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Did the Holocaust Really Happen?

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Yes there was a holocaust. In fact there was more than 1 holocaust. 20 million Native Americans killed in the 1800's alone, many on the Trail of Tears. An estimated 500 million protestant christians and jews butchered during the 600 year Inquisition in Europe as heretics. The Lebanon Massacres, the Armenian Massacres pre/post WWI, the Serbian and Bosnian conflicts with Milosevik and the Cambodian massacres. China has had some massacres, so which holocaust you referring to? 6 million jews is a drop in the bucket compared to the sum billion people murdered in the last 2000 years in genocidal purges




posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Yes, the holocaust actually did happen. I've been to Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz and I've lived in Germany. I actually saw Albert Speer not 10 feet from where I stood.
The Nazis didn't care about Jehovah's Witnesses anymore than the cared about any other minority after the Jews.
That's the truth.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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LOL at everyone who did not read the OP.

Though I don't like any Jehovahs Witnesses (seriously, every single one I have met has been so annoying and won't leave my house unless I literally unzip my pants and say something completely inappropriate, then they blush and run away), I find it admirable that they clung to their beliefs through all that. THOUGH, one thing that bothers me about it is, I imagine some of them were faced with the death of family members or their own children unless they renounced their faith, and I can never agree with passively sentencing your own children to death for the sake of your faith. Surely you could renounce your faith, go home, and then repent. But I'll stop myself there because I don't want to get into a religious discussion.

So, yes, the holocaust happened. History clearly shows us that it did with the photographed evidence, written evidence, eye witnesses (still alive to give their testimony) and the filmed evidence. There's no way one can logically deny it happened. However, I'm not sure I believe the figures they portray. 6,000,000? Six Million? That's a $%##%#$ ton of people... But anyway, I think the Jewish population used it to their advantage to snag an entire country for themselves.

Good information. And people...

R E A D

T H E

O P E N I N G

P O S T


for %#$#% sake....

edit on 2/14/2341 by OrphenFire because: time travel is fun



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by cayrichard
The senseless murder of any person is reprehensible whether it be a jew, Jehovah's Witness or whatever. I don't for a minute believe Hitler was a benevolent dictator like Quadaffi. On the other hand I do not believe he was the barbarian he is portrayed to be. He correctly identified the beast as the zionist Jews yet below the radar he had to play ball with them as the financed his rise to power as a counter balance to Stalin who became difficult to control. It was when Hitler threw the Zionist Jews out of the banking business in Germany and set up gov't banks and created a prosperous economy that they decided he had to go.
Those of us who are awake can see the power of the press to control public opinion through lies, spin and omission. The press is particularly powerful when it's propaganda is directed at a dumbed down population which is constantly distracted by bread and circuses and incapable of critical thinking ie. the American Public. The press in Germany and the rest of the world was and is Jewish Controlled as is Hollywood.
If Hitler was so anti Jewish why were have the elite in his gov't full or half jews. Why would 15,000 jewish soldiers fight for the Reich. Hitler made deals with the Zionists that helped justify the need for a state of Israel.
In 1933 who controlled Roosevelt and other western leaders to restrict immigration of European Jews. Why did the Zionists not pay the $2 million demanded by Eichmann (jewish??) for the exodus of all jews from Germany.
Where did the 6 million number come from? We see pictures of concentration camp deaths. How many were jews and how many were non jews? Did they die from Zykron B gas (insecticide) used for delousing or did most die to starvation due to allied bombing disrupting supply lines. If jews were brought to camps to be slaughtered then why did the nazis need to develop a complex registration system to track them.
Why is it that over and over again we are forced to hear about a non verified number of 6 million jews but nothing about millions of American, British, Canadian and other casualties. Isn't it ironic that we have to accept the existance of God's existance on faith but accept the holocaust and the death of 6 million jews as fact.
If the holocaust and it's number of casualities was indeed true, the story would stand on it's own and would not fear investigation. We have all heard the statement "The Truth Will set you free". Anyone who has dared to challenge or Investigate the holocaust has been prosecuted to the the full extent of the law.
In Germany which has been made to endure the brunt of the guilt over the so called Holocaust a defendent charged as a Holocaust denier cannot bring evidence into the court in his defence. How outrageous is this. In other countries such as Canada denial of the holocaust is considered a hate crime. Why is it that the holocaust story cannot stand on it's own. What are the Zionists trying to hide. Why is something which is not allowed to be verified being used as a propaganda tool in the school system. Why is challenging this event a crime?
The Zionist Jews use the holocaust story to try to get sympathy from the International Community. It helps to create an image of the Jews as an underdog constantly being persecuted. It is used as a tool to prevent the spotlight from falling onto Zionist Crimes. For example, the Goldman Sachs and Zionist Banking rule of the ponzi scheme we call the fiat money system and fractional reserve banking Forbes 400 list never ever includes a member of the worlds leading Zionist or any other banker. Is that because the Forbes list only includes billionaires and not trillionaires. Think about it; the Jewish Zionists are far from the underdogs, they control the western world and it's political and financial systems. They are in the process of wrecking it and impoverishing and destroying human civilization.


Ding ding ding!!

We have a winner.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:49 AM
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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to people who has concerns about holocaust i usually say that: my grandparents from both sides spent some amount of time in auschwitz, they have tattoos with serial numbers on their hands and all their families died in the gas chambers.... what would you say to THEM about existence of holocaust???? maybe they old, but these kind of memories never go away.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Read the thread and not just the title....Sheesh!!!



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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Hopefully the death of all those who died in the concentration camps will not be in vain and everyone will realize that the Nazi regime (National Socialism) is alive and stronger today than at any point in the history of the world. Hopefully the atrocities of WWII will show people what the National Socialists think of anyone who believes in the reality of God, and what they plan to do with those will not submit to a government of human beings who delude themselves in thinking they are gods on earth.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:26 AM
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only people under the age of 30 even question if it happened

way to many people who lived through it and told there 1st hand experiances
to even consider such a dumb question

of course it happened

and anyone who thinks it didnt is a frikin racist



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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You joined just to say that. Congratulations! As of now, exactly 100% of your posts on this site are stupid.

READ THE THREAD, guy.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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Wow, so sad to see people now don't even bother reading posts anymore, just responding to titles......
Has ATS been taken over by retards this summer or something?

I can't be the only one that at the very least reads the post.... If it's a short thread when I jump in, I actually read the whole thread before responding *gasp*
edit on Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:47:17 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by OrphenFire

So, yes, the holocaust happened. History clearly shows us that it did with the photographed evidence, written evidence, eye witnesses (still alive to give their testimony) and the filmed evidence.


Can you show me this evidence though? Ok and I don't mean a few pictures of skin-and-bones starving people or some bodies piled up. That's no proof. It's all about context. I can go and take a picture of a tree in my backyard and claim the photo was taken in Japan. Who's going to know the difference? See, you have to take my word for it. In fact, this is funny. I was at the library one time reading a holocaust book and they had a picture of a guy sitting down who was starving so bad and so skinny it was disgusting how you could see his bones. They claimed it was taken in one of the concentration camps in Poland. Out of a stroke of luck, I was watching a show on the history channel last week about the civil war and some civil war prisons, and they showed the same exact picture, claiming it to be a union soldier locked up in a southern prison camp. SO WHICH IS IT? HEH.



I would be interested in seeing the filmed evidence though. Seriously. I've never seen it.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
Wow, so sad to see people now don't even bother reading posts anymore, just responding to titles......
Has ATS been taken over by retards this summer or something?

I can't be the only one that at the very least reads the post.... If it's a short thread when I jump in, I actually read the whole thread before responding *gasp*
edit on Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:47:17 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)


why are so many people complaining about this

the title of the damm thread is DID THE HOLOCAUST REALLY HAPPEN?

dont ask a question if you dont want answers



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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Forums used to be about reading and responding to posts...... Not about reading a title, then skipping past the whole topic and just responding out of emotion to the title..... Am I in the twilight zone? Dimension slip?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:05 AM
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well a title like that brings an immediate kneejerk reaction to people

and most people think its such a dumb question they dont care to read the thread



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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If one reads Holocust as meaning that millions of people died and that millions of jews died, then yes ... there most certainly was a holocust.

But if you read it, as in the biblical meaning of it, then there is an absolute and most certainly a reason to debate wether it existed or not. If you do not understand what the "biblical" term of Holocust means, I urge you to go and read it. Because the word "Holocust" is a biblical meaning, that puts a twist in the entire situation ... that most certainly needs to be debated. Because it puts into question "who are the real jews". If the term "Holocust" is true ... because the Jews were not exterminated, nor were they in danger of being exterminated.

Just as using the word "Holocust" on the muslims is wrong ... because this word, is referring to a specific Biblical episode ... and cannot, and should not be used in any other meaning. It refers to an era, where the races of the world will "exterminate" Gods people, and predate Gods return to earth ... to exterminate the human races. Well, basically ... it pre-dates the return of the "real Messiah", who will turn the entire world into hell, and build a haven around Jerusalem. That's in a nutshell.

That is why people debate the use of the word "Holocust", even amongst jews ... nobody in his right mind, is debating wether millions of people were murdered in Europe during WWII. There were 50 million people murdered in Europe, during WWII.

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by jrmcleod
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I'm NOT denying that the Holocaust never occurred but posting a couple of images without any source really doesn't do it for ATS members.

What i will say on the matter is that 90% of all those dead people look like they starved to death...

Did the holocaust happen? I don't know, i have seen documentaries on it and to be honest i can't seem to make up my mind totally...and to be honest it serves NO purpose for me to make up my mind, it is in the past...and there it shall remain!


How many times have we been told, and learned, that those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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You don't have to believe it, and apparently from the opening remarks, people were even questioning the holocaust WAY back when it took place.

You could say these videos were manufactured or fake. Maybe they are. But this is just a piece of the video evidence of the holocaust. We have photos, videos, and testimonials of the aftermath of the holocaust. I believe there are videos from camps before the allies raided, that is, Nazi German made videos which chronicled some of the horrors that took place, but I can't be sure. It just seems as if I saw some footage years ago which claimed to be exactly that. Maybe you can google around for such footage.

EDIT:
Here is some footage.


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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by MommyWoman
How many times have we been told, and learned, that those who do not learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.


I think you should "carefully" investigate your choice of wording here, if you have the intellect to do so...

Doesn't this mean, that you haven't learned much at all? Didn't the US go war, and is still at war, with the world ... and hasn't it left radiation sickness in it's wage, that is even today, allowing infants be born deformed?

Is this what history has tought you, to use the word "Holocust" as an excuse, that as long is it ain't Jews you are murdering ... then it's ok?



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