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Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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To be honest...

I WILL NOT!!.. be strong armed into getting health insurance...

I am a veteran, and even now, I would refuse my medical options as a Vet...

I "choose" to let nature do it's thing..

I "choose" to die with honor, and dignity over some mealy mouthed fascists ruling, that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!...


You cannot "make" anyone get health insurance, you cannot make anyone do something they choose not to do, and I cost "nobody" anything, because I would rather go walk out into the desert and die, then have another take care of me...

If I was hit by a car, and a gained consciousness in the ambulance ride, I would tell them I will sue them if they take me and touch me any further, to simply remove all life saving equipment, and let nature do it's thing, no matter how painful it is in the beginning, in the end, it is always an easy death (and that is basic medical class 101)...

If I die, just throw the body into a wood chipper, and use it for fertilizer (or for throwing at congressmen/women and POTUS, whatever you choose to do with it), because it is nothing more then a slab of meat at that time, and I will have moved onto bigger and better things by then...

I refuse to buy medical insurance, and I refuse to be forced to buy it, I will not sign a waver, and I would rather die of starvation then be told what to do by a "nanny state" system....

This is utter BS, and nothing I will be a part of...




posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by LastProphet527
All of this because Obama wanted every American to have health care!
Shameful how this world is.


You are wrong....

He wants everyone to have insurance......big difference my friend, and "healthcare" has little tto do with it.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by kosmicjack
I really don't see how auto insurance can be mandated but to do so with health care is unconstitutional? Uninsured citizens cost the industry billions and raise the health care costs for the rest of us. If one is unconstitutional shouldn't the other also be unconstitutional?

Furthermore I'm disgusted that nine individuals decide the entire direction of our country.


ETA: CNN: Court may uphold the mandate through a tax clause....
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If you read most state laws on auto insurance you would find that purchasing auto insurance is not mandated. Rather, if you chose to drive a vehicle you must be able to cover the losses of another person in case you hurt someone. You can generally do this one of two ways; buy insurance, or be self insured. Most big corporations do not pay taxes on their vehicles, as they have enough in the bank to cover the minimum insured amount set by legislatures.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Indigo5

It only appears insane in the context of the extreme far right rhetoric you have been steadily fed for the past three years. The world is not ending, your "freedoms" are intact and providing healthcare for sick people the way every other developed nation on the planet does is not the end of America.



NO.

Your "freedoms" are NOT intact. When they can FORCE you to do business with a private company, your freedom is no longer in existence.

The technical name for that is, I believe, "fascism". You hug it if you want - I'm not going to.

have you hugged your fascist today?


THANK YOU for using the correct term. It drives me nuts when I hear people talking about how this is "socialism" or "communism". It gives good, hard working Market Socialists a bad name.


Meh, they're all collectivists - it's just a matter of who gets the "redistributed" ill-gotten gains in the end. Still, I prefer to keep my bad guys in their proper niches - what works against one variety may not work against the other.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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I hope my State parts from the Union. I am tired of Obama. All empires fall , you can call it natural selection. Your strong one day weak the next. Everything loses.

I want to part from the Union personally , however , i wont be doing it unless my State parts from it.

Lets make it really about State's rights. We had one civil war , if we gotta have another , so be it.
edit on 28-6-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by St Udio

you as a sty-at-home-maker will need to get a coverage or fall into the nanny-state category and get govt sponsered health care that will have death panels to decide IF you will be permitted the extradinary care needed in your case-- if extradinary care is indeed needed


You want to know what the worst part is? You're private insurance company already HAS a death panel that's been refusing care, weaseling out of "pre-existing" conditions, and labeling any treatment too expensive as "experimental" for years.

Americans haven't been anything except slaves and cannon fodder since at least November 22, 1963...and arguably quite a bit longer than that as well.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 

All of this because Obama wanted every American to have health care!
Shameful how this world is.


Your fricking kidding right? He JUST granted amnesty to 800,000 young adults and now they get free healthcare too?

Wow,what a country.

And I saw a young new American on TV saying how proud she was that she got her degree, and can now say she's an American.

Who paid for her education her first 12 years in school? ME! And I had to pull MY kid out of public school because 80% of the kids didn't speak English and it was a waste of her time!
Did the teacher care? Nope... They're my buddies. They'd come into the restaraunt laughing their ASSES off, telling me I was working too hard, and become a teacher because of the pensions.

It was ALL about the pensions and Nancy Pelosi.

Don't get me started. And NO, I'm not a republican,and I don't want people dieing in the streets.


This redistribution wealth thing ain't working in California.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by niceguybob

It was ALL about the pensions and Nancy Pelosi.

Don't get me started. And NO, I'm not a republican,and I don't want people dieing in the streets.


This redistribution wealth thing ain't working in California.



Nor is it in OR

Get this for pensions... A college professor worked in a OR college for 16 years and retired in 1999 with a last pay check of 61k...this year his pay and bennies will be 210k...

This is why OR is laying off 350 teachers and increasing class sizes to 32 to 35 per one teacher...also laid off like 100 cops etc.


People just do not understand the money needs to come from somewhere and its our pockets...They act like it is unlimited pot...My pocket does have a bottom I hate to say...



edit on 28-6-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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I'm with ya, bro. Good to know that I won't be the only one getting dropped in the chipper by The Man when that evil day comes.

As near as I can tell, it's just you and me out of around 300 million. It's a shame, but it is what it is. At least we won't be betraying our ancestors when it's our turn at bat.

Not many that can say that any more, it appears.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by niceguybob

Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 

All of this because Obama wanted every American to have health care!
Shameful how this world is.


Your fricking kidding right? He JUST granted amnesty to 800,000 young adults and now they get free healthcare too?

Wow,what a country.

And I saw a young new American on TV saying how proud she was that she got her degree, and can now say she's an American.

Who paid for her education her first 12 years in school? ME! And I had to pull MY kid out of public school because 80% of the kids didn't speak English and it was a waste of her time!
Did the teacher care? Nope... They're my buddies. They'd come into the restaraunt laughing their ASSES off, telling me I was working too hard, and become a teacher because of the pensions.

It was ALL about the pensions and Nancy Pelosi.

Don't get me started. And NO, I'm not a republican,and I don't want people dieing in the streets.


This redistribution wealth thing ain't working in California.



Why are you so selfish, you should be proud you helped some one out, like, what’s wrong with that...like, not really understanding your SELFISH, SELFNESS, UNGODLY UNRIGHTEOUS ATTITUDE SIR !.

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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I dont think you understand what Charity is . It isnt Charity if your forced to give it ......

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The Charity of the Bible is that the Lord will provide and to let the person in need come into your field and pick the fruit he needs himself and then leave , not for me to do it for him.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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No one is going to keep you from the desert or the wood chipper if you choose that end.

Believe it or not, it's not all about you. This has little to nothing to do with you, you are free to go down in flames. This is about improving one of the worst things about our nation at the moment, countless people will benefit. Sad that so many think only about their interests,

p.s., thank you for serving our country.
edit on 6/28/2012 by AkumaStreak because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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OutKast,[snip]? I bet you have. Just wait, buddy. This is not going to fare well for your saviour in DC. It's still unconstitutional, regardless of Roberts' mild stroke. November is coming.
edit on 29/6/12 by masqua because: Removed uncivil comment



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by QuantifedInfinity
 


I'm with ya, bro. Good to know that I won't be the only one getting dropped in the chipper by The Man when that evil day comes.

As near as I can tell, it's just you and me out of around 300 million. It's a shame, but it is what it is. At least we won't be betraying our ancestors when it's our turn at bat.

Not many that can say that any more, it appears.




Yeah.. many now are nothing more then a bunch of wussies that would rather bend over and smile while wiping their lips from the dribble while getting ready for the next pass round the serf table...

I'm old school, raised in the country, and death is not an issue, in fact, it is common, expected, and if I'm put into a situation where I have to choose death, or accept some miserable form of insurance, or other forms of "candy" thrown out there for myself and other to partake of, I will not hesitate to choose death, and the last words on my lips would be.. "If you think I'm a threat now, just wait until you think I'm dead!".....

I fear there is only a small group of us willing to move on, rather then be a part of some fascist and communistic nation...

Pisses me off that the blood of brothers in arms was spilled for the nation, only to have the very nation "spit" in the face of those who sacrificed for them...

This is going to get "very real" and neck deep in guano real soon now when the nation becomes literally divided over this BS act by a person who has no right to be in the seat of POTUS......

300 million people, and only a handful choose not to be babied, coddled, and hand held in life....



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by St Udio

you as a sty-at-home-maker will need to get a coverage or fall into the nanny-state category and get govt sponsered health care that will have death panels to decide IF you will be permitted the extradinary care needed in your case-- if extradinary care is indeed needed


You want to know what the worst part is? You're private insurance company already HAS a death panel that's been refusing care, weaseling out of "pre-existing" conditions, and labeling any treatment too expensive as "experimental" for years.

Americans haven't been anything except slaves and cannon fodder since at least November 22, 1963...and arguably quite a bit longer than that as well.



You sir speak the truth.

::claps::



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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We should all just get something rolling that can become some new law that:

:makes any public sector official, staffing, services used there of earning some kind of benefit have their salary or whatever benefit reduced to minimum wage level! No fleets of vehicles, you use your own car to drive back and forth. You pay for your own gas.

Maybe we would get some people in these positions that people will like and won't need all this protection from us...the people that voted them in..


I truely think the minimum wage for all offices and institutions, arms and tentacles of the the federal state and local governments woudl turn this place around...everyone else have fun its a free country!


history will tell you, even if you elect the smartest, ivy league people in...they just surround themselves with so much staffing and consultants... why even allow them to indulge themselves in believing they have something to offer an average citizen?

These types won't ever be able to fix this country, or make your life better... There is too much money to use an election system. The undesireables have control of who gets nominations.. Real change will never come using their perverted system.







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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by niceguybob
And I had to pull MY kid out of public school because 80% of the kids didn't speak English and it was a waste of her time!


You pulled your kid out of school because 80% of the kids spoke another language? I pay -extra- for that privilege.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by LastProphet527

Originally posted by niceguybob

Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 

All of this because Obama wanted every American to have health care!
Shameful how this world is.


Your fricking kidding right? He JUST granted amnesty to 800,000 young adults and now they get free healthcare too?

Wow,what a country.

And I saw a young new American on TV saying how proud she was that she got her degree, and can now say she's an American.

Who paid for her education her first 12 years in school? ME! And I had to pull MY kid out of public school because 80% of the kids didn't speak English and it was a waste of her time!
Did the teacher care? Nope... They're my buddies. They'd come into the restaraunt laughing their ASSES off, telling me I was working too hard, and become a teacher because of the pensions.

It was ALL about the pensions and Nancy Pelosi.

Don't get me started. And NO, I'm not a republican,and I don't want people dieing in the streets.


This redistribution wealth thing ain't working in California.



Why are you so selfish, you should be proud you helped some one out, like, what’s wrong with that...like, not really understanding your selfish, selfness, ungodly attitude.

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Let me explain it this way. One of my kids is mentally gifted. She graduated high school from 10th grade.
She's only 17 and has already finished 2 years of college with a 4.00 and thank god she's not a geek.
Ummmmmmm the colleges she wants to attend for the rest of her Pre-Med classes are out of cash here in California.
I have friends who died in Nam and Uncles in WW2. Nevermind whether we should have gone to Nam,Iraq,or Afghan. My friends,relatives and unknown soldiers have died for this country.

When did we give the POTUS the authority to give up our sovereign rights and protect U.S. citizens FIRST?

Humanity? Common man. Sam Kinnison had a great joke about Africans dieing in the desert. He told them to get the F out of the sand and move closer to where the food is.
My point? How the hell can we as Americans, pick and choose international battles, when we don't even take care of our own here first? Much less grant immunity and pay for anyone else?

Don't even say I have no compassion. If you want a new world order and government,your getting closer.
I'll let YOU figure out how to feed all 6 billion of us.
(I'm actually in the Hydroponics Industry trying to create more food)

My fellow Americans and kids come first.
But that's just me.
And I WANT to help the world. (And I AM)

Peace



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by AkumaStreak
reply to post by QuantifedInfinity
 


No one is going to keep you from the desert or the wood chipper if you choose that end.

Believe it or not, it's not all about you. This has little to nothing to do with you, you are free to go down in flames. This is about improving one of the worst things about our nation at the moment, countless people will benefit. Sad that so many think only about their interests,

p.s., thank you for serving our country.
edit on 6/28/2012 by AkumaStreak because: (no reason given)


Thats O.K... apparently I'm talking to someone that does not understand that freedom under the Constitution means that you are free to succeed AND fail!...

I choose to go my own path, my own way, afforded to myself by the Constitution, and if others want to follow some nimrod in the POTUS seat of their own accord.. then that is also their Constitutional right...

BUT however!!...

It is not the right of anyone in the sovereign u.s. to dictate policies for another, not by law, and not by "force" such as this ruling makes it...

Such is the Constitutional laws...

You say I think of myself.. YES I DO!!... fore if I cannot help myself, then I have no right or means to help others...

If I could help, I would.. it's called "donations" and those are private organizations ran by individuals, not by an overbearing governmental body..

As such, insurance is a gamble, that only pays off to the insurance companies share holders, and any way they can milk the government (i.e. our very taxes) they will....

If I choose to drive, and I cannot afford personal insurance costs to pay another f I hit them, or I have not enough in the bank to cover the expenses of another, then I cannot drive.. that is "choice"... this is not.. this is strong arm "Fascism"..

Every job I take, I refuse insurance, I refuse benefits, as it is always another that has to pay for them, if a job tries to even attempt to strong arm me into taking it, I quit immediately and give them as bad a rating as I can come up with whenever another asks me about them......

At some point.. you are going to have to take a "Stand".. fence sitting is no longer an option, it is getting to the point, whereas we all have to decide exactly "what" we are here to do..

Are you here to be serf for other pleasure?..

Or are you here to try and make a difference, take a stand, and be willing to die by it, regardless of pressure to do otherwise...

Pretty soon, this will all be nothing more then Black and white in choice, there will be no grey....



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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Wow this thread has like 1170 replies!

I guess everybody has an opinion but me.

I really don't have an opinion other than I wish I had insurance. I hurt my shoulder in Jan. and under my arm and a few of my ribs have been black and blue ever since. It doesn't hurt unless I lift something heavy or take a deep breath.

In Arizona there is a freeze on medical so a single white male is screwed. I applied but got denied. I don't have insurance at work and I just can't afford to pay cash. It's been bruised and sore for six months no idea what it is but I bet treatment will be expensive!

So for now I just suffer like millions of other Americans.




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