It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
The sad thing, is that people demand more government action from the same government that makes business harder in the US so jobs are outsourced where the business climate is much friendlier.
MysterX
reply to post by NavyDoc
Scenario...Man or Woman has well paid job for years...have family, buy the house, payments on the car, furniture, college fund, and all the rest of the stuff people pay out for...business closes, Man or Woman out of work, family to feed and educate, medical to buy...and all the rest.
It's really patronising of you to paint everyone on a low wage with the same brush mate, it's even more so, expecting them to work for peanuts when the business they're working for is swimming in profits.
And yeah, most people are screwed often enough to know where babies come from.
wildtimes
reply to post by NavyDoc
The sad thing, is that people demand more government action from the same government that makes business harder in the US so jobs are outsourced where the business climate is much friendlier.
YES!!!
THAT IS the 'sad thing'.
Perhaps you might click back to see my other posts in the thread.
I still want to know how much Norwegians working at McDonald's earn.
Like I said, the global corps screw us all both coming and going. THEY are evading taxes using off-shore havens, and not paying their employees a livable wage; and WE, the taxpayers, are subsidizing those very same cheap-skate corporations who are evading taxes by off-shoring their profits, because their EMPLOYEES don't earn enough to live on.
Do you not see how this works???
HanzHenry
IF the rich don't want to pay a living wage. FINE,
don't let THEM make ANY profit..
And next hopefully people will find ways to destroy them. When 10 hungry unemployed people KNOW the rich guy has food. Hopefully they will take the rich out.
If everyone cant be rich then die fighting and making sure NOONE is.
oblvion
reply to post by peck420
Please elaborate.
So how was I inaccurate in the slightest?
I do see how it works, but I'm afraid you do not understand economics. Not every job is supposed to be one that you can support a family on.
I tell you what. Why not pay every minimum wage worker $500 an hour. Then they can not only afford to feed their families, they could afford a Porsche.
MysterX
reply to post by NavyDoc
You talk in generalities and don't address specifics.
Do you think it's right that here in the UK, in the early 1980's i was also working unskilled jobs, but earning THEN as much as these poeple are (actually were) NOW?
Why won't you address that?
People can work unskilled jobs, or undesirable jobs and still earn a relatively fair wage..not all reasonably paid jobs are highly skilled or technical, or require management status you know.
Besides, you assume there's any other jobs for our hypothetical Man or Woman to choose amongst...with thousands chasing the same jobs, people sometimes have to settle for what they can get, and keep an eye out to move along if something better presents itself.
In the real world, It is certainly not as simple as you seem to think it is.
So...long story short, a US citizen has more intrinsic value then any other.
wildtimes
reply to post by peck420
So...long story short, a US citizen has more intrinsic value then any other.
I never said that, nor do I think it.
I never said that!! I was talking about how rough it is in the countries from where the immigrants come, and how they are infinitely better off here than they were in their home countries - else, why would they have risked life and limb to come here?????
I've worked with, hired, worked on behalf of, worked among, and physically lived (for years now!) alongside immigrants from south of the border and out in the Atlantic (a variety of nations); they are clean, decent, family-oriented people. Kind, humble, respectful, and appreciative; hard-working and caring for their kids, or trying to send some money back home to help starving family members.
Kindly do NOT put words into my mouth; nor write "cliff's notes" on my behalf.
Long story short:
you don't have any idea what you're talking about, and even less an idea of what I am saying.
oblvion
reply to post by peck420
The answer you seek is " the market".
This concept went out the widow when the .gov allowed and encouraged 17,000,000 low paid workers to flood the marketplace.
Nice try though.
Now can we speak in actual reality, not some long lost day that is as far gone as the middle classes place in the marketplace?
The world has become a global market place, billions of people have seen massive increases in their standard of living, and all you got is a woe-is-me story about having it a little rough.
Your worst day ever is far better then hundreds of millions of peoples best day ever.
Undoing all of that to placate the poor under valued US employee is a joke.
What "good old days"? "
You want everything to go back top the 'good old days'.
Fine, then at least be honest about it. You want hundreds to go back to starvation and abject poverty so that you, individually, can impress the Jone's around you with your material worth.