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Workers Win Fight For Living Wage, Then Lose Jobs

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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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peck420

oblvion
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The answer you seek is " the market".

This concept went out the widow when the .gov allowed and encouraged 17,000,000 low paid workers to flood the marketplace.

Nice try though.

Now can we speak in actual reality, not some long lost day that is as far gone as the middle classes place in the marketplace?


And, you have made it apparent that it is not worth wasting my time.

I would have thought otherwise if you had stopped at the answer, which is correct.

But, then you had to follow up with another inaccuracy...and that just doesn't make it worth it.


By your words the market decides these things.

Flood the market with anything at all and what happens to its value?

Please save your assumption of economics for those that don't understand it.

You won't address my points because they are right on on all points and contrary to your assumed position.

You don't want to get into a mental duel about economics with me, your obviously lacking in understanding of the overall effects of multiple factors at once on was at one time a brilliantly dynamic system of prosperity for all wiling to work, turned profit engine for those at the helm.

In short, your drinking the cool aid.

Bigfatfurrytexan probably knows more about econ than most I have seen on these boards, but even he will admit I make several very valid yet disturbing points about our current state of affairs.

If you refuse to admit this, or address them, it is because you either know your position is faulty, or you lack understanding of how this all really works.




posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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Wild times, I think you rival BFFT in your understanding of economics( btw we rarely agree abut econ, but his understanding is most impressive, as it comes from experience not theory like most. In matters econ related, I hold BFFT in the highest reguard, and hope to turn his intellect to the common good and not the good of the already rich at some point, long hard road, but I am trying).

I don't think the guy your talking to even understands the simple concept that workers are less productive when not paid well vs very productive when paid well.

He must come from money, and see all those " little workers as insect like assets, and not actual people like himself". That or he was hit in the head very hard as a kid several times, not sure yet. I just know simple concepts like tax payers paying corporate profits seems to escape him somehow ....astonishing I know!!!
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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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If the restaurant closed and they lost jobs, it's hardly retaliation.

If the restaurant had of fired them, then rehired other workers at lower rates, that would have been retaliation.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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MOMof3
I have my own conspiracy about what corps are up to. I believe that secretly they want socialism so they don't have to be responsible. What few workers are left, will be picking up the hole tab for that because they can't afford tax attorneys.

There is a MASSIVE amount of evidence that says you absolutely 100% correct...

Just like everything else in life, communism is NOT what it appears to be.


‘If you think the SNAP food stamps debate is about poor people’s need to eat, you’re wrong. It’s about big corporations’ need to profit. “Xerox, JPMorgan Chase and eFunds Corporation have all successfully turned poverty into a profit center.” So have Coca Cola, Kroger, Wal-Mart, Kelloggs and a large slice of the rest of the Fortune 500 corporations.

“Discussions about government spending are inherently bogus because the elephant in the room, big business, is absent.”

The federal and state governments operate under a system which is of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations.

“Every policy decision in state capitols and Washington DC is made with the needs of big business in mind.”

Food Stamp Corporate Welfare, ‘Poverty is Good for Business’

Communism is not a movement to help the downtrodden people of the world, but Communism is actually being run today by capitalists, the very people who control the wealth of the world that Communism is supposedly fighting against. Very few Americans know that Karl Marx was a correspondent and political analyst for Horace Greeley who controlled and managed the New York Times newspaper.

The Illuminati going to America

JP Morgan is the largest processor of food stamp benefits in the United States. JP Morgan has contracted to provide food stamp debit cards in 26 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. JP Morgan is paid for each case that it handles, so that means that the more Americans that go on food stamps, the more profits JP Morgan makes. Yes, you read that correctly. When the number of Americans on food stamps goes up, JP Morgan makes more money.

Food Stamps & JP Morgan

Communism is a monopoly over everything, including thought, enforced by the "State." The "State" is a front for the Illuminati Jewish central bankers who own its debt. Anything that increases "State" power is Communist. World government will take this to the next level. Most people think Communism is an ideology dedicated to championing workers and the poor.

This was an incredibly successful ruse which manipulated millions. Behind this artifice, "Communism" is devoted to concentrating all wealth and power in the hands of the central banking cartel (the Rothschilds and their allies) by disguising it as State power.

What is "Communism" ?

The real motive behind Communism is not to distribute the world equally, but the Communist Party is just a front for the super-rich as an instrument for gaining and using power. It is not the Communists that run Communism. There is yet another controlling power behind Communism. Communism and socialism are just arms of the more devilish conspiracy working behind the public eye that is not being run from Moscow or Peking, but from New York, Paris and London.

These are very serious and dangerous times. This is a very serious and dangerous movement that has been working politically and socially since the French Revolution to destroy the world.

'Pandora's Box - The Ultimate "Unseen Hand" Behind the New World Order

Komov believes that if you “dig deep enough into the ideological roots of these socialist movements, you end up finding satanic roots in them.” And although only a softer version is prevalent now, “it is still very dangerous,” he says. “I would warn all those people fascinated by socialist ideas that they have never worked in human history — never worked.” Alexey Komov

Roots of Socialism
Evil Roots Of Socialism




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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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I hate your face, for smacking me across mine with the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 03:55 PM
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You're pretty much right on target.

It spells out the Marxist/Corporatist agenda.


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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 04:03 PM
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oblvion
I hate your face, for smacking me across mine with the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL...


Truth is not always a pleasant thing...



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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xuenchen
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Your pretty much right on target.

It spells out the Marxist/Corporatist agenda.



Does it make you sick in your soul that both of these lead down the same road, ending in " them" winning no matter what we choose?

I choose option 3 no winners, at least " they" will lose, since I can't win.

Sad face for humanity, I am wearing it now.............



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 04:20 PM
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Murgatroid

oblvion
I hate your face, for smacking me across mine with the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL...


Truth is not always a pleasant thing...


" truth is rarely a pleasant thing, especially in these troubled times!"- Mark Aaron White


Don't bother looking up the quote, it is mine.

God/s take me now, why prolong the suffering for no reason?



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 04:26 PM
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I believe that ultimately, if you step back and look at the big picture, it looks something like this:



Is it not possible that the man and the dog actually ARE working together?


The ruling class behaves much like a spoiled child, if they don’t get to have everything their way all of the time, they throw this massive temper tantrum and threaten to upset the whole game. They have gotten their way in everything for so long that they have fallen under the spell of their own propaganda. They believe that we are sub-human animals, who should be herded into the best outcome possible. But, have the rest of us begun to accept this as well?

As members of the human herd, most of us recoil at the “bovinian” suggestion, but consider just how much we do behave like a herd. We willingly accept being treated like a herd, trusting our lives to politicians because we appreciate not having to make hard decisions for ourselves, being contented as cows, as our leaders and their hired hands drive us down a path to destruction, for the sake of them making a few dollars more in profit.

Are We Really Cattle?

I've often said that 72 hours after EBT cards stop working, every U.S. city will collapse into chaos. And that's true. Without EBT cards, millions of Americans have no way to feed themselves. They depend entirely on government just to put food on the table. So when that government fails them, they panic.

This is why I have long held that the day America collapses into chaos is the day when EBT cards go offline and stay offline for 72 hours. Technically, that's three days, of course, but you get my point. The day the U.S. government collapses in default is fast approaching.

Because an exponential rise in debt cannot be sustained, at some point the U.S. government will simply collapse into financial default. Soon after, Martial Law will have to be declared in every major U.S. city to quell the riots. Imagine 50 million Americans going hungry and realizing their welfare food credits aren't going to be available anymore and you begin to get an idea of why cities will be nearly impossible to survive when the chaos hits. Many people now believe the U.S. is headed for a similar outcome, and that such an outcome can happen virtually overnight. The crash of EBT cards could be the tumbling domino that sets this into action.

THE TRUTH about EBT SYSTEM / FOOD STAMPS SHUTDOWN




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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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I worked for a small company with 300 employees. The lowest paying jobs were $8 an hour. The company was purchased by a fortune 500 company. We voted the union in it was a 100% yes vote. After we negotiated a contract every person in the company got a raise. I went from $8 an hour to $16. The lowest paying wage after voting the union in was $12 an hour. The union made the company open their books and show us the profits. On top of all of the raises and after all the over head they were still making $20 million a year. We also had it in our contract that the company had to buy every employee a new home computer. We also got more vacation time and profit sharing. The company also had to match our 401k's and put $1000 a year into it.

I guess all unions suck.

The judge or arbitrator in the op's story had to of known what the casino's profits were. I have a hard time believing that she would order the raises if it was going to bankrupt the casino. I'm guessing that the owner or owners closed it out of spite and will re open under a different name.
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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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People need to quit being so damn greedy. If you don't like what you are getting paid, find another job.....It's pretty simple.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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You're probably right, but it's impossible to say unless you know how much the business was making.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 06:51 PM
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3u40r15m
People need to quit being so damn greedy. If you don't like what you are getting paid, find another job.....It's pretty simple.


i guess ill take yours then considering there dont seem to be many that arent filled
and i can almost guarantee ill be doing it better than you are after a couple months experience hell ill even do it for 5% less
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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 07:14 PM
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While that is true to some degree. It is also true that you have fresh college grads every year and their aren't enough positions for the most part to get hired or the positions required, require years of experience. Take for instance myself. I graduated about a year and half ago with a degree in Computer Graphics Technology. I can code, but my specialty is illustration and logo design in illustrator/photoshop as well as video editing. I can also do CAD design. I've been looking for a job pretty much that entire time. I've had one interview for a CAD job during that time and I didn't get it and I'm a highly capable worker who is more then willing to work. I can do lots of other stuff too which could certainly be marketable skills. I'm excellent with my hands and building things. My point is, it's not always people that have lost their job that are older, trying to get by with a high school job like McDonalds. Some, nay, many of those fast food workers are highly qualified college grads that just can't find work which is better, either because it's not their or because they don't have enough experience to be qualified. Thankfully, even though I don't have a job "in my field" I at least have a job I can barely get by with that pays me about 12 an hour to do IT helpdesk work over the phone. It's not just lazy people that work fast food. Sometimes it's just desperate people with no other source of legal income.
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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 07:20 PM
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Did you get "a A in English" or "an A in English"?

Did you "have a grate time" or "a great time"?


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posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 07:43 PM
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oblvion
Company makes 5,000,000 in profits, that is net not gross, but only pays 1.5 million in pay role out, this is a travesty, and the root cause of the decline in America.

The guy doing nothing, NOTHING to make or sell his companies goods or services is making and keeping all the gains.


And they then take that money and reinvest into the company or other ventures; along with placing it in the bank. Is finance no longer required in high-school?

Lets say for example that in 2012 their profit was 5,000,000 but in 2013 they took heavy losses due to the guys who "do nothing" making poor decisions. Those loses are covered by their liquid assets (such as the previous year's profits) to cover those loses and maintain their credit worthiness, their trust in their shareholders, their ability to move forward and possible retool their business model. It isn't as if they take the 5 mil and swim in it like Uncle Scrooge.

Hint: Cash on hand is a valuable selling point for companies. Those that don't have it, probably will eventually fail because they are siphoning money off their normal profits to cover losses incurred.


At any store, the guy producing the goods stocking the shelves and selling them behind the counter is doing every piece of production and labor that makes every single dollar possible, but are bringing home next to none of the profits of the company.


And those that make the decisions do what? Oh that is right, swim in the money. It is only the little guy according to you that "makes the business". Never mind the decisions on where to expand, where to contract, what to sell, what to get rid of, what technologies to upgrade, buy capital, decide to hire or fire, open a new location, what vendors to utilize, etc, etc. They do nothing...



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 08:39 PM
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"That is the reason why there must be uniform laws, at least when it comes to lower wages, otherwise there will always be some company who will start lowering the price of their products via exploiting their employees, which eventually leads to gaining signifcant market advantage compared to opponents, who pay their employees fairly. If even one company wants to do the right thing, they can´t because it would give their market share to opponents, who keep their prices lower by paying less to employees".


This sounds suspiciously like: from each according to his ability to each according to his need, comrade. It didn't work, it's a bankrupt notion. Centralized control of nearly everything is the only way to make all the moving parts achieve uniformity. Is that really what you want? Think trough the consequences before you advocate legislating away your freedoms, uniform laws indeed.



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 08:48 PM
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Now you know why they have "billions" of dollars in assets! plus, the organ warmers that used to have jobs had a "union" that negotiated for them. i pretty sure the union scum still have they're jobs
unions - built the space shuttle, unions - own the government, unions - built the USA, i rest my case !



posted on Jan, 16 2014 @ 09:01 PM
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I wouldn´t say setting higher minimum wage is an extreme intervention or even has anything to do with socialism. I am not promoting full-scale equality, just a fair wage. If the company earns millions of profit and pays the CEO high salary, not a single employee should earn under living wage, as the profits come at the expense of the employees, not innovation, not good products, but low-paid employees. I prefer companies where employees are considered as people, people with families, not some tools for enabling higher profits.

For example, let us take a company with 100 employees. Instead of paying the CEO 4m a year and everybody else 20k a year, I would prefer the situation of everybody receiving 50k and CEO 1m a year, although even that is too high salary in my eyes. The CEO still earns extreme salary, at least now employees earn fair wage. Hard-work is still rewarded...



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