Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
...the Australians tracked Apollo all the way there and back.

Erm the Parkes radio telescope was used to track Apollo 11, along with Honeysuckle Creek, both in Australia. So yes.

I only meant to point out that there are frequent hand offs to the next radio station down the line for example therefore it is technically impossible for a single station to track anything "all the way there and back" to the moon.

"We lost Apollo 8 in the west with a handover to Carnarvon who then handed over to Madrid who handed over to Guam for the final minutes of flight and the fall to Earth." Friday 27 December 1968 Source www.honeysucklecreek.net...

Originally posted by choos

there will be firsts for man every single time they begin to do something.. there was a first for man to start flying, there was a first for man to start driving..

Sure, but they weren't all done within a few days!

Apollo 8 was the 'first'...time they hoaxed a moon mission, and that's about it. .

Originally posted by choos

and anyway it did not take man 6months to orbit the moon, it took them about 8 years. saturn V rockets dont just magically appear.

Of course they already had the rockets. So they magically fly these rockets beyond LEO for the first time, then go right off to the moon for the first time, and fly back to Earth, without a hitch. All within a few months?

Dream on.

Originally posted by choos

interesting about webb..

Webb was informed by CIA sources in 1968 that the Soviet Union was developing its own heavy N1 rocket for a manned lunar mission, and he directed NASA to prepare Apollo 8 for a possible lunar orbital mission that year.en.wikipedia.org...

strange no?? he plans the entire hoax.. but quits because he is afraid he would be held responsible??

Let;s see now,,,Webb tells NASA to prepare Apollo 8 for a possiblel lunar mission, and this somehow makes him the mastermind of the entire moon hoax?,

Is that what you're suggesting here?

It makes no sense at all.

All he does is tell NASA to prepare Apollo 8 for a possible alternate missio - which was a lunar orbit mission. That is all he is doing here. There is nothing to suggest Webb has any involvement in a hoax. You simply assume it does to help you make an argument.

Unless you can provide some evidence that Webb controlled or planned the hoax, we can move on... . .

Even if he was the planner of the entire hoax, it doesn't matter. He left NASA before any hoax took place. Even if the hoax had been exposed, his replacement would take the hit for it. At most, Webb could face lesser charges for setting it up. If he was involved, that is. But there is no evidence to suggest he was involved..

Originally posted by turbonium1

Sure, but they weren't all done within a few days!

Apollo 8 was the 'first'...time they hoaxed a moon mission, and that's about it.

you are oversimplifying the entire apollo program.. it took them at least 7 years to accomplish apollo 8.

Of course they already had the rockets. So they magically fly these rockets beyond LEO for the first time, then go right off to the moon for the first time, and fly back to Earth, without a hitch. All within a few months?

Dream on.

did you forget about all the previous apollo missions?? gemini?? mercury?? these were all lead ups to apollo 8's success.

you are over simplifying everything.. you see apollo 8's mission changes and think.. oh they went from nothing to orbitting the moon in less than 6months completely ignoring everything beyond that.. why dont you say that man didnt even known what fire was before apollo 8, and in six months after discovering fire they orbited the moon??

Let;s see now,,,Webb tells NASA to prepare Apollo 8 for a possiblel lunar mission, and this somehow makes him the mastermind of the entire moon hoax?,

Is that what you're suggesting here?

It makes no sense at all.

he was the one who planned the apollo 8 mission, he just happened to retire before it launched.. so if you think that apollo 8 was a hoax, then yes he must have planned it.. and now you also say it doesnt make sense.. great maybe you do have some sense.

All he does is tell NASA to prepare Apollo 8 for a possible alternate missio - which was a lunar orbit mission. That is all he is doing here. There is nothing to suggest Webb has any involvement in a hoax. You simply assume it does to help you make an argument.

Unless you can provide some evidence that Webb controlled or planned the hoax, we can move on... . .

he planned the apollo 8 missions, not prepare, he knew it was going to be a moon mission. therefore if it was to be faked he knew about it and he planned it.

The mission was officially changed from a "D" mission to a "C-Prime" Lunar Orbit mission, but was still referred to in press releases as an Earth Orbit mission at Webb's direction.[13] No public announcement was made about the change in mission until November 12, three weeks after Apollo 7's successful Earth orbit mission and less than 40 days before launch
en.wikipedia.org...

get it?? atleast you see how silly this idea is.

Even if he was the planner of the entire hoax, it doesn't matter. He left NASA before any hoax took place. Even if the hoax had been exposed, his replacement would take the hit for it. At most, Webb could face lesser charges for setting it up. If he was involved, that is. But there is no evidence to suggest he was involved..

he is still accountable for it.. and will be known as the one who planned it. so he quits in order not to be held responsible?? even though he will be charged for it?? i thought he left in order not to be held responsible?? but he still gets charged for it.. do you even think your theories through before posting them??

Another sinker for Apollo 8...


"Animals in space originally only served to test the survivability of spaceflight, before manned space missions were attempted. Later, animals were also flown to investigate various biological processes and the effects microgravity and space flight might have on them."

en.wikipedia.org...

So animals were used on many space missions, before any manned missions. This was done because we didn't know what the effects of that environment would be to living organisms.

Space was a little-known, alien environment at the time. So it makes sense to first test it with some insects, and some animals. For years, they only sent animals into space. It was finally considered to be safe for humans, too. We began the manned space missions, which proved it was, indeed, safe for humans,

Great. They' spent years testing the 'space' environment before they considered it safe for humans.

The next step is...'deep space'. Or 'beyond LEO'. It is really two different environments - the VA Belts environment, and the environment beyond it. We can even include a third one, the lunar environment.

We don't know much about this environment, but we do understand it would be much more dangerous for humans.than it is in LEO.

They tested the 'space' environment with animals, because they weren't sure if it was safe for humans to go there.

And they already know deep space is not safe for humans. Obviously, they would send animals first, to test it out.

But they don;t. They send humans right off the bat, with Apollo 8!!

Nice little fable.

The End.



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Originally posted by turbonium1

They tested the 'space' environment with animals, because they weren't sure if it was safe for humans to go there.

And they already know deep space is not safe for humans. Obviously, they would send animals first, to test it out.

But they don;t. They send humans right off the bat, with Apollo 8!!

Nice little fable.

The End.



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yes the USSR also sent animals into space before attempting anything.. your point here is kind of weird..

wait i worked it out.. you completely neglected the surveyor program.

Originally posted by choos
did you forget about all the previous apollo missions?? gemini?? mercury?? these were all lead ups to apollo 8's success.

There were NO lead-ups for any manned missions beyond LEO. .Apollo 8 supposedly flew humans into a hazardous environment they knew little about, and that we still don't fully understand today.

What were the lead-ups for manned LEO missions? Lots of animal missions. Why? They didn't know how it would effect humans.

What were the lead-ups for manned missions beyond LEO? They never used animals to test the environment beyond LEO. They had no lead-ups, period. They (supposedly) sent humans out,

So that's where Apollo 8 comes in.

Gemini, etc. were sent into LEO - and progressed within that environment. The environment(s) beyond is not even in the same ballpark.
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Originally posted by choos

yes the USSR also sent animals into space before attempting anything.. your point here is kind of weird..

wait i worked it out.. you completely neglected the surveyor program.

Just unmanned craft. No go.

The USSR also confirms what I said. Animals were sent on many missions before there was ever a single human flight.

What more do you need to see the elephant standing there in front of you?

Originally posted by turbonium1
There were NO lead-ups for any manned missions beyond LEO.

Apart from Explorer 35, Explorer 49, Lunar Orbiter 1. Lunar Orbiter 2, Lunar Orbiter 3, Lunar Orbiter 4 and Lunar Orbiter 5, Surveyor 1 thru 7....

So why ignore them?

Originally posted by turbonium1

Just unmanned craft. No go.

The USSR also confirms what I said. Animals were sent on many missions before there was ever a single human flight.

What more do you need to see the elephant standing there in front of you?

you mean unmanned craft designed to see if its safe for humans to go to the moon?? perchance do you even know the purpose of the surveyor probes?

actually why stop here at the surveyor probes.. do you know the purpose of the pioneer program? explorer program? ranger program?

and what is wrong with sending animals before humans?? have you never heard of testing on animals before? it might be unethical but i dont see your point really. makeup companies used to test products on animals too.. must mean its too dangerous to sell it to the general public right?

A multiple choice question for you..

Why didn't NASA send any animals into deep space?

Answer..

A Because most pigs are terribke pilots, but always make for a good ham sandwuch

B The monkeys talked them out of it

C They were going 'on a hunch'

D They were scared out of it by animal rights groups

E They assumed it was already done by Russians, who said it was safe as can be

F They didn't need to send animals, because humans weren't going either


I think it's probably 'F'. So what about you?

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you forgot one.. confidence in the equipment while being in a race to the moon.

Originally posted by turbonium1

Originally posted by choos
did you forget about all the previous apollo missions?? gemini?? mercury?? these were all lead ups to apollo 8's success.

There were NO lead-ups for any manned missions beyond LEO. .Apollo 8 supposedly flew humans into a hazardous environment they knew little about, and that we still don't fully understand today.

What were the lead-ups for manned LEO missions? Lots of animal missions. Why? They didn't know how it would effect humans.

What were the lead-ups for manned missions beyond LEO? They never used animals to test the environment beyond LEO. They had no lead-ups, period. They (supposedly) sent humans out,

So that's where Apollo 8 comes in.

Gemini, etc. were sent into LEO - and progressed within that environment. The environment(s) beyond is not even in the same ballpark.
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your making a fool of yourself do you realize how many instruments we sent into space and the moon to test the environment animals were not used because they couldnt tell us anything. Instruments gave us something called data. Funniest part is you think animal testing is important and NASA knew the animals would survive they were concerned with long term effects.

It's very clear that NASA has something to hide on the moon since Richard Nixon's era 1969-1972.

"If somebody else is going (to the moon, on a manned mission) , we (NASA, US? NSA? CIA?) will provide our engineering expertise and the only condition is that I be allowed to send an astronaut as a part of the crew," Bolden told an Institute of Medicine panel which is looking into ethics and health guidelines for future long-duration human spaceflights. Source www.space.com...

Do you all know what that means, NASA Defenders? If the Chinese are sending a manned mission to the Moon --- Bolden wants an American on board.

Are the Chinese really going to let that happen?

Did America ask any other foreign nation for test pilots/astronauts to serve in the Apollo program? No.
Why should NASA make conditions on the Chinese who have become the obvious successors to manned lunar exploration?

And what would the Chinese space agency have to say about their future manned lunar mission? "Oh , we really need one American astronaut to help us figure out how to get to the moon. We are grateful for the hitch-hiking, CIA assassin who will travelled with China all the way to the moon. This is a great day for China and the CIA!"

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


You have a reading comprehension issue don't you. IF the US helps someone else get to the moon, using Apollo experience then they want to send an astronaut along. And why not? If someone else benefits from NASA experience why shouldn't we benefit too? I suppose we're supposed to just say "Here you go!", and give then anything they want? No one is forcing anyone to accept our help. If they want to figure it out for themselves then they are welcome to.

Werner von Braun's Asteroid Threat is still on the books.



The Apollo Defenders have argued nothing that can quash the argument of Charles Bolden's Keep Out Zones, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Moon and Asteroid Defense.

Engineers are looking for a relatively small asteroid about 7-10 meters in diameter, so that if it accidentally ended up on a collision course with Earth, it would burn up in the atmosphere and not cause any damage.

"I am told that if we screw it up, if we try to capture it and we perturb it and we deflect it toward Earth, we will not destroy civilization. We won't even hurt a car because it won't make it through the atmosphere," Bolden said.

The mission is envisioned as an early stepping-stone toward eventually learning how to alter the course of a larger, potentially threatening, asteroid in the future. Source www.space.com...

See Deputy Administrator Lori Garver's recent presentation:
www.nasa.gov...

See also the 2006 NEO report here. Please note the URL here is hq, nasa, gov, office, pao, FOIA
www.hq.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

You have a reading comprehension issue don't you. IF the US helps someone else get to the moon, using Apollo experience then they want to send an astronaut along. And why not? If someone else benefits from NASA experience why shouldn't we benefit too? I suppose we're supposed to just say "Here you go!", and give then anything they want? No one is forcing anyone to accept our help. If they want to figure it out for themselves then they are welcome to.

Charles Bolden has set the condition, not me.

"the only condition is that I be allowed to send an astronaut as a part of the crew," Bolden

And you know what else? The moon is not NASA's property to "give them anything they want", according to your failed argument. Today's NASA is still covering up for the Apollo-Nixon moon landing hoax. NASA is desperately afraid that if any other countries get too close to the moon that they will discover the fake Apollo-Nixon landing sites. See the references to the von Braun asteroid threat that is followed by E.T. disclosure.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


They're not giving anyone anything on the moon, which proves a reading comprehension issue, they're talking about engineering support on getting to the moon.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

You have a reading comprehension issue don't you. IF the US helps someone else get to the moon, using Apollo experience then they want to send an astronaut along. And why not? If someone else benefits from NASA experience why shouldn't we benefit too? I suppose we're supposed to just say "Here you go!", and give then anything they want? No one is forcing anyone to accept our help. If they want to figure it out for themselves then they are welcome to.

Charles Bolden has set the condition, not me.

"the only condition is that I be allowed to send an astronaut as a part of the crew," Bolden

And you know what else? The moon is not NASA's property to "give them anything they want", according to your failed argument. Today's NASA is still covering up for the Apollo-Nixon moon landing hoax. NASA is desperately afraid that if any other countries get too close to the moon that they will discover the fake Apollo-Nixon landing sites. See the references to the von Braun asteroid threat that is followed by E.T. disclosure.

edit on 6/23/2013 by SayonaraJupiter because: color tags

You have no idea what your talking about do you? First lets talk about the keep out zones no craft is to land within 2 kilometers they want to prevent debri and dust damaging the sight. Now if you want to walk there or drive the keep out zone is 75 meters roughly 210 ft this means i can take a camera with a telephoto lens and survey the entire site. The reason they dont want people walking around is simple those foot prints will remain there as long as the moon does provided no one tramples all over it.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

They're not giving anyone anything on the moon, which proves a reading comprehension issue, they're talking about engineering support on getting to the moon.

Zaphod, you can't kill this thread. The Asteroid Threat is real. NASA can't do it alone and they need your help.

reply to post by dragonridr


I know quite a bit actually. For example, how exactly is a keep out area going to be enforced? Robots with lasers? A giant dome? It can't be. They can ask, demand, or whatever else they want but nothing will stop someone from walking over and doing whatever they want.

As for asteroids they've been a threat since the dinosaurs, but I guess since Von Braun said it they're much more of a threat now huh.