It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Workers Win Fight For Living Wage, Then Lose Jobs

page: 6
28
<< 3  4  5    7  8  9 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:46 PM
link   
reply to post by NavyDoc
 



The sad thing, is that people demand more government action from the same government that makes business harder in the US so jobs are outsourced where the business climate is much friendlier.

YES!!!
THAT IS the 'sad thing'.
Perhaps you might click back to see my other posts in the thread.

I still want to know how much Norwegians working at McDonald's earn.

Like I said, the global corps screw us all both coming and going. THEY are evading taxes using off-shore havens, and not paying their employees a livable wage; and WE, the taxpayers, are subsidizing those very same cheap-skate corporations who are evading taxes by off-shoring their profits by providing 'welfare' to those EMPLOYEES who don't earn enough to live on.

Do you not see how this works???


edit on 1/16/14 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:47 PM
link   

MysterX
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


Scenario...Man or Woman has well paid job for years...have family, buy the house, payments on the car, furniture, college fund, and all the rest of the stuff people pay out for...business closes, Man or Woman out of work, family to feed and educate, medical to buy...and all the rest.

It's really patronising of you to paint everyone on a low wage with the same brush mate, it's even more so, expecting them to work for peanuts when the business they're working for is swimming in profits.

And yeah, most people are screwed often enough to know where babies come from.



You think such a successful person is going to be content to flip burgers if they lose one well paid job or do you think they are going to become the manager of the McDonalds after working their ass off and learning the business? Those screaming for a "living wage" for unskilled minimum wage jobs are not the riches to rags types...they are the ones who never aspired to more than flipping burgers. A successful person like you described above will raise themselves up without the government's help.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:51 PM
link   

wildtimes
reply to post by NavyDoc
 



The sad thing, is that people demand more government action from the same government that makes business harder in the US so jobs are outsourced where the business climate is much friendlier.

YES!!!
THAT IS the 'sad thing'.
Perhaps you might click back to see my other posts in the thread.

I still want to know how much Norwegians working at McDonald's earn.

Like I said, the global corps screw us all both coming and going. THEY are evading taxes using off-shore havens, and not paying their employees a livable wage; and WE, the taxpayers, are subsidizing those very same cheap-skate corporations who are evading taxes by off-shoring their profits, because their EMPLOYEES don't earn enough to live on.

Do you not see how this works???



I do see how it works, but I'm afraid you do not understand economics. Not every job is supposed to be one that you can support a family on. An entry level job is just that--an entry level job. Flipping a burger is a task that does not require much skill and is for a kid who is trying to learn how to be in the workforce. The hardest skill to find in the minimum wage world is finding people who will actually show up on time.

I tell you what. Why not pay every minimum wage worker $500 an hour. Then they can not only afford to feed their families, they could afford a Porsche.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:52 PM
link   

HanzHenry
IF the rich don't want to pay a living wage. FINE,

don't let THEM make ANY profit..

And next hopefully people will find ways to destroy them. When 10 hungry unemployed people KNOW the rich guy has food. Hopefully they will take the rich out.

If everyone cant be rich then die fighting and making sure NOONE is.


Interesting perspective...so no one succeeds just everyone fails...

I've always wondered WHY it is that people who abhor the wealthy would rather spend so much of their time, energy, and effort trying to destroy the rich and bring people down instead up just refocusing that same time, energy and effort into making themselves wealthy...

For those struggling with the concept of wealth I recommend a simple book called "Rich Dad Poor Dad" By: Robert Kiyosaki

Might change some disheartening perspectives some people have...

Another great book if you like long reads is "Atlas Shrugged"....

I don't expect people to actually read these books though...their dead set on their opinion and point of view on the subject because they already ARENT reading books like these.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:53 PM
link   

oblvion
reply to post by peck420
 


Please elaborate.

So how was I inaccurate in the slightest?

Answer one question, and I will consider whether I wish to waste my time...or not.

Who determines employee wages?



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:56 PM
link   
reply to post by wildtimes
 


I have my own conspiracy about what corps are up to. I believe that secretly they want socialism so they don't have to be responsible. What few workers are left, will be picking up the hole tab for that because they can't afford tax attorneys.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 01:57 PM
link   
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


You talk in generalities and don't address specifics.

Do you think it's right that here in the UK, in the early 1980's i was also working unskilled jobs, but earning THEN as much as these poeple are (actually were) NOW?

Why won't you address that?

People can work unskilled jobs, or undesirable jobs and still earn a relatively fair wage..not all reasonably paid jobs are highly skilled or technical, or require management status you know.

Besides, you assume there's any other jobs for our hypothetical Man or Woman to choose amongst...with thousands chasing the same jobs, people sometimes have to settle for what they can get, and keep an eye out to move along if something better presents itself.

In the real world, It is certainly not as simple as you seem to think it is.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:01 PM
link   
reply to post by NavyDoc
 



I do see how it works, but I'm afraid you do not understand economics. Not every job is supposed to be one that you can support a family on.


Calm your fears.
I DO understand economics.

The point is that those well-paying jobs were OUTSOURCED, OFF-SHORED, and professionals were let go:

a lot of people were suddenly out of work because of it.

Their only opportunity is to flip burgers!! Or go on unemployment, until it runs out....and then go on welfare.....
while the corporations rake in the dough, pay their CEO millions, hide their profits overseas, avoid taxes.....and lobby Congress to cut assistance and unemployment....


maybe you don't see how it works.
Those global corps are cheating, both ways -
and we "normal, regular, college educated" people are suffering because of it!!

I worked in the non-profit sector for a while. It blew my mind when they had the "United Way Fund Drive" to get us to sign up for voluntary donations out of our paychecks - our measly paychecks (we're talking barely over $10/hour, and we were MASTERS LEVEL professionals) - when the UNITED FUND was what was subsidizing the non-profit to being with!!

I declined to 'contribute' - seeing as how my own salary was coming from the same 'org' that wanted me to give them a chunk of my money back to them.


I have to log off now.
Sorry if I've offended anyone. I am passionate about this, though. The disenfranchised have every viable reason to complain. My husband and I had to use ALL of our savings when his job was out-sourced, TWICE.

Gha.

Have a good night, all.

edit on 1/16/14 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:07 PM
link   
reply to post by wildtimes
 


So...long story short, a US citizen has more intrinsic value then any other.

That is hardly a welcome attitude from a person attempting to espouse the unfairness of it all...



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:07 PM
link   
reply to post by NavyDoc
 





I tell you what. Why not pay every minimum wage worker $500 an hour. Then they can not only afford to feed their families, they could afford a Porsche.


Wow...!

If a blinkered, arrogant viewpoint was a commodity, you'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

Point made, i'm out of here..way too much BS to handle.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:12 PM
link   

MysterX
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


You talk in generalities and don't address specifics.

Do you think it's right that here in the UK, in the early 1980's i was also working unskilled jobs, but earning THEN as much as these poeple are (actually were) NOW?

Why won't you address that?

People can work unskilled jobs, or undesirable jobs and still earn a relatively fair wage..not all reasonably paid jobs are highly skilled or technical, or require management status you know.

Besides, you assume there's any other jobs for our hypothetical Man or Woman to choose amongst...with thousands chasing the same jobs, people sometimes have to settle for what they can get, and keep an eye out to move along if something better presents itself.

In the real world, It is certainly not as simple as you seem to think it is.



Very simple: those jobs are not worth that pay scale at this time. You used to pick up gold balls by hand--now most golf courses use machines to pick up the golf balls. I'm guessing that if you lived around 1900 you'd demand that the government force the buggy manufacturers to stay open even if people stopped buying buggies because they wanted cars. Jobs and what they are worth are not static. What is well paying at one point in time may not be well paying at another point in time. In the real world, it is hard to keep jobs filled with people who are willing to show up on time and sober.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:14 PM
link   
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


This what caused the whole scenario we now find ourselves in.

No middle class, Walmart buys Chinese to maintain prices and profits.

This is simple to see, I just know one thing for sure, if wages stay stagnant for more than 2-5 more years, inflation alone will price the lowest 1/4 out of the economy completely.

Bye bye mcdonalds, and all those crappy, yet paying jobs....etc.

This is an endless spiral down, unless either no new illegals come in( not likely), we attract well paying manufacturing jobs back home( not likely) or the corporations start paying more to their low wage workers( not likely)......

Either something will give or our country is doomed, there is no other way around it.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:16 PM
link   
reply to post by peck420
 



So...long story short, a US citizen has more intrinsic value then any other.

I never said that, nor do I think it.

I never said that!! I was talking about how rough it is in the countries from where the immigrants come, and how they are infinitely better off here than they were in their home countries - else, why would they have risked life and limb to come here?????

I've worked with, hired, worked on behalf of, worked among, and physically lived (for years now!) alongside immigrants from south of the border and out in the Atlantic (a variety of nations); they are clean, decent, family-oriented people. Kind, humble, respectful, and appreciative; hard-working and caring for their kids, or trying to send some money back home to help starving family members.

Kindly do NOT put words into my mouth; nor write "cliff's notes" on my behalf.

Long story short:
you don't have any idea what you're talking about, and even less an idea of what I am saying.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:19 PM
link   
reply to post by wildtimes
 


I see it, and it sickens me to no end, I don't understand how anyone can support this business model in spite of its obvious problems.

Sorry I have to go puke now.......



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:22 PM
link   
reply to post by Sly1one
 


Read atlas shrugged, still hold my position, had a A in English lit was a grate time actually, loved it.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:25 PM
link   
reply to post by peck420
 


The answer you seek is " the market".

This concept went out the widow when the .gov allowed and encouraged 17,000,000 low paid workers to flood the marketplace.

Nice try though.

Now can we speak in actual reality, not some long lost day that is as far gone as the middle classes place in the marketplace?



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:26 PM
link   

wildtimes
reply to post by peck420
 



So...long story short, a US citizen has more intrinsic value then any other.

I never said that, nor do I think it.

I never said that!! I was talking about how rough it is in the countries from where the immigrants come, and how they are infinitely better off here than they were in their home countries - else, why would they have risked life and limb to come here?????

I've worked with, hired, worked on behalf of, worked among, and physically lived (for years now!) alongside immigrants from south of the border and out in the Atlantic (a variety of nations); they are clean, decent, family-oriented people. Kind, humble, respectful, and appreciative; hard-working and caring for their kids, or trying to send some money back home to help starving family members.

Kindly do NOT put words into my mouth; nor write "cliff's notes" on my behalf.

Long story short:
you don't have any idea what you're talking about, and even less an idea of what I am saying.

Oh I'm sorry...did I offend you?

The world has become a global market place, billions of people have seen massive increases in their standard of living, and all you got is a woe-is-me story about having it a little rough.

Your worst day ever is far better then hundreds of millions of peoples best day ever.

That is a good thing.

Undoing all of that to placate the poor under valued US employee is a joke.

You want everything to go back top the 'good old days'.

Fine, then at least be honest about it. You want hundreds to go back to starvation and abject poverty so that you, individually, can impress the Jone's around you with your material worth.

That is a pretty blatantly stating that a US citizen has more intrinsic value then anybody else.

How you wish to deceive yourself is of no consequence to me, but save the BS for the internal dialogue.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:32 PM
link   

oblvion
reply to post by peck420
 


The answer you seek is " the market".

This concept went out the widow when the .gov allowed and encouraged 17,000,000 low paid workers to flood the marketplace.

Nice try though.

Now can we speak in actual reality, not some long lost day that is as far gone as the middle classes place in the marketplace?


And, you have made it apparent that it is not worth wasting my time.

I would have thought otherwise if you had stopped at the answer, which is correct.

But, then you had to follow up with another inaccuracy...and that just doesn't make it worth it.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:37 PM
link   
reply to post by peck420
 


Um I thought it was obvious he was saying, the rich don't have more intrinsic value than the poor worker, and that they should simply stop paying slave wages to their employees so that in America, where the cost of living is very high, one shouldn't be paid like a worker in china, where the cost of living is low, and be expected not to complain about his stipend being to miniscule.


Was obvious to me, don't see how you missed it.

Your either dim or intentionally obtuse, time will tell which.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:44 PM
link   
reply to post by peck420
 


The world has become a global market place, billions of people have seen massive increases in their standard of living, and all you got is a woe-is-me story about having it a little rough.

Your worst day ever is far better then hundreds of millions of peoples best day ever.

That's what I JUST SAID!


Undoing all of that to placate the poor under valued US employee is a joke.

WHAT?!!


You want everything to go back top the 'good old days'.
What "good old days"? "


Fine, then at least be honest about it. You want hundreds to go back to starvation and abject poverty so that you, individually, can impress the Jone's around you with your material worth.

I have NO IDEA how you came to that conclusion. It is the ANTITHESIS of what I am saying, or have ever said!!!!



What?!



new topics

top topics



 
28
<< 3  4  5    7  8  9 >>

log in

join