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Did the Holocaust Really Happen?

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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 04:20 AM
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I think the reason for the touchy responses to your thread can be attributed to your title, OP. The Holocaust is an emotional subject, and I think anything pertaining to it needs to handled in a delicate manner. The title of your post is misleading and is bound to evoke anger, which causes people to respond quickly rather than reading through what you wrote. Anger is a difficult emotion to quell and you have to expect some will be shooting from the hip.




posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 05:13 AM
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Using the tactics the Nazi themselves used to try and cover up history is shameful, but not unexpected. Enough documented evidence was left in this thread, in the OP as well as in the videos to crush all these false accusations. For anyone who did not see the videos, here they are again. I ask the honest-hearted to take the time to watch them for yourselves. Do NOT listen to the lies. You do not have to be like those who listened to the lies and were beguiled by Hitler.

Excert found on YouTube of the documentary released in Britain called Purple Triangles (the symbol assigned to and worn by all Jehovah's Witnesses in the concentration camps.)




Jehovah's Witnesses Stand Firm Against Nazi Assault. I was able to find the whole video on YouTube:









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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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Originally posted by U4ea82
I think the reason for the touchy responses to your thread can be attributed to your title, OP. The Holocaust is an emotional subject, and I think anything pertaining to it needs to handled in a delicate manner. The title of your post is misleading and is bound to evoke anger, which causes people to respond quickly rather than reading through what you wrote. Anger is a difficult emotion to quell and you have to expect some will be shooting from the hip.


The question was left to be answered because of the accusations raised by certain members on this board. The accusations were documented in the beginning of the OP and even linked to, and then were crushed with facts and evidence. It was never the intention for it to be anything else, and just reading a paragraph or two into the OP would show that to be the case. In any event, many peoples eyes were opened to the truths of what we faced during WWII.

I did not expect to receive any responses to my OP, little less any stars or flags. That so many were given shows that a great witness for truth was given, and that leaves me with contentment.
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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
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Because the OP wrote the perfect piece of knee jerk bait. And look how many knee jerkers he caught.

Deny ignorance, indeed! How do they do it when they ignored the entire opening post? LOL


I echo your sentiment. Reading several comments on this thread provides a glimpse on the nature of member's ignorance who dont read beyond the headline.

OP have provided some interesting events which I was unaware of previously. Thank you for sharing it.
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posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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What false accusations? See the difference between myself and others that have written here is I understand JW tactics.

No where in my post did I deny that JW's were killed, but what I did point out is that if you are going to stand on the side of those that were killed, then you have to add why they were chosen, without leaving out that the JW/Organization playing their part.

Your movie is a JW video, produced/written by the society in the late 90's. I am asking what is your true intent? Those that understand witnesses can see through this.

I find it extremely offense that you would so openly speak of the atrocities of these poor people, and then give praise to the organization that played a huge part.

Peace, NRE.



posted on Jul, 21 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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I believe it happened, in a physical sense. The motive is to be debated. I recently had an epiphany that the holocaust was a breeding ground for developing AIDS in a contained area. If you look at the victims they all seem to look starved and malnourished, which is in itself a crime against humanity but lets give the Nazis some scientific merit, doesn't starvation seem to be a little too easy and passé?
Eugeniclly entire continents were very accepting of the method of weeding out the weak to ensure the strong lived on during the turn of the century and into the 1940s through eugenics, so were the Jews entirely excluded from these methods during this time?
If you haven't notice there seems to be a lot of kickback.
Erving Johnson, in my eyes is the latest Sammy Davis Jr, a black Jew. He contracted HIV in 1990 at the twilight of his physical peak in his profession and now, still alive, is a billionaire, who's best buddy Michael Jordan let himself be filmed on an airplane while wearing a Hitler stache, who also seems to be a poster boy for corporate dominance, who's rookie year was coincidentally 1984. (War is Peace Freedom is Slavery)
Everything is relative because we are all relatives.
So in closing I do believe (nothing but understand everything)



posted on Mar, 22 2013 @ 08:38 AM
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posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 03:49 AM
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I feel that the mere existence of this thread is an insult to human history and all the people who suffered in those days.

I feel ashamed that this wasn´t immediately closed by the mods. I know we should be able to talk about everything, but I think there are limits.

Denying the holocaust is one of the most absurd, unintelligent and cruel things to do.

The mountain of documents and witnesses, some still alive today, does not even warrant a discussion about this.

After finding this thread, I am ashamed to be a member of a community where threads like these reach almost 20 pages.

Ashamed.



posted on Apr, 1 2013 @ 03:57 AM
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A holocaust happened, a holocaust of human beings, tens of millions of them, of every religion, race and creed



posted on Apr, 2 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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Now you are getting into my area and I feel a need to straighten the road so to speak. The Third Reich's deliberate attempt to judenfrei the occupied east, particularly Poland, are well documented with personal reflections and photographs. The problem is that this behavior itself becomes an apologia for the crimes of other nations involved in the conflict that was the Second World War. The never-ending attempts-politically motivated-to seal the fate of European Jews as the one and only area of war crimes in WWII leads many to the disillusion of the facts of the actions of the Reich.

The barbarity of the human species knows no end-in fact-it's always evolving into new a better ways to inflict harm, pain and death to those of oppression. To singularly focus on one event, to the exclusion of all others, as being the 'menschenschrek' of all human history, leads to the belief that it was all improvisational-which, of course, it was.

It pains me to ask why should I have more of my tax money spent on another museum, highlighting actions already overly shined upon, to the exclusion to other horrors committed by the ones who are buildings the placements in the first place?

There is not a structure down the street to highlight the galloping psychos that was the young United States of America who kidnapped the children of Native American tribes, infecting them with smallpox, then returning them to the tribe to kill tens of thousands through a long and painful suffering death. The suffering was intentional!

Globocnik made it perfectly clear at Jozefow that the job of the reserve units was to "kill Jews not to torture, beat or humiliate them".

Finally, There has never been a comprehensive, objective study done on the attempts to free Europe from Jewry (judenfrei) in 1941-1944 and there never will be because it will only serve to highlight things that are politically unacceptable. Guilt being the most obvious.



posted on Apr, 3 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
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I feel that the mere existence of this thread is an insult to human history and all the people who suffered in those days.

I feel ashamed that this wasn´t immediately closed by the mods. I know we should be able to talk about everything, but I think there are limits.

Denying the holocaust is one of the most absurd, unintelligent and cruel things to do.

The mountain of documents and witnesses, some still alive today, does not even warrant a discussion about this.

After finding this thread, I am ashamed to be a member of a community where threads like these reach almost 20 pages.

Ashamed.


You didn't actually read anything did you? The obvious answer is no, because when you do if you actually decide to read the OP, you will be more than a bit embarrassed by the false accusations you just threw out.



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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YES, it happened.
Deniers have an agenda to re-write history for whatever reasons.

Here is a chart of all the different people the Nazi's hated.



Some had a choice many others did not.
But imprisoned in concentration camps and then death is a great equalizer of humanity, regardless of why a person was there. This movie is sad and very thought provoking on the subject The Boy in the Stiped Pajamas



posted on Apr, 9 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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Yes. But it is not what you think it is.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 06:06 AM
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I feel disgusted that you can even pose such a ridiculous question. Disgusted.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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I have to weigh in again and sorry if I reiterate many of my previous points. Evil exists in all religions and all races. I think that any group that plots to enslave humanity is evil and that is what I see from the zionists but this is a digression.
What is NAZI = National Socialist + Zionist. Do I believe there was a holocaust; absolutely. Do I believe in human skin lampshades, shrunken heads and zyklon B gas in shower heads; no more than Santa Claus. We talk about the extermination of 6 million jew in the second world war. If this is the real holocaust and the only holocaust then why is it illegal to question the holocaust. I was taught that truth does not fear investigation. Why then is it than in so many countries including Austria, Germany,Canada and others is it legal to question and challenge the existence of God and Jesus Christ but not the holocaust. I hear people say revisionists are opportunists because most survivors of the so called "death camps" are now dead.
I also have to question why, if jews going to camps were slated for extermination, did they have to tag them and institute the assistance of IBM to keep an inventory. Why not just take them off the train and put them into the gas chambers. Surely the Germans with the technological resources of the time at their disposal could not some industrial engineer made the process efficient enough that an inventory control system was not needed.
Hitler resented the jews in Germany disproportionate to their numbers controlling so much of the government and economy. In America there is a similar resentment of the 1%; is this not natural.
We are shown photos of piles of dead bodies ready for disposition. We are told that these were all jews that had been gassed. Hunger was a real issue in Germany as supply lines were cut off by the allies. Many if not most of these bodies are not jews as contrary to popular belief, the camps contained, prisoners of war, dissidents and political prisoners who were not jewish.
Typhus was a big problem in the German work camps. It was carried by lice. For this reason it was common to see photos of people whose heads were shaved. Zyklon B gas was used as a disinfectant to delice clothing to control the spread of the disease. Many of the bodies in photos are victims of typhus. There are much more efficient ways to dispose of people than the use of zyklon B gas or from diesel exhaust as claimed.
This was supposedly the only holocaust in the war. What about the 50 million civilian casualties in Europe. There are no monuments to these and history treats this as a non event.
Hitler by his own words wanted a jew free Europe, not to exterminate the race. The zionists who are the instigators of the holocaust like to make this claim just as the twist the words of Almadinejad of Iran. He was never against a separate state for the jews. Kenya and Madagascar were mentioned but rejected. Deals such as the 1934 transfer agg't was made to transfer property from Germany to Palestine to encourage immigration of jews to Palestine.
People need to study the relationship between the zionists and Nazis. Who has a motive here. The Zionists wanted a state of Israel in Palestine. If they could create the myth of a persecuted people then world public opinion would be on their side. Not even Red Cross official figures match the 6 million number. In reality there were Jewish officers in Hitler's army and many enlisted jewish soldiers. Why would they fight for Germany if , they had a bulls eye on their forehead. Why did the zionists stop other countries including the US in the early 30's from allowing jewish immigrants to enter these countries. It was to force jews to move to Palestine so they could justify Israel.
Instead we have a cover-up on a grander scale than 9/11. We are not allowed to question the official story, without fear of retribution or reprisal. Men like Ernst Zundel, and Gemar Rudolf who had the courage to stand up and investigate and went to jail for their courage. Why? These men are not racists, they have the facts, they have done the homework and they seek the truth. They are not some southern rednecks in white hooded frocks full of vitriolic hatred. They are intelligent articulate, well educated men, and have the facts and evidence to support their claims. The holocaust is not self evident, like one of Newton's laws. Certainly civilian jews died in WW2 and that is a tragedy. 30 million Russians dying under the Bolshevik regime in Russia is no less a tragedy. Pol Pots slaughter of millions of his people too is a tragedy. 1.7 million germans dying in Eisenhowers pow camps is equally a tragedy. What makes the holocaust so special. I suspect there is a greater agenda here.



posted on Apr, 19 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Nightaudit
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I feel disgusted that you can even pose such a ridiculous question. Disgusted.


As has been pointed out about 50 other times in this thread:

'You didn't read anything in the OP, did you?'

How can you be disgusted by a group of people who not only documented the holocaust for posterity, but were the only group as a whole that stood up against Hitler, and were the only group of people that could have gotten out of the concentration camps by just signing a letter renouncing their faith in Jehovah? Rather they preferred to show love in their fellow-man, and love in God.

This is true Christian fruits from the Bible in action. If you feel disgusted by it, if you actually read the OP, then you sir are a shameful person.

If you didn't read the OP and are typing biased and prejudiced opinions, that helps me understand more your comments on my other thread, you aren't reading anything. That too is too bad.
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