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New report questions Israel's claim of "divine right"

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posted on May, 10 2013 @ 11:34 PM
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I think you will find that the ones he called out were the Pharisees whom some were actually Edomites as Herod was also an Edomite . These were Talmudic " Jews " so to speak . These were of the Synagogue of Satan .
But still God has his remnant who serve him . The Jews have always been disobedient to God . He knew this when he gave them the land . God has a plan to complete and it has the Jews in Israel with a rebuilt Temple . .It's going to happen by the will of God and the Jews will be dealt with as well as you and I will face God .. I can't fault you for opposing the Jews because God did put enmity between the Jew and Arab .




posted on May, 10 2013 @ 11:52 PM
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God does not put enmity between people. It is a false statement.

Spiritual knowledge is always transferred orally from teacher to student. This has been the tradition and a universal fact. Why do you believe the written word in the scriptures. Written word can easily be corrupted by the vain and the powerful.

Your assertions are based on something that is written in scriptures. But who wrote the scriptures. Man (ordinary human with all his faults). Did Jesus write the scriptures?

Humans have to get above brainwashing otherwise only truth is destruction and suffering.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:03 AM
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All middle eastern societies at the time of Jesus - Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, Jews, and european societies like Romans, Greek, Celts, Franks etc. were devil worshippers.

Let us not single out Jews for devil worship. Jews were like gypsies who just could not settle in one place as they faced persecution wherever they went. This is the reason why Jews are so smart in science, as this is the way they survived in a hostile world - through learning and education.

There is no argument that 'God will punish Jews' etc. God punishes every single soul that goes against His laws. And that includes every nation and every race.

There is no special tribulation for Christians. If bad times come, every human race will suffer.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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The enmity was because God chose Isaac to make his covenant with even though Ishmael was the first born . Ishmael was cast out when Sarah complained .

The Scriptures are all we have . You believe the Koran don't you ?



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:10 AM
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What axe are you grinding . Are you Muslim , Hindu or what ?



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 12:11 AM
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because God did put enmity between the Jew and Arab .


The enmity was because God chose Isaac to make his covenant with even though Ishmael was the first born .


What verse teaches that?
And don't confuse Israelite with "Jew".

If there indeed enmity between Jews and Arabs, then why would an Arab (Mohammad) teach that the Israelite prophets are to be revered?.... and that an Israelite man is the Messiah of the Arabs.

Islam recognizes that Allah favored the Israelites.

Indeed we gave the children of Israel the Book, and wisdom, and the prophecy, and we provided them with good things and favored them above all creation.
-Koran 45:16
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^ There are many more such verses.

What you don't seem to get is that Israelite prophets do not challenge Islamic belief. Muslims do not oppose the Bibles prophets, they accept them as being previous messengers of God.

As far as religion is concerned, its not exactly an Arab vs Israelite thing for the Muslims.
Only 2 or 3 prophets in Islam are Arab... pretty much every other prophet honored by Islam happen to be Israelite.


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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 03:51 AM
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I do not follow any religion that you know of.

Issue is not my religion. If you want to know God's laws or natural laws of the universe, I can tell you that.

We have an absolute crisis on earth today where 99% of earth population is in the category of sinners. This is absolutely unprecedented.

The earth is sitting on a volcano that is ready to erupt. The volcano has sent many signals before but earth humans have ignored every signal. It is too late now.

Your scriptures will not help, you can argue and counter-argue.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 04:13 AM
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People dont seem to know that many Jews were already in Israel. It wasnt as if it was a barren land only full of Palestinians . Yes , there were many immigrants of Jewish origin religiously and due to ancestry.

But native Israeli Jews were there. You cannot say they dont belong there and many of them were also Zionists.

People do not seem to understand Jews are not only connected via blood but also religion - in todays Israel thats how they are connected.
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posted on May, 11 2013 @ 10:38 AM
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Jews were in Palestine and many other countries as well.

It is not that Jews were only present in Palestine and nowhere else.

The origin of Israel lies with jewish beliefs and British empire that loved to take advantage of sectarians.

Jews could have very well lived in Palestine whereby Palestine could have been merged with Jordan or Syria.

Neither Palestine nor Lebanon have critical mass to be sustainable states. And we have this tiny state of Israel sandwiched between Arab nations that can be defended only with a massive amount of money and gross display of force.

These three states - Palestine, Israel and Lebanon are unnatural and unsustainable states.



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 11:45 AM
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We are grateful for your unbiased , unsubstanciated views based on your ideas . But we have other Ideas based in scripture .



posted on May, 11 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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You are an intelligent person and you are a seeker of truth. I appreciate your views.

It is very hard to understand truth in this world as relevant information is ruthlessly suppressed. The political structures have been erected on foundations of money and deceit.

The people who protect you are the people who deceive you.

I pray for you and wish you success in your endeavours.



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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Did I miss something ?



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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Intellect and intuition develops only when humans follow the laws of Creator (or laws of Creation).

The knowledge of truth is a very rare occurrence on earth now as people have gone astray. The only objective that remains is making money and gratifying the senses.

You will know when you reflect deeply what I am talking about.



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
The Antichrist will come to power over the world.


1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

So the bible here is telling you that there will NOT be a single antichrist. The Pontifex Maximus was an antichrist, but he was many men, not a single one, he is referred too as “the little horn” in Daniel 7.

Beasts are not antichrist's at all, only Jesuit Futurism teaches this. It clearly stated in the bible what the “beasts” are:

Daniel 7:23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth

The horns are “kings” and usually are shown as having “crowns”:

Daniel 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom.

John of Patomus wrote in the same prophetic style, using the same known symbols, as Daniel. So that means the Beasts are Countries, not men.

The last Beast is different then the others in that it:
1)Comes from the “land” instead of the Sea. That means it came from a sparse, unpopulated area.

Revelation 17:15 - And he said to me, The waters which you saw, where the whore sits, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues

2)The Beast from the land comes into existence not by overthrowing another government, but slowly grows into the beast.

to spring up gently, to grow quietly and steadily (like a plant).

3)It has the meek appearance of a lamb (usually a symbol for Christ), but in reality its deceptive and actually is a warlike Dragon. The US started off as a small, quite, isolationist, Christian country, and over time has become the most warlike nation on the planet since the Roman Empire.

4) Its based on the Roman Empire that is the beast before it. Our systems of Government, Law, our Bill of Rights, the fact that we are also a republic, heck Washington DC even used to be named “Rome, Maryland”. We are the New Roman Empire.

5) We are the first to “call fire out of the heavens in the presence of man”. We were the first to use atomic weapons on an enemy nation.

6) The “whole world wonders after us”, what the US does affects every single nation on the planet to such a point that foreigners have argued that they should have a right to vote in our elections due to the affect that we have on their countries.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
Every man free or bond will take the mark . This has not happened.

7) We are presently installing the “mark” world wide. As part of the 911 counter-terrorism bill the Patriot Act, we insisted that there be a National ID, and we bullied our allies into also installing a similar system. We heard Bush tell the nations of the world that you are”either with us, or with the terrorists”. Almost every single nation in the world has now installed a UN compliant International Civil Aviation Organization Biometric ID system and Passport system (the Real ID, E-Passport, Identity Documents by Country). Even though these cards may have different appearances the data is uniform and readable by every nation on the planet. Its the first time in history that there is one uniform world-wide biometric ID system.

BTW... Biometrics break your face, retina, and/or hand down into a unique set of numerical measurements, or the unique “number of a man”.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by SimonPeter
The Gospel was to be preached all over the world before the end .

The Gospel has been taught throughout the world, and has been for quite awhile. I would venture to say that there is no one on the planet who has not heard of Christianity, unless, they have been born in the jungle and raised by wolves.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
The Mark wsill control who buys , sells,and trades .

Try getting a job, opening a bank account, or tons of other things without a Real ID Drivers License. McCain is presently trying to push through a law that says it will be illegal to be employed in this country without a National ID card.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
With cash curriencies as we have now anyone can transact .

You cannot transact if you cannot earn money to begin with, or cash your paycheck. Try getting prescription drugs, cigarettes, or even an alcoholic drink without a valid Drivers License. This is still in-process and they are making more and more things require this ID to purchase.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
There is a global reserve called the SDR look it up .It is digital .Yes the technology does exist at this time in history but never before .

We don't need any others, we already have a world currency called the Fiat Dollar. Any others will most likely end up being nothing but a fad. Besides if you are trying to install something that some knows is clearly against the bible, one of the best things to do is make it always look like there is an even better candidate just over the horizon.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
Also Great Tribulation such as the world has never known doesn't mean hard times like we have now or in 1929 . The Black Plague of Europe the 2nd World War were much worse than 1929 yet the Great Tribulation will be much worse .

No, those are ALL PART of the tribulation. In the last 100 years we have had the first two World Wars in the history of the planet. Remember that Revelation is about the “Age of the Church” so all these things, that have been increasing and getting worse, are all part of the “end times”. You're still trying to put it into a 7 year period, but that is just not the proper way to interpret it.

In other words, don't think of the “tribulation” as a 7 year period (that is Catholic propaganda), instead think of it as a 2000 year “age”.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
Again if everything has happened to do with Jesus saving Israel and the thousand year reign , Armeggedon and the destruction of the world why are we still here ?

Some of what you mention has already happened, but you're misunderstanding it, some is misinterpreted on purpose by the very guys who want to hide their position in prophecy. Some of it has yet to happen, but will soon.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 08:26 PM
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I believe I understand what you are saying and I agree with you 100%...

Originally posted by GargIndia
It is very hard to understand truth in this world as relevant information is ruthlessly suppressed.
The political structures have been erected on foundations of money and deceit.
The people who protect you are the people who deceive you.


Originally posted by SimonPeter
Did I miss something ?

I believe that what he is trying to tell you is that this has all been a “frog in the boiling pot” deception by those who wish to “pretend” to be the “good guys” to deceive us into thinking that the way things are, is the proper way that God intended for them to be.

For example, we are taught to believe in the “American Dream”, but the truth is that the “American Dream” is really nothing more then Greed from Gods perspective. Capitalism is also Greed, and we use our armies to enforce it throughout the world on other countries. We do this because we want to allow our Capitalist Corporate American Masters to be able to exploit these weaker countries and bring them into our system of banking and usury while plundering their resources and exploiting their populations as slave labor.

So who would REALLY do this? God? A Christian country?
...Or...
Someone that is in fact an enemy of God, and diametrically opposed to what God's Will for the world is, but is pretending to be the “good guy”?

I'm pretty sure the Bible has some BAD things to say about being “worldly”, and yet what we as a people now teach, raise our kids on, and our government has spread throughout the world at the point of a sword is all ultimately “worldliness”...


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posted on May, 12 2013 @ 08:32 PM
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"Beasts are not antichrist's at all, only Jesuit Futurism teaches this. It clearly stated in the bible what the “beasts” are:
Daniel 7:23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth

The horns are “kings” and usually are shown as having “crowns”:
Daniel 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom.-"

I am not a scholar of Bible but this is my take:

First Beast - Roman Empire
Second Beast - Holy Roman Empire
Third Beast - British Empire
Fourth Beast - USA Empire



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by GargIndia
First Beast - Roman Empire
Second Beast - Holy Roman Empire
Third Beast - British Empire
Fourth Beast - USA Empire

Some are identified in the Bible itself, several of the others have been identified and accepted by all schools of interpretation, the last 2 are subjects of debate between the schools. They coincide with the levels of the statue from Nebuchadnezzar's dream.
Daniel 2:
1)Head of Gold = Babylon
2)Chest and arms of Silver = Media and Persia
3)Belly and thighs of bronze = Greece
4)Legs of Iron = Roman Empire
5)Feet of Clay and Iron = (there is much debate over this)
6)The Rock = Christ

Daniel 7:
1)Lion with Eagles wings = Babylon
2)Bear raised on one side = Media and Persia
3)Winged Leopard = Greece
4)Dreadful and terrible beast = The Roman Empire
4a) The “Little Horn” from beast 4 = The Holy Pontiff or Pontifex Maximus (obviously this is why the Roman Catholic Church tries to make this a “future” antichrist and obscure its meaning)

Revelation 13:
1)Beast from the Ocean made of the 4 beasts in Daniel = Rome
2)Beast (lamb) from the Land with no “kings” that rises after Rome is wounded = USA



posted on May, 12 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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God is represented in the ying yang. God is EVERYTHING. Both Good and Bad. In His image we were created, two separate beings when combined to create Life. When a man and WOman lay together combining to create Life.

To argue a "divine right" signifies and implies, that out of God and this balance to everything in and to Life, that there is now a separation. That out of all the races of Humans evolving and inhabiting this planet, that the Jews are superior by this "divine right."

So Jesus and Mohammed proclaimed to be messengers of God. Im not here to argue prophet or messiah, their job was to spread the word/gospel of what they were taught and shown and believed.

The Bible, (Jesus) use teaching from the Torah (5 books of Moses) to help explain the gospel of God/Jesus. However the Jewish view of Jesus is that he was not the Messiah.

Jesus
Jewish views Main article: Judaism's view of Jesus
See also: Jesus in the Talmud
Judaism rejects the idea of Jesus being God, or a person of a Trinity, or a mediator to God. Judaism also holds that Jesus is not the Messiah, arguing that he had not fulfilled the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh nor embodied the personal qualifications of the Messiah. According to Jewish tradition, there were no prophets after Malachi, who delivered his prophesies about 420 BC/BCE.[342]

The New Testament states that Jesus was criticized by the Jewish authorities of his time. The Pharisees and scribes criticized Jesus and his disciples for not observing the Mosaic Law, not washing their hands before eating (Mark 7:1–23, Matthew 15:1–20), and gathering grain on the Sabbath (esv). Jesus continued to be criticized by Judaism, and in the early 12th century, the Mishneh Torah (the last established consensus of the Jewish community) called Jesus a "stumbling block" who makes "the majority of the world err to serve a divinity besides God".

The Talmud includes stories which some consider accounts of Jesus in the Talmud, although there is a spectrum[343] from scholars, such as Maier (1978), who considers that only the accounts with the name Yeshu יֵשׁוּ refer to the Christian Jesus, and that these are late redactions, to scholars such as Klausner (1925), who suggested that accounts related to Jesus in the Talmud may contain traces of the historical Jesus. However the majority of contemporary historians disregard this material as providing information on the historical Jesus.[344] Many contemporary Talmud scholars view these as comments on the relationship between Judaism and Christianity or other sects, rather than comments on the historical Jesus.[345][346]

The Mishneh Torah, an authoritative work of Jewish law, provides the last established consensus view of the Jewish community, in Hilkhot Melakhim 11:10–12 that Jesus is a "stumbling block" who makes "the majority of the world err to serve a divinity besides God".[347] According to Conservative Judaism, Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah have "crossed the line out of the Jewish community".[348] Reform Judaism, the modern progressive movement, states "For us in the Jewish community anyone who claims that Jesus is their savior is no longer a Jew and is an apostate".[349]


The question then is why not believe then, that Jesus was the Messiah? To be fair, the last 2000 years would he a whole lot different.

Jesus did not fit the Messianic prophecies of Judaism.



Messianic prophecies in Judaism [edit]Main article: Jewish messianism
The following are the scriptural requirements in Judaism concerning the Messiah, his actions, and his reign. Jewish sources insist that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright. Some Christians maintain that some of these prophecies are associated with a putative second coming while Jewish scholars state there is no concept of a second coming in the Hebrew Bible.

The Sanhedrin will be re-established. (Isaiah 1:26)[115]
Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)[115]
The whole world will worship the One God of Israel. (Isaiah 2:17) [115][116]
Jews will return to full Torah observance and practice it.[115]
He will be descended from King David. (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8–10)[117]
The Messiah will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God". (Isaiah 11:2)[115]
Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership. (Isaiah 11:4)[115]
Knowledge of God will fill the world. (Isaiah 11:9)[115]
He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations. (Isaiah 11:10)[115]
All Israelites will be returned to the Land of Israel. (Isaiah 11:12)[115]
Death will be swallowed up forever. There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease. (Isaiah 25:8) [115]
All of the dead will rise again. According to the Zohar this will happen forty years after the arrival of the Messiah. (Isaiah 26:19) [115]
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posted on May, 12 2013 @ 09:00 PM
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The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness. (Isaiah 51:11)[115]
He will be a messenger of peace. (Isaiah 52:7) [115]
Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel. (Isaiah 52:13 – 53:5)[115]
The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance. (Zechariah 8:23)[115]
The ruined cities of Israel will be restored. (Ezekiel 16:55)[115]
Weapons of war will be destroyed. (Ezekiel 39:9) [115]
The Temple will be rebuilt. (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended 613 commandments.[115]
He will rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (Micah 4:1)[116][117]
He will gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel. (Isaiah 11:12, 27:12,13)[117]
He will bring world peace. (Isaiah 2:4, Isaiah 11:6, Micah 4:3)[116][117]
He will influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve one God. (Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9) [117]
He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together. (Zephaniah 3:9) [115]
He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart. (Psalms 37:4) [115]
He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful. (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13–15, Ezekiel 36:29,30, Isaiah 11:6–9)[115]


The Sanhedrin is the same council that condemned Jesus to murder.

Messianic prophecies in Judaism

The Qur'an accepts the teaching of Jesus as the word of God.



In Islam, Jesus (Arabic: عيسى‎ ʿĪsā) is considered to be a Messenger of God and the Masih (Messiah) who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl or Gospel.[350] The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. The Qur'an mentions Jesus twenty-five times, more often, by name, than Muhammad.[351][352]


If the chosen People had it right all along, why would God send Jesus and Mohammad to "guide he Children of Israel" only to have them martyred?

So if both the Qur'an agrees with the Bible and the Bible use scripture from the Torah, why then does Judaism deny Jesus and Mohommad?

I propose this theory.

The Messiah for the "chosen people" with divine right, was given this divine right by a fallen angel. That there Messiah is the embodiment of the Antichrist. The separation from God and those who did create us and that this "chosen race of Zionist" is trying to duplicate with their knowledge and advancements in science and technology to avoid the extinction brought on by Armageddon in the prophecies.

Humans were not directly created by God, but rather an Intelligent race(s) that exist on other planets. Because God is both Good and Evil, this will be represented in environments where Life exist. Without a consciously aware species to question their purpose in Life, things will slowly over time fluxuate in the flow of Life.

When consciousness is introduced to a species that has the capability of sustaining Life they need to have the capability and understanding to apply that consciousness to Life.

The Knowledge that we are all connected by God to the everything in Life and just like God our purpose is to be that balance. Not to cut ourselves off from that force thereby becoming Godlike.

So these Zionist with Divine right who are the chosen people of God, who want to cut themselves and the rest of us off from that Life force, who have kept this a secret for A millennium at least, for what purpose or who's greater good?

Does killing your own people, genetic manipulation, genocide, experimenting on humans, ritual sacrifice, murder of children, genetically modifying foods, in the name of greater good?

How do you define what is good?

Consciously being aware of your existence and defining that existence.

Consciousness, being aware of Life around you and defining it, is knowledge.

There are many different degrees and level of knowledge but one thing is certain, the only way to obtain knowledge is to learn new things. Regardless of right or wrong. The only way to define wrong as a mistake is to correct it.

Knowledge is Power. For THOUSANDS of years, the human species has been under control of this power because of the lack of Knowledge there is of this truth by who these theorist call ZIONIST who's agenda is for the prosperity of Israel and their chosen people.

God did not choose only them, an imposter posing as God chose these people. This is the Luciferian way of Life that the Zionist wish to have on this planet.

Who they worship is the embodiment of all that is evil in God. To become Gods themselves and create slaves by genetic manipulation, that the same "gods" did when the human spices was given consciousness.

They do have a claim for divine right but from my perspective that divinity is painted black with the color of darkness.
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