march.

Persians, are smart... calculating... methodical...
They held back a US Backed Iraq for what, 10 years ?
They’ve entered Space, built cruise missiles, manufacture their own jets, submarines.... all be it they aren’t as technologically superior as the USA, but if Iraq shows anything, its that technology cannot win a war.

To be honest, this laptop cannot be taken as truth, nor lies.
Yes, in my mind Iran are sure as hell doing 'something'
They aren’t building power generation plants in the mountain now are they.

So yes, there's more than likely a chance that there's evidence of mass enrichment going on, beyond the stated levels.

But, can we, the west really torment and threaten Iran for seeking the 'extreme deterrent'?

Iran sat by as we invaded and occupied their neighbour, and now we are staring at them. North Korea, Russia, China all prove that if you hold a nuclear bomb, you hold the USA's Dogs of War at bay.

Now, once you get it, you have to understand that using it, pretty much nullifies that deterrent. Because the world understands, if your mad enough to use it, you need to be eliminated, to ensure its never used without just cause AGAIN.

On the other hand, Unfortunately the USA, UN and other 'Western Allies' have 0, read it, 0 credibility when it comes to presenting evidence against middle eastern nations.

This laptop is symbolic of the USA's dominance in the world.

Beleiving this as evidence, shows you care not for past lies and war, and chose to only focus on US dominance, and lower petrol prices.

Not believing this, shows you understand the lies and the needless war, and are more prepared to take a chance with 'discussing critical points' with nations, rather than waging war.

.... Americans.... you want to win the war on terror and stop attacks?
Its simple.

Either STOP supporting Israel, thus forcing them to talk to arab nations and come up with solutions which the arab people find equal.
I mean, after all, it was arabs that were displaced for Israeli people.
So the Israeli people should be the ones bending over backwards to ensure the arab people accept them, and allow them to live on their lands.
If america stops supporting them, and Israel see's they wont have all the missiles and jets and funds they need to oppress them, then they might just have to seek peace through original means..... talking.

Or..

nuke all arab nations that support palestine.

...now which ones sounds like the worse option?

... remember.. this laptop is symbolic... so chose carefully.

This whole "post"-Cold War idea that those who have nuclear missiles will actually use them is foolish. Everyone knows that the use of one will, most likely, lead to their own atomic destruction.

Plus, the Western world has made a special club of nuclear-possessors, and those who aren't in don't have very much recognition in the world stage. You can't expect any modern nation who doesn't have them not to be seeking having them, unless they have the explicit protection from those who do.

Iran is no different. Killing innocent civilians isn't going to make them any more peaceful though...so what's the point?

Originally posted by SavageHenry
By reading your sig... can I assume you like it bareback with no lube?

You've said some good stuff bro, so I don't want to see you go, but ATS isn't cool with those kinds of attacks.

Originally posted by SavageHenry

That is the hard part... Sure Iran has centrifuges... however they do not have enough (the building that we make our weapons grade stuff is covers about 75 acres!!!),

A part of their saber rattling has been that they reached 3000 centrifuges which are considered enough to get weapons grade uranium within a year for one bomb. They further boast that they are continuing to build centrifuges until they reach 50,000.

How true this is only they know…

WE DO NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE NUCLEAR POWER... Even though it is within their RIGHTS.. and even though .. Well I will let the following Picture speak the rest..

Were they not offered light water reactors in exchange for stopping their centrifuge production?

Originally posted by AotearoaSon
You come across really badly and as a pure intolerant when you use names like this. How would you like it if I call your leader insulting names, or your god?

I would be really upset if anyone called Bush a bad name on ATS or post insulting stuff about my religion of Christianity.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

I would be really upset if anyone called Bush a bad name on ATS or post insulting stuff about my religion of Christianity.

ATS is definetly not something your cardiologist would recommend to you then!

Originally posted by glnflwrs
SavageHenry,
To be the intelligent critical thinker you claim to be, then go spouting unverified, fantastic claims that obviously have no basis in real fact, all of which are straight out of a socialist's field guide from 1961, brands you in the truly analytical mind a pure nut job.

Bring up some examples of these unverified ...and FANTASTIC claims .. which obviously have no basis in real fact... that exist from my obviously page worn socialist field guide MK3 1961....

Should be easy for a Maestro of analytical thinking...

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by SavageHenry
By reading your sig... can I assume you like it bareback with no lube?

You've said some good stuff bro, so I don't want to see you go, but ATS isn't cool with those kinds of attacks.

It is not an attack...A wise ass crack.... sure

His signature says exactly that...

Alxandro's Signature
Conservatively or Liberally?
How you YOU apply the Political K. Y.?

That is WIDE open for comment...

I mean at least he is proving that "libs" are at least smart when it comes to anal buggery, as they use lots of lube...


I like words...







[edit on 10-3-2008 by SavageHenry]

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by SavageHenry

That is the hard part... Sure Iran has centrifuges... however they do not have enough (the building that we make our weapons grade stuff is covers about 75 acres!!!),

A part of their saber rattling has been that they reached 3000 centrifuges which are considered enough to get weapons grade uranium within a year for one bomb. They further boast that they are continuing to build centrifuges until they reach 50,000.

How true this is only they know…

I understand what you are saying... however uncomfortable it makes you feel, they are within their legal limits for doing this...

As long as inspections are still allowed to inspect...

What can you do?...

If you were Iran... wouldn't you want to remain sovereign? self sufficient??

Look at how America deals with anyone even remotely attempting to pass judgment on its actions!

I cannot remember the last war of aggression initiated by Iran... subterfuge, black ops ... and the like sure..

However who the hell are we to point fingers and toss stones when it comes to that..?????!!!!!

And as long as IRAN follows the NNPT that they signed.. there is not much we can seriously do legally...

What are we going to do about it??? Bomb them? Invade as we did in Iraq??

Are we as American citizens going to just roll over and fall for another WMD line so SOON??

Do we really think we can fix Iran this way??

Let it be known that the people of Iran are not all that hot about their government, and are sympathetic to our culture... however.. it is still their country, and when they rise up to defend it from a foreign invader... once again are we going to call them "Terrists"

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Were they not offered light water reactors in exchange for stopping their centrifuge production?

Sure they were...

However this brings up the sovereign issue once again... Who are we to tell them what to do??

Would they be given the same grace, if the roles were turned?

Would anyone in the world???

What they are doing --- as long as it is at the legal levels for enrichment.. Is legal.

Meanwhile India does not even sign the NNPT ... They built atomic weapons..

.. And now we give them nuclear technologies... in exchange for Mangos...


For the record.. I do not want ANYONE to have ANY Nuclear weapons...

However...


[edit on 10-3-2008 by SavageHenry]

reply to post by Sky watcher
It's one thing to defend yourself, but when you're the aggressor and instigating the fights, you should have no claim to self-defense. It's simply a matter of you're being a sore loser. In other words, they shouldn't pick fights they have no chance of winning.

Originally posted by LLoyd45
reply to post by Sky watcher

 

It's one thing to defend yourself, but when you're the aggressor and instigating the fights, you should have no claim to self-defense. It's simply a matter of you're being a sore loser. In other words, they shouldn't pick fights they have no chance of winning.

THEY are not picking fights. The AMERICAN GOVERNMENT is picking fights.

[edit on 10-3-2008 by iceofspades]