U.N. Commission Calls for Legalizing Prostitution Worldwide

Originally posted by boncho
Originally posted by hp1229
Originally posted by boncho
Originally posted by hp1229
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by hp1229

Maybe you didn't go to college or university, maybe you did but didn't live on campus. Maybe you didn't go to parties after class or on weekends. But I assure you, young people do a fine job at "devaluing morals" by themselves.

No. I did attend university and obtained my degree and also attended parties but never into vulgar acts. I do agree that they do manage to devaluing morals all by themselves because others are promoting as an act of 'coolness'

If a girl is giving out free gang bangs I don't see how it's much different than taking money for the same act. A lot of time girls want something first before they consider hooking up, sleeping with a guy (Whatever you want to call it). Whether it be booze, _______, a paid dinner, etc.

Well then she is not a prostitute but someone who enjoys sleeping with other men just as much as the men enjoy sleeping with many women. There are terms for such girls but I would refrain from using.

Some people believe this and then you have others that don't and don't admit it. Like one girl I know and her boyfriend is just adoring her, believing she is an angel sent from heaven, etc, etc.
I know a half dozen people that have bedded her since they were together. It's not really my business. But this is what happens when you try to ignore people's personalities and hide sexual nature. Instead of just accepting and dealing with it.

Well did I mention ' open communication' is also part of the marriage?

People discussing this topic with you may as well speak to a church group about it. How sheltered are you to make comments like "Brothels at the mall."

Sorry. I do not represent any religious group or church. But thanks for the compliments. I'm very agnostic if not anything But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't respect others.

Is there a nightclub across from your children's school? No? Yes, because there is something called zoning.
Besides, there are probably hundreds of escorts (prostitutes) already working privately in your town/city out of their houses or condos. You just don't know about it...

What about it? I never disputed the existing businesses. We're only looking at the possibilities should the industry go legal

reply to post by boncho

If a girl is giving out free gang bangs I don't see how it's much different than taking money for the same act.

Neither one has much self respect,
but yea, our culture is so over the self respect issue.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Really? You would not care if you daughter was a prostitute? I find that really hard to believe. I can't think of any parent I know that would be, " Oh you have sex all day everyday for a living? Good for you Sally, I am proud of you!! That is so much better than that lawyer job you had lined up"......

X_X

Get out of here with that nonsense and just because it pays well isn't a justifiable answer. I can make a lot of money selling drugs to junior high kids but I DON'T DO IT because it is WRONG.

reply to post by hp1229


Thank-You, yes it is a very touchy subject, and it seems if as a woman you try and say anything against it,you are imediately accussed of being a "manhater" or some sort of sex nazi. I love men, I love sex, and in my mind I see porn and prostitution as a total assult on the true "essence" of what I see sexuality as being......

Now I know many people will disagree with me, that sex and love are seperate things...but you try explaining that to your wife or girlfriend if you par-take in those things without her knowledge and she finds out, I guarentee you it will be about "Love" to her.......

I've had men I love try and convince me that this is all normal, no big deal, to be more "open minded", etc., and I have tried to compromise, but at the end of the day it's a deal breaker for me, once a man makes me feel "less" by actively showing lust toward other women, it "breaks" something...and the bond is never the same.

I think people that engage in sex with prostitutes, porn, or any alternative sexual lifestyle needs to be very honest with any potential mates, because if your not, and play the "have your cake and eat it too" game.....it will end up very badly.....and hearts get broken.....

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by hp1229

 

Thank-You, yes it is a very touchy subject, and it seems if as a woman you try and say anything against it,you are imediately accussed of being a "manhater" or some sort of sex nazi. I love men, I love sex, and in my mind I see porn and prostitution as a total assult on the true "essence" of what I see sexuality as being......

Now I know many people will disagree with me, that sex and love are seperate things...but you try explaining that to your wife or girlfriend if you par-take in those things without her knowledge and she finds out, I guarentee you it will be about "Love" to her.......

I've had men I love try and convince me that this is all normal, no big deal, to be more "open minded", etc., and I have tried to compromise, but at the end of the day it's a deal breaker for me, once a man makes me feel "less" by actively showing lust toward other women, it "breaks" something...and the bond is never the same.

I think people that engage in sex with prostitutes, porn, or any alternative sexual lifestyle needs to be very honest with any potential mates, because if your not, and play the "have your cake and eat it too" game.....it will end up very badly.....and hearts get broken.....

Originally posted by stolski21
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Really? You would not care if you daughter was a prostitute? I find that really hard to believe. I can't think of any parent I know that would be, " Oh you have sex all day everyday for a living? Good for you Sally, I am proud of you!! That is so much better than that lawyer job you had lined up"......

X_X

Really? Did you just place lawyers as more respectable than prostitutes? Really? Don't for a second think you represent a mainstream attitude about the respectability of lawyers and the fondness and affection for prostitutes and the disregard and disrespect for lawyers is an ancient sentiment. Read the works of Shakespeare and come back and tell us how his affection for prostitutes is unseemly and his distaste for lawyers unfounded.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


God Jesus I struck a nerve, I said lawyer cause he said his daughter was taking law school...calm your tits. If he would have said some type of doctor, maybe I would have said optometrist or a podiatrist.

Originally posted by SunnyDee
"Leave the Gun, Take the Canoli!"

Do you think the UN might like the Godfather?

edit on 25-7-2012 by SunnyDee because: (no reason given)

Ok with all the UN stuff this week did this quote not pop into anyone elses head?

I thought it was pretty appropo. Just bumping my earlier comment to see anyone felt like a giggle.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Your set up where you've informed your spouse that she'll cooperate with your sexual needs as you define them or you will seek it elsewhere would suggest otherwise. This is a form of sexual-emotional bullying. The end result of this attitude is not parrticularly good for either of you. That this is currently accepted in your relationship does not not make it a form of bullying. You've essentially set up a situation where No is punished, and therefore No is not an acceptable answer in your sexual relationship. This is not honourable, no matter how jovially you present it.

I'm sure its working for you now. You've clearly not thought through the long term results of this attitude. I hope you'll use what I know is a pretty good brain to re-think the long term consequences.


Your post actually was not clear about consent and reads as if you are questioning date rape being possible. I'm glad to see that you don't believe that. And yes, there are wishy-washy circumstances with consent. For example, how many guys are aware that starting to have sex with a woman and than removing a condom in the middle of the act is an act of rape? A case actually went to the Supreme Court here in Canada for this.

reply to post by stolski21


Your idea of morality is different from mine.

I don't consider the sex trade to be wrong as long as it's consenting adults who are doing it in the privacy of their own homes and their own terms.

It's none of my business and it's none of yours either.

SElling drugs to junior high students is wrong because they are minors and aren't ready to make those kinds of decisions.

That's entirely different than not hating an adult for making a perfectly sound financial decision that in no way effects you.

So please take your misplaced sense of morality elsewhere, mine is certainly not in the process of judging others when they have different opinions than my own.

~Tenth

Selling your body does have consequences, and again you believe what you believe because YOU don't live with those consequences. That you are willing for your children to shoulder those consequences because you have buddies that would like to buy their vaginas for an evening (as long as they are adults) really doesn't say much about your priorities.

But hey, if your morals make your buddies' sexual wants more important to you, who am I to judge you?

Does anyone else get the idea that the people requesting this report may be interested in having prostitution legalized for a personal reason? Maybe they are tired of feeling guilty of what they are doing or would like to do.

The question "what if your mother, sister, daughter became a prostitute?" is completely hypothetical. It might as well be asked what if she becomes an astronaut or a superhero. Not every woman can be a prostitute, I am sure it takes a certain emotional detachment that not every woman possesses. I KNOW for a fact that my mother or sister or daughter would not enjoy being a prostitute and no one is forcing them to. The same logic goes with any profession, some can handle it, others can't. So why bother asking that question? To make us feel guilty for accepting prostitution as legit? Ultimately, it isn't my choice if someone I love becomes a prostitute, however against it I am. Same thing goes with women who have abortions, its out of my hands even if I think its the wrong choice.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by stolski21

 

Your idea of morality is different from mine.

I don't consider the sex trade to be wrong as long as it's consenting adults who are doing it in the privacy of their own homes and their own terms.

It's none of my business and it's none of yours either.

SElling drugs to junior high students is wrong because they are minors and aren't ready to make those kinds of decisions.

That's entirely different than not hating an adult for making a perfectly sound financial decision that in no way effects you.

So please take your misplaced sense of morality elsewhere, mine is certainly not in the process of judging others when they have different opinions than my own.

~Tenth

That whole, " It's none of my business and it's none of yours"... isn't that one of the reasons why we are in the crapper? Cause we don't care about how others feel? Or we don't care enough to care? To many people in this world live with apathy in their core instead of empathy.. all I am saying

reply to post by SibylofErythrae

For example, how many guys are aware that starting to have sex with a woman and than removing a condom in the middle of the act is an act of rape? A case actually went to the Supreme Court here in Canada for this.

If this is true, then lying about birth control should also be an act of rape.

This is a form of sexual-emotional bullying. The end result of this attitude is not parrticularly good for either of you. That this is currently accepted in your relationship does not not make it a form of bullying. You've essentially set up a situation where No is punished,

That is not what I have set up at all. My wife says no quite often actually.

What I have is an open, honest, direct, and blunt description of myself long before we ever got married. When we met, she had a boyfriend, and I was only interested in sex, but she chose to break up with him anyway. I tried to convince her it was a bad idea, and that I wasn't interested in a relationship at the time. As we dated, I also dated a couple of other girls, even taking 2 out on a date at the same time at one point. I was very honest about my intentions, and they decided it was worth it I suppose. I have no idea why. The date went fine, one girl was extremely competitive and attention-seeking, and she wasn't nearly as attractive to me at the end of the date, while my now-wife was calm, cool, collected, and confident the whole time, and she became very alluring to me in more ways than just sex! While we were dating, I was honest about things I enjoy or don't enjoy, and also in my complete lack of jealousy, and she was surprised to find she could talk openly to me about guys she was attracted to, and even flirt with them or invite them out with us, and I'm ok with that. No need to go extremely deep into my attractions, or my wife and I's relationship, but suffice to say that these days we rarely experiment, but if either one of us gets a wild hair, we talk about it and explore it. It has nothing to do with what either of us will or won't do for the other. The last time something fun, sexy, and somewhat comical happened was when we ran into her ex-boyfriend at a bar, it was his birthday, they hadn't talked in a couple of years, he was getting drunk, and he admitted that we once drunk-dialed him while they were still dating, and he listened to us having sex. That pretty much sucks for him, and we felt bad, but we made it up by taking him home with us that night for a first-hand experience instead of the telephone one! Happy Birthday to him.

You have fallen victim to the typical female view of multiple partners. You think the only reason a man wants a different partner is if his current partner is inadequate. That is just not the case. Men want multiple partners for a number of reasons, the most obvious being mystery and variety. It is always fun to have a first kiss, or take someones clothes off for the first time, and there is only 1 first time. The other reasons one might seek an outside partner is if their desires are something that just aren't enjoyable with the love of their life. There are many types of sex that one might enjoy, but not with a person they care deeply about. Maybe a person wants to demean, or be demeaned, but it wouldn't work right with your spouse. We could go all day into gory details, but that isn't necessary.

The thing is, you are making a bunch of baseless assumptions by projecting your own views of sexuality, probably based in religious teachings either consciously or subconsciously, and you assume those things are "the norm." Personally, I haven't read Kama Sutra, , but I know that it is ancient, and spiritual, and even it tackles the notion of multiple partners in a direct and open kind of way. There is nothing wrong with multiple partners in a strong relationship. It only becomes a problem if the relationship has other holes, such as dishonesty.

Originally posted by TheReclaimer
The question "what if your mother, sister, daughter became a prostitute?" is completely hypothetical. It might as well be asked what if she becomes an astronaut or a superhero. Not every woman can be a prostitute, I am sure it takes a certain emotional detachment that not every woman possesses. I KNOW for a fact that my mother or sister or daughter would not enjoy being a prostitute and no one is forcing them to. The same logic goes with any profession, some can handle it, others can't. So why bother asking that question? To make us feel guilty for accepting prostitution as legit? Ultimately, it isn't my choice if someone I love becomes a prostitute, however against it I am. Same thing goes with women who have abortions, its out of my hands even if I think its the wrong choice.

You are assuming that there is choice involved. Often there is not. Or there is psychological phenomena present that have made a person believe that they don't have legitimate other choices.

Until people are willing to address that this industry is rarely a real choice but the product of people being told that they have no other value, or that their best-value is in being a piece of meat this is not an improvement.

Even the people on this thread have proven this. Hey, she could make better money being a brainless twat. Literally. That's what they think women's BEST value is and cannot comprehend why someone would choose otherwise.

You've even been given a scale on what sort of pay you could expect for being good at it. And he's right, I've looked into it before. I gave my husband a rather shocking example of what my "services" would cost him to purchase as a slap in the face.

Originally posted by SibylofErythrae
Selling your body does have consequences, and again you believe what you believe because YOU don't live with those consequences. That you are willing for your children to shoulder those consequences because you have buddies that would like to buy their vaginas for an evening (as long as they are adults) really doesn't say much about your priorities.

But hey, if your morals make your buddies' sexual wants more important to you, who am I to judge you?

edit on 25-7-2012 by SibylofErythrae because: (no reason given)

Working at a theatre in Colorado has consequences, working at a convenience store has consequences, playing a professional sport has consequences, choosing a college has consequences, dating has consequences, getting married and/or divorced has consequences. We all live with our consequences.

I know some very well-adjusted strippers and ex-strippers, and I have met some pretty screwed up ones. The same can be said for the doctors and lawyers I know.

This issue gets all muddied up by the people uptight about sex in general. It is no different than being paid to weedeat a ditch, run 100m, or sit in a cubicle all day. We're paid for our time and our labors, and what those labors are is agreed upon before hand, and we either do it or we don't take the job.

Originally posted by stolski21

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

That whole, " It's none of my business and it's none of yours"... isn't that one of the reasons why we are in the crapper? Cause we don't care about how others feel? Or we don't care enough to care? To many people in this world live with apathy in their core instead of empathy.. all I am saying

No it's quite the opposite actually, we are in this situation because some people thought they could legislate people's bodie's and decide for them what was ok and what wasn't when it came to sex.

I have no apathy towards this, I actually have more empathy than most people because I don't see the sex trade as criminal when done properly by consenting adults.

I encourage people to do whatever it is they please as long as they aren't hurting other people or cohersing other people into a trade they wish not be in.

It's none of my business what anybody else is doing with their lives, until they make it my business by involving me in some way. Either by infringing on my rights or my familly's etc..

Otherwise, live and let live and no government body should be legally allowed to create legislation that undermines your ability to govern yourself.

~Tenth

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

$1000 per hour is not unrealistic for a pretty person with some self-respect, good hygiene, and a discerning clientele. I could work an hour or two per day under those conditions for that pay, no problem!

as usual I am stunned,

To me this would be like selling my soul, for a buck.

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That is fine. Prostitution is not for you. No harm in that. You probably don't want to be a plumber, or a ditch digger, or an astronaut either. That's all fine.

I took a little straw poll in between posts while ago, from my office staff, 2 men, and 2 women, asked them if they would let a naked, sweaty, fat man grind around on top of them for $1000 per hour for a couple of hours 5 days per week. I got 3 yeses and 1 no. Both women said a resounding yes, the younger man also said yes, the older man rolled his eyes and shook his head no.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by SibylofErythrae

 

For example, how many guys are aware that starting to have sex with a woman and than removing a condom in the middle of the act is an act of rape? A case actually went to the Supreme Court here in Canada for this.

If this is true, then lying about birth control should also be an act of rape.

I agree. I'm waiting for someone to take it up and take it to the supreme court.
Both men and women can lie about birth control. I've known a couple of guys who've intenetionally sabotaged birth control, so don't for a second believe that's a one way street.

You have fallen victim to the typical female view of multiple partners. You think the only reason a man wants a different partner is if his current partner is inadequate. That is just not the case. Men want multiple partners for a number of reasons, the most obvious being mystery and variety. It is always fun to have a first kiss, or take someones clothes off for the first time, and there is only 1 first time. The other reasons one might seek an outside partner is if their desires are something that just aren't enjoyable with the love of their life. There are many types of sex that one might enjoy, but not with a person they care deeply about. Maybe a person wants to demean, or be demeaned, but it wouldn't work right with your spouse. We could go all day into gory details, but that isn't necessary.

You are assuming that only men want this. Women repress this generally, not that they are incapable of wanting it. I've been in the "polyamourous" relationship (though I wasn't sexually involved with any participants at all during that period of time), and am throughly schooled in exactly how much people are lying to themselves.

I'm more than throughly aware of the ins-and-outs (haha) of this subject. Men are usually lying to themselves deeply about it, and it catches up with them. Its been pretty educational watching a few of you try to pull out of this deal and finding out that your female partners are of course much better at getting other partners and don't want to give it up just because you've suddenly developed a want for more security as you age. The crushing seems to be pretty unpleasant.

You might want to prepare.