Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

Originally posted by turbonium1

Yes, "DEPENDING ON SHIELDING"

That can be said for all missions into deep space! So what?

so then, tell us again why an astronaut cannot go on a mission to the moon for 12 days? please provide proof and no speculation.

The experts don't know the real numbers, that's the problem.

so you mean, considering that nearly all deep space probes have sensitive equipment inside them, and considering that some earth orbit satellites need to be shut down from time to time from excessive radiation in the VA belt.

the experts who design deep space probes are using fake numbers... not just NASA but India, China, Russia and the european space agency they have all been using fake numbers... you havent thought this through have you?

Sure, the numbers can fail, and often do.

Because the numbers are just estimates.

Look at how their numbers have changed so much, over the years.

Why do you think that is?

Any idea?

changes in standards. you forget there is no standard for deep space missions yet. they need to find a standard which will keep astronauts safe as well as allowing them to stay out in space for as long as possible.

also please tell us how a 12 day mission to the moon is impossible again. the reports suggest that one year in deep space will get close and at time exceed the limitations set for yearly doses.. so please show us how that will affect a 12 day mission.

Originally posted by dragonridr
Here is the next paragraph you convieniently for for got to read. So much for all that missing apollo data and from your own source wow



First-generation copies of the converted video from
Apollo 11 as well as other first-generation copies and
some original versions of the converted video for the
Apollo 12 through Apollo 17 flights are still in NASA
Johnson Space Center's Informational Resources
Directorate's video vault in Houston.

This paragraph, for an English major, would be about "first-generation COPIES".
Notice how vague the paragraph is (it's a run on sentence, too)

"as well as other first-generation COPIES" - totally unspecified and vague.

"and SOME original versions" - unspecified and vague.

"of the converted video for the Apollo 12 through Apollo 17 flights" - notice they only state "converted video" and not Apollo telemetry.

It's clear now that you have misread the NASA scriptures.

www.nasa.gov...

NASA barfs some really goofball tales, indeed.

So the original Apollo 11 footage is lost forever. It was......somehow.....taped over.

What next? The Declaration of Independence is mistakenly used to line a parrot cage!! Or maybe it flies into ia paper shredder, in some kind of freak accident?

That's no more ridiculous than Apollo 11's hokum, is it?

Yet nothing is strange to the dwellers of Apollo-land .

reply to post by turbonium1


Just scratch the surface of Apollo and the tricks and switcheroos become fairly self-evident. The Nazis and CIA spooks are everywhere in Apollo, from the beginning with the V-2 to the very end with the cover up of the telemetry tapes.

The obvious example is the NASA scripture we have been discussing about the missing tapes and what that article really means. I think it's a very clever example of mind control.

They didn't go to the moon they pocketed 90% of the money which is about 9 billion and used the rest to stage it in a movie studio

Originally posted by choos

so then, tell us again why an astronaut cannot go on a mission to the moon for 12 days? please provide proof and no speculation.

so you mean, considering that nearly all deep space probes have sensitive equipment inside them, and considering that some earth orbit satellites need to be shut down from time to time from excessive radiation in the VA belt.

the experts who design deep space probes are using fake numbers... not just NASA but India, China, Russia and the european space agency they have all been using fake numbers... you havent thought this through have you?


changes in standards. you forget there is no standard for deep space missions yet. they need to find a standard which will keep astronauts safe as well as allowing them to stay out in space for as long as possible.

also please tell us how a 12 day mission to the moon is impossible again. the reports suggest that one year in deep space will get close and at time exceed the limitations set for yearly doses.. so please show us how that will affect a 12 day mission.

edit on 21-6-2013 by choos because: (no reason given)

Again - those numbers are simply estimates. They make that point very clear, right? It is not genuine data, in other words. Saying that, it's much better known today than in the Apollo-era. That's when they really faked their numbers.

Consider aluminum shielding. What is known about it today?

We know it's a very poor shield for humans in deep space.

We now know that aluminum intensifies the radiation hazard for humans in deep space,.

We know aluminum spacecraft cannot adequately shield humans in deep space.

So what are the numbers on aluminum ishielding n deep space? Apollo has real data on this, right?

The experts are estimating numbers, however. Why do that if the real data exists? They don't. Therefore we know that it's not real data.


If humans flew into deep space, in aluminum spacecraft, nine times, that would prove aluminum is adequate shielding for humans in deep space. At least for a week or so, like Apollo....right?

But experts never claim that it's safe for a week, or even a day. And they ignore the Apollo data. Real data would never be ignored like that. Just the opposite, it would be their ideal database to cite over and over again, within the reports. Do you ever see Apollo data being cited in any recent papers? It's not.

Ask yourself why not...

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by turbonium1

 

Just scratch the surface of Apollo and the tricks and switcheroos become fairly self-evident. The Nazis and CIA spooks are everywhere in Apollo, from the beginning with the V-2 to the very end with the cover up of the telemetry tapes.

The obvious example is the NASA scripture we have been discussing about the missing tapes and what that article really means. I think it's a very clever example of mind control.

So true.

A genuine space program has nothing in common with science fiction movies. But a fake space project does.

So NASA hired Kubrick, as the expert on faking space missions.

Originally posted by turbonium1
NASA barfs some really goofball tales, indeed.

So the original Apollo 11 footage is lost forever. It was......somehow.....taped over.

What next? The Declaration of Independence is mistakenly used to line a parrot cage!! Or maybe it flies into ia paper shredder, in some kind of freak accident?

That's no more ridiculous than Apollo 11's hokum, is it?

Yet nothing is strange to the dwellers of Apollo-land .

Erm, do you have any idea how many episodes of Dr Who were lost because the cheapo BBC taped over them? Or other footage? Do you? Thought not...

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by turbonium1

 

Just scratch the surface of Apollo and the tricks and switcheroos become fairly self-evident. The Nazis and CIA spooks are everywhere in Apollo, from the beginning with the V-2 to the very end with the cover up of the telemetry tapes.

The obvious example is the NASA scripture we have been discussing about the missing tapes and what that article really means. I think it's a very clever example of mind control.

And yet the Australians tracked Apollo all the way there and back. Odd how large this conspiracy is, and yet no-one's ever come forward and confessed. I wonder why that might be?

Originally posted by turbonium1

Again - those numbers are simply estimates. They make that point very clear, right? It is not genuine data, in other words. Saying that, it's much better known today than in the Apollo-era. That's when they really faked their numbers.

ok, look at the estimates.. compare them to the sated limits, are they dangerous for a 12 day mission??

Consider aluminum shielding. What is known about it today?

We know it's a very poor shield for humans in deep space.

We now know that aluminum intensifies the radiation hazard for humans in deep space,.

We know aluminum spacecraft cannot adequately shield humans in deep space.

So what are the numbers on aluminum ishielding n deep space? Apollo has real data on this, right?

The experts are estimating numbers, however. Why do that if the real data exists? They don't. Therefore we know that it's not real data.

you know for someone who says the numbers are fake you sure do have lots of facts. how do you know aluminium is a poor shield in deep space?? from these reports who is using fake numbers even though they are not very high at all for a 12 day mission??

also again, every satellite and deep space probe that exists and is being planned has been designed on fake data.. you havent thought this through at all have you.

If humans flew into deep space, in aluminum spacecraft, nine times, that would prove aluminum is adequate shielding for humans in deep space. At least for a week or so, like Apollo....right?

But experts never claim that it's safe for a week, or even a day. And they ignore the Apollo data. Real data would never be ignored like that. Just the opposite, it would be their ideal database to cite over and over again, within the reports. Do you ever see Apollo data being cited in any recent papers? It's not.

Ask yourself why not...

err.. they dont need to.. look at the results for a how much radiation is expected for one year.. then compare that to the limits imposed for one year, over a career and 30 days.. it is not difficult to see that it is safe to go into deep space for 12 days excluding large SPE's.

Originally posted by turbonium1

So true.

A genuine space program has nothing in common with science fiction movies. But a fake space project does.

So NASA hired Kubrick, as the expert on faking space missions.

this is just classy..

do you mind telling us what year this occured?? you know the years that he needed to film apollo 1-17.

or did he manage to film several hundred hours of footage with no mistake and post editing in like 6-12 months?

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
And yet the Australians tracked Apollo all the way there and back. Odd how large this conspiracy is, and yet no-one's ever come forward and confessed. I wonder why that might be?

The duration of Apollo 11 was 8 d 03 h 18 m 35 s. Are you saying the Aussies tracked Apollo 11 for 8+ days straight?

Is that even technically feasible?

Apollo 8 was a clear sign of the hoax..

It was first planned as an LEO mission. Same as others before.

To say it was later 'revised' ...is quite the understatement.

It was now to be a manned moon mission! For the first time ever!

First time beyond LEO, and first time to the moon, and first time back to Earth.

It takes only six months to do it, tops!!

Easy as pie...


The only one who didn't like the revised mission was the head honcho of NASA. And he had to approve it or it wouldn't proceed. After much delay, he finally approved it.

Then he suddenly resigned, just weeks before the mission set forth..After all the years as chief, he leaves just before the milestone event of all human space flight.

Being a hoaxed mission is the only reason that makes sense..

He was a lawyer, so he'd know it's a serious crime. As the head of NASA, he'd be done for if the sham was caught..

So he quit before the mission, and can't be held responsible for a hoax

Originally posted by choos

Originally posted by turbonium1

So true.

A genuine space program has nothing in common with science fiction movies. But a fake space project does.

So NASA hired Kubrick, as the expert on faking space missions.

this is just classy..

do you mind telling us what year this occured?? you know the years that he needed to film apollo 1-17.

or did he manage to film several hundred hours of footage with no mistake and post editing in like 6-12 months?

Who knows his exact part in all this? My point is that he was a part of it. Beyond doubt.

NASA meets with him, on his movie sets - in the UK! Nothing peculiar about that, right?.

NASA gave him a nice gift - a special film lens. He used it to film 'Barry Lyndon'. NASA must've really liked his movies or something!!

Kubrick had stipulated in the contract to release his last film 30 years to the exact day of Apollo 11's landing.

'Eyes Wide Shut' was the film.

Anything ironic in that?

Originally posted by turbonium1
Apollo 8 was a clear sign of the hoax..

It was first planned as an LEO mission. Same as others before.

To say it was later 'revised' ...is quite the understatement.

It was now to be a manned moon mission! For the first time ever!

First time beyond LEO, and first time to the moon, and first time back to Earth.

It takes only six months to do it, tops!!

Easy as pie...


The only one who didn't like the revised mission was the head honcho of NASA. And he had to approve it or it wouldn't proceed. After much delay, he finally approved it.

Then he suddenly resigned, just weeks before the mission set forth..After all the years as chief, he leaves just before the milestone event of all human space flight.

Being a hoaxed mission is the only reason that makes sense..

He was a lawyer, so he'd know it's a serious crime. As the head of NASA, he'd be done for if the sham was caught..

So he quit before the mission, and can't be held responsible for a hoax

there will be firsts for man every single time they begin to do something.. there was a first for man to start flying, there was a first for man to start driving..

and anyway it did not take man 6months to orbit the moon, it took them about 8 years. saturn V rockets dont just magically appear.

interesting about webb..

Webb was informed by CIA sources in 1968 that the Soviet Union was developing its own heavy N1 rocket for a manned lunar mission, and he directed NASA to prepare Apollo 8 for a possible lunar orbital mission that year.en.wikipedia.org...

funny how a man who plans a hoax, yet being a lawyer, he'd know it's a serious crime. As the head of NASA, he'd be done for if the sham was caught..

So he quit before the mission, and can't be held responsible for a hoax..

strange no?? he plans the entire hoax.. but quits because he is afraid he would be held responsible??

Originally posted by turbonium1

Who knows his exact part in all this? My point is that he was a part of it. Beyond doubt.

NASA meets with him, on his movie sets - in the UK! Nothing peculiar about that, right?.

NASA gave him a nice gift - a special film lens. He used it to film 'Barry Lyndon'. NASA must've really liked his movies or something!!

Kubrick had stipulated in the contract to release his last film 30 years to the exact day of Apollo 11's landing.

'Eyes Wide Shut' was the film.

Anything ironic in that?

ok you dont know his part or if he was even involved.. so you are just speculating again then?

or you can tell me when/what year NASA realised they cant land on the moon?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by dragonridr
Here is the next paragraph you convieniently for for got to read. So much for all that missing apollo data and from your own source wow



First-generation copies of the converted video from
Apollo 11 as well as other first-generation copies and
some original versions of the converted video for the
Apollo 12 through Apollo 17 flights are still in NASA
Johnson Space Center's Informational Resources
Directorate's video vault in Houston.

This paragraph, for an English major, would be about "first-generation COPIES".
Notice how vague the paragraph is (it's a run on sentence, too)

"as well as other first-generation COPIES" - totally unspecified and vague.

"and SOME original versions" - unspecified and vague.

"of the converted video for the Apollo 12 through Apollo 17 flights" - notice they only state "converted video" and not Apollo telemetry.

It's clear now that you have misread the NASA scriptures.

www.nasa.gov...

You claimed this data was missing well its not so obviously your unwilling to admit when your wrong which seems to happen alot i might add. And i suggest you figure out what information you think are on telemetry tapes has nothing to do with proving anything its videos and data from on board instruments most of it was useless after mission was over. Do we really need to know oxygen levels in the cabin or astronaut's body temperature you have no clue what your talking about. Lets try it this way stuff that can be stored on 1 computer today took hundreds of telemetry tapes because they hadnt invented hard drives yet.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by turbonium1
NASA barfs some really goofball tales, indeed.

So the original Apollo 11 footage is lost forever. It was......somehow.....taped over.

What next? The Declaration of Independence is mistakenly used to line a parrot cage!! Or maybe it flies into ia paper shredder, in some kind of freak accident?

That's no more ridiculous than Apollo 11's hokum, is it?

Yet nothing is strange to the dwellers of Apollo-land .

Erm, do you have any idea how many episodes of Dr Who were lost because the cheapo BBC taped over them? Or other footage? Do you? Thought not...

telemetry tapes were re used all the time standard they didnt have unlimited storage today we just go buy a new drive that holds gigabytes. Then each telemetry tape was hugely expensive cumbersome. But i think what alot of people dont understand is telemetry tapes all ways had to be converted if you listened to one all you would hear was whines and pops very similar to listening to a modem make a connection. The data means nothing until its converted into a 1st generation copy putting it in to a format it can be used such as video for example.This is the main reason telemetry tapes were not considered important at the time. Its the 1st generation copies that held usable data so often times telemetry tapes were reused over and over if you need the data you convert it if you dont you tape over it.

Originally posted by turbonium1

Originally posted by choos

Originally posted by turbonium1

So true.

A genuine space program has nothing in common with science fiction movies. But a fake space project does.

So NASA hired Kubrick, as the expert on faking space missions.

this is just classy..

do you mind telling us what year this occured?? you know the years that he needed to film apollo 1-17.

or did he manage to film several hundred hours of footage with no mistake and post editing in like 6-12 months?

Who knows his exact part in all this? My point is that he was a part of it. Beyond doubt.

NASA meets with him, on his movie sets - in the UK! Nothing peculiar about that, right?.

NASA gave him a nice gift - a special film lens. He used it to film 'Barry Lyndon'. NASA must've really liked his movies or something!!

Kubrick had stipulated in the contract to release his last film 30 years to the exact day of Apollo 11's landing.

'Eyes Wide Shut' was the film.

Anything ironic in that?

Wow you guys must think Kubrick was a magician there wasnt the technology needed to fake the moon landing. Kubrick contacted Nasa when he was making his film like any good director would do making a movie about astronauts come on. here watch this video:

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
And yet the Australians tracked Apollo all the way there and back. Odd how large this conspiracy is, and yet no-one's ever come forward and confessed. I wonder why that might be?

The duration of Apollo 11 was 8 d 03 h 18 m 35 s. Are you saying the Aussies tracked Apollo 11 for 8+ days straight?

Is that even technically feasible?

Erm the Parkes radio telescope was used to track Apollo 11, along with Honeysuckle Creek, both in Australia. So yes.