reply to post by charles1952
Hi Charles 1952--
“The difficulty comes about when people, of any religion, say "I must kill you, because my religion demands it."
The Religion isn't the problem, it's the acts which are committed.”
I’m afraid the issue is far more nuanced than that – for religious 'actions' are based on 'religious' commands found in 'religious' books -
especially when monotheistic religions are based on ‘Books of hate and intolerance of The Other’ such as we see in the Q’uran and in the Hebrew
& Christian ‘Bibles’
Here are some key passages from the so-called ‘holy Torah’ (the absolute CORE of Rabinninc Judaeism) which demands racial genocide & refer to the
Heb. Term CH-R-M = to ‘mark for extermination’ in the context of a Holy War where a specific group is targeted for genocide) of Palestinian
Canaanite amphyctionies and also re: “divine commands” to exterminate Amalekites as especially ‘marked for extermination’ as if they were
wearing orange stars on their lapels ..
For those who believe the Torah as the 'infallible word of YHWH the clan god of Yisro'el' (such as ultra right wing extremist Torah Abiding
religious Zionists (e.g. the Lubovichers) , or right wing extremist 'Pentacostal' Christians, to name just 2 ) their books demand 'action'
TORAH e.g. Exodus 17: 8-16
And YHWH said to Mosheh, Write this down as a Memorial on a Scroll & read it into the ears of Joshua son of Nun : Behold, I will Exterminate the Seed
(lit. ‘Remembrance’) of the Amalekites from Under the Heavens. Therefore Mosheh built an Altar to YHWH right there etc.
TORAH See Deuteronomy 7: 1-5
When YHWH your clan-god brings you to the land where you are .ed to take possession of it, and has cast out the goyim before you - Hittites, &
Girgazites, & Amorites, and the Canaanites & Perizzites, & Hivites, & Jebusites, 7 gentile nations that are more numerous & powerful that you are --
And when YHWH your clan god has delivered them, you shall utterly exterminate them all showing no mercy to them; neither will you make Treaties with
them nor enter into marriages with them – for they will turn your sons from following me & cause them to worship other clan gods – thus will the
anger of YHWH burn against you and destroy you without notice.
TORAH Deuteronomy 13: 12-17a
12 If you should hear a rumour in one of the towns which YHWH your clan god will give you to live in, saying ‘I heard certain evil men taking some
of the town out encouraging them to worship other foreign clan gods which you have not yet heard of, you shall set up an Inquiry and if the acusation
is proved true that such a ritual Toqebah (‘cultic abomination’) has taken place, you will utterly genocide all the inhabitants of that town,
utterly destroying the town and its inhabitants, down to the animals – then you will gather together all of their belongings and utterly burn the
lot in the town square – and not take any of it for yourself, and leave it a perpetual Ruin, never again to be rebuilt.
TORAH Deuteronomy 20: 10-18
This is the Rule of War for the Towns of the Goyim which YHWH your clan god shall give unto you and your sons as an Inheritance – You shall leave
nothing alive that breathes, but you shall utterly exterminate every one of them, namely the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the
Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; exactly as YHWH your clan god has commanded you, so that they will not be able to teach you all of their
peculiar ritual Toq’eboth (‘taboos’, ‘cultic abominations’) that they perform for their own clan gods, leading you into sin against YHWH
your clan god.
TORAH Deuteronomy 25:17-19
Now remember what Amalekites (lit. ‘Amalek’) did to you when you were sojourning out of the land of Mitzrayim : how they came upon you on the road
and attacked your rear guard, including the weakest ones in your camps, and how they showed no reverence for the Elohim (‘gods’) – it shall come
to pass that when the land you shall be given by your clan god YHWH is settled and becomes your Inheritance to possess, you shall utterly genocide the
Seed of Amalek (lit. ‘Remembrance’) from under heavens – you will never forget this.
Outside the Torah, references to ‘fulfillment of the Divine Commands to genocide’ the goyim e.g.Joshua & 1 Samuel, in the context of the (CH-R-M)
– the same marking-off of the Other ’ that we saw in the Nazi death camps based on their ‘Wodin-based’ religion)
See :Joshua 8:1-2, 8:23 & Joshua 10: 31-33 (ref the extermination of Lachish) & Joshua 10:34-35 (ref the genocide of Eglon) etc. Then read Joshua
10:40b where it states proudly
‘And Joshua utterly exterminated everything that breathed, leaving not a single soul alive, in accordance with the Command of YHWH…’
Can you see how your comments about the immunity of religion from genocidal hate might seem oversimplified?