Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
And that isn't even the point...I'm going to be forced to give up my really great healthcare for this crappy one....that is the point, I don't need it, but they felt it needed to be a mandate to the point they will tax me if I don't use it....

Is there anyone here that sees any sense in that?

edit on 28-6-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)

That's great you have really good healthcare because most of America doesn't. And how is this law going to take away your really good Heathcare?

The root of healthcare problems in the United States is lack of healthcare access, and this bill does nothing in regards to access to healthcare. It did nothing to put more internal medicine MD's, family practice docs, or pediatricians on the streets. No provisions for rural healthcare in remote areas of the country. Epic Fail!

Originally posted by nenothtu


Doesn't matter. The Republican "front runner" is the same guy who PIONEERED this mess in his own state. Do you really think I'm going to trust him to "fix" it?

Nothing wrong with Romney care. It was a state level program voted by those within that state and only affected those in that state. If you voted "no" on it and didn't like the end result you could just move to a state with programs and laws you do like...

Where do you go if you do not like Obamacare?

Originally posted by Cosmic911
The root of healthcare problems in the United States is lack of healthcare access, and this bill does nothing in regards to access to healthcare. It did nothing to put more internal medicine MD's, family practice docs, or pediatricians on the streets. No provisions for rural healthcare in remote areas of the country. Epic Fail!

You are so misinformed, cost is the major issue for lack of healthcare.

Health Care Statistics in the United States Health Insurance The United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system. Source: Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences In 2006, the percentage of Americans without health insurance was 15.8%, or approximately 47 million uninsured people. Source: US Census Bureau Among the 84.2% with health insurance in 2006, coverage was provided through an employer 59.7%, purchased individually 9.1%, and 27.0% was government funded (Medicare, Medicaid, Military). (There is some overlap in coverage figures.) Source: US Census Bureau The primary reason given for lack of health insurance coverage in 2005 was cost (more than 50%), lost job or a change in employment (24%), Medicaid benefits stopped (10%), ineligibility for family insurance coverage due to age or leaving school (8%). Source: National Center for Health Statistics More than 40 million adults stated that they needed but did not receive one or more of these health services (medical care, prescription medicines, mental health care, dental care, or eyeglasses) in 2005 because they could not afford it. Source: National Center for Health Statistics Medicaid, which accounted for 12.9% of health care coverage in 2006, is a health insurance program jointly funded by the federal and state governments to provide health care for qualifying low-income individuals. Source: US Census Bureau Medicare, a federally funded health insurance program that covers the health care of most individuals 65 years of age and over and disabled persons, accounted for 13.6% of health care coverage in 2006. Source: US Census Bureau Medicare operates with 3% overhead, non-profit insurance 16% overhead, and private (for-profit) insurance 26% overhead. Source: Journal of American Medicine 2007

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I know this is from 2007 but the economy is so much worse off now.

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by marg6043

 

I once wondered why the IRS was selected as the Obamacare enforcer in the fist place. It all makes sense now. They knew it was a tax from the onset and decided to play the name game and Obama 3 card Monte instead. The slight of hand game that was played on the nation and the fact that very few congressmen even read it before voting on it in the first place.

Was this Pelosi's original surprise that she alluded to. I hope your right with the whole Roberts theory!!!!

Yep! They KNEW it was a tax from the start, but Obama knew by painting it as such, the horse would be dead before it got out of the gate. That "wascally wabbit"!! He's a liar and a cheat, imo, but we AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN' yet if he gets a second term.

It's about time the United States of selfishness and inhumanity started catching up with the rest of the world.

Maybe soon the rate of infant mortality in the United States will catch up with Pakistan and North Korea!!

Originally posted by habitforming

Originally posted by nenothtu

NO.

Your "freedoms" are NOT intact. When they can FORCE you to do business with a private company, your freedom is no longer in existence.

The technical name for that is, I believe, "fascism". You hug it if you want - I'm not going to.

have you hugged your fascist today?

I already pay for it and so do you. We pay high ass premiums to pay for the uninsured. I for one, am sick of paying too much for my treatment just to cover someone else. Now they will have to cover their own ass and I can go back to just paying for me.

Please tell me how you were not forced into it before.

Like hell I do.

I pay NO premiums, neither high, low, nor median. Nor do I pay my visits to corporate butcher shops with the big red crosses on the roofs. You can do as you please, but you can bet your last dollar that I won't be participating in your lotto, nor will I be paying any "tax" for the privilege of breathing.

This ruling changes nothing for me. I'll still go down swinging against Obamacare.

Originally posted by dxdydz

Nothing is free we all know that.
But we are social creatures that rely on one another.
Would you rather sell yourself to a for profit corporation or just pool resources amongst your fellow man to take care of one another.

I would rather have my choice since I can afford it, and then focus on those who do not have a choice. I do not want to "pool" my money with others unless they bring the same to the table, but I'm willing to help others, but a mandate takes all that away doesn't it?

It is easy to be the one that wants the "pool" when that one bring the least to the "pool".

Yes I'm a social creature...it's called family and friends and when I'm forced to pay for things I do not need and that takes away from what I can do for my family and friends then it kind of pisses me off...

How about you?

Originally posted by Djayed

That's great you have really good healthcare because most of America doesn't. And how is this law going to take away your really good Heathcare?

My company will drop that really good healthcare and pay the tax/penalty instead, smart math on their part... and over time really good healthcare will go out of business and only Obamacare and super rich healthcare will be left.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by nenothtu


Doesn't matter. The Republican "front runner" is the same guy who PIONEERED this mess in his own state. Do you really think I'm going to trust him to "fix" it?

Nothing wrong with Romney care. It was a state level program voted by those within that state and only affected those in that state. If you voted "no" on it and didn't like the end result you could just move to a state with programs and laws you do like...

Where do you go if you do not like Obamacare?

edit on 28-6-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)

move to mexico?

reply to post by Xtrozero


You can afford it because you are lucky not because you worked hard as you would believe. It's luck dude.

Originally posted by dxdydz
You can afford it because you are lucky not because you worked hard as you would believe. It's luck dude.

Yep all luck....NOT!

No such thing as luck....

It is actually called timing and it could be just an instant of your life, and if you are not ready when it comes then it passes you by...

EVERYONE gets it, but few are ready when it comes....


BTW you don't sound very old thinking it is all luck...

Originally posted by dxdydz
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

You can afford it because you are lucky not because you worked hard as you would believe. It's luck dude.

How is it that ghetto dwellers tend to be more 'unlucky'.

Do you think work has nothing to do with where you end up in life?

Come to think of it, WTF am I working? It was all luck that got me here, I should quit working for a living.

Originally posted by elitegamer23

move to mexico?

Maybe, but least if it was State level (where it should be and most likely would be good for some states) I wouldn't need to give up my citizenship to get away from it...lol

reply to post by Xtrozero


I've been lucky myself and so I'm calling it as it is. I've worked hard. Educated. Have had decent jobs. Been lucky not to have been ill. But at any point I can lose it all to sudden illness. I've been lucky. I'm one of the lucky ones. That is my point.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by elitegamer23

move to mexico?

Maybe, but least if it was State level (where it should be and most likely would be good for some states) I wouldn't need to give up my citizenship to get away from it...lol

I've never really heard of anyone moving from one state to another because of a states laws. none of the religious radicals in iowa have moved to any other state since gay marriage was passed.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Djayed

That's great you have really good healthcare because most of America doesn't. And how is this law going to take away your really good Heathcare?

My company will drop that really good healthcare and pay the tax/penalty instead, smart math on their part... and over time really good healthcare will go out of business and only Obamacare and super rich healthcare will be left.

edit on 28-6-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)

My boss has already promised to lay off 50 people as the first step. The next step will be dropping the health plan for all but the family members and upper tier employees. The guys left in the shop will eventually have to turn to the exchange in hopes of finding adequate coverage at a price they can afford. I shudder to think about the inept bureaucracy that will be put into place to run the health exchanges. It might make the TSA goons look like top notch professionals in comparison.

Originally posted by butcherguy


Do you think work has nothing to do with where you end up in life?

Come to think of it, WTF am I working? It was all luck that got me here, I should quit working for a living.

If I didn't have the education and skill sets I have today I would not have the job I have today. That education and skill sets took me a full 30 years to get. Looking back on my life, every job I had was because I had the ED and skills for that job, and since I continued to get better over the years so did my jobs...

I have a sister that hasn't worked for 30 plus years with zero skills and a 12th grade ED from the 70s and has basically little today, I guess she been unlucky....

But today is her lucky day with Obamacare...hmm I guess he was right....

Originally posted by elitegamer23

I've never really heard of anyone moving from one state to another because of a states laws. none of the religious radicals in iowa have moved to any other state since gay marriage was passed.

You've never heard of someone leaving their homestate due to their laws?

How about the countless people who leave high tax states for low to no tax states?

WHat about people who leave gun hating landfills like MA for more freedom friendly states?

Originally posted by Djayed

Originally posted by dxdydz
reply to post by Djayed

 

A better solution would have been to tax everyone and use it to give everyone free health care. They could have done it under national defense or just expanded medicare and medicaid for everyone.

I agree that is a much better solution! We just need to make change with our current system, I really hope Obamacare leads to your solution, but the republican party wouldn't have ever let that fly off the bat, way to much of a "socialist" change. I could just hear fox news....

That's still socialism and still forced redistribution of wealth.