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Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by dxdydz
I've been lucky myself and so I'm calling it as it is. I've worked hard. Educated. Have had decent jobs. Been lucky not to have been ill. But at any point I can lose it all to sudden illness. I've been lucky. I'm one of the lucky ones. That is my point.


I'm a disabled vet...so not as lucky as you, but I made sure I had the whole money healthcare thing set....Was kind of a priority of mine to take care of my family, AND to make sure that continued on long after I'm gone.

That is my point...healthcare should be competitive and then that would make it affordable without the need for insurance other than catastrophic insurance, which would be very low premiums.

My kid spent 4 days in a private hospital in Manila, private room, fully staffed...the bill (drum roll please) was 350 bucks...

My wife had her tits done
it cost 6k, and was done in a major hospital, and the doc was a Rembrandt. If she had a gallbladder removed it would be 60k... get the picture?

One is competitive business without insurance and the other was insurance controlled all the way. One, I picked the Rembrandt to do my wife's tits, the other I would have no choice in who did it...



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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by AkumaStreak

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


I cant even believe this crap. How can they freaking force us to buy something?


Same way you force everyone else to pay when you get sick.


I've never forced anyone else to pay when I got sick.

It seems the healthy haven't the same respect for me, however,



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd

Originally posted by elitegamer23

I've never really heard of anyone moving from one state to another because of a states laws. none of the religious radicals in iowa have moved to any other state since gay marriage was passed.





You've never heard of someone leaving their homestate due to their laws?

How about the countless people who leave high tax states for low to no tax states?

WHat about people who leave gun hating landfills like MA for more freedom friendly states?


yeah I've never heard of anyone moving from their house to another state just so they can own a certain type of gun.

one thing that happens in america all the time is people talk big but it always seems to be just talk.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Move to Florida because of no state income tax, low property tax, gun laws...oh yah, beach, fishing and women



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
I've never really heard of anyone moving from one state to another because of a states laws. none of the religious radicals in iowa have moved to any other state since gay marriage was passed.



I moved from Oregon to Washington... I also will not live in a few states unless someone is willing to pay me way more than I'm worth.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23


yeah I've never heard of anyone moving from their house to another state just so they can own a certain type of gun.

one thing that happens in america all the time is people talk big but it always seems to be just talk.


You avoided answering the first part of my question:

Do you think people move out of high tax states to states with low to no income taxes?



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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I'm not as lucky as I may have presented myself. I've paid all my life into this system as well and received hardly anything back. I have my own health problems which are taking all my savings right now. In a few months I will not have money to buy my medications. My future is grim.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by elitegamer23
I've never really heard of anyone moving from one state to another because of a states laws. none of the religious radicals in iowa have moved to any other state since gay marriage was passed.



I moved from Oregon to Washington... I also will not live in a few states unless someone is willing to pay me way more than I'm worth.


well most people don't have the skill set you must have to find a good job so easily. what caused you to move from washington from oregon? I'm in the midwest so i don't have a clue what state laws would differ between the two.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by FreeFromTheHerd

Originally posted by elitegamer23


yeah I've never heard of anyone moving from their house to another state just so they can own a certain type of gun.

one thing that happens in america all the time is people talk big but it always seems to be just talk.


You avoided answering the first part of my question:

Do you think people move out of high tax states to states with low to no income taxes?


i didn't avoid your first question, just didn't care to reply to it because my answer would have been the same.
do i think rich people would move to avoid paying higher taxes , yes , but most people don't have such an option.

i think people live where they grow up or where they can find the best possible job after college.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by nenothtu


Doesn't matter. The Republican "front runner" is the same guy who PIONEERED this mess in his own state. Do you really think I'm going to trust him to "fix" it?



Nothing wrong with Romney care. It was a state level program voted by those within that state and only affected those in that state. If you voted "no" on it and didn't like the end result you could just move to a state with programs and laws you do like...

Where do you go if you do not like Obamacare?



Resist.

Not run away.

Resist.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by dxdydz

I'm not as lucky as I may have presented myself. I've paid all my life into this system as well and received hardly anything back. I have my own health problems which are taking all my savings right now. In a few months I will not have money to buy my medications. My future is grim.


The bottom line is I would have loved to have seen a program FOCUSED on you and others like you. The cost would not have been 600 billion to 2 trillion (they are just not sure yet) because it would not have needed to put EVERY person in it.

I said in a older post that paying more for YOU isn't really the big deal to me as much as the point that he has dictated what I will be forced to do.

I truly wish you the best and if Obamacare works out for you I am happy, but I think we could have done it better and cheaper by focusing on those, like you, who really need it.

Unfortunately I think it will help to only dig us deeper in the hole, but if you are helped then that is at least something I can say GREAT!. Do me a favor, send me a PM if it does help you, at least I can stomach it more if I knew that.




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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Indigo5

It only appears insane in the context of the extreme far right rhetoric you have been steadily fed for the past three years. The world is not ending, your "freedoms" are intact and providing healthcare for sick people the way every other developed nation on the planet does is not the end of America.



NO.

Your "freedoms" are NOT intact. When they can FORCE you to do business with a private company, your freedom is no longer in existence.

The technical name for that is, I believe, "fascism". You hug it if you want - I'm not going to.

have you hugged your fascist today?


THANK YOU for using the correct term. It drives me nuts when I hear people talking about how this is "socialism" or "communism". It gives good, hard working Market Socialists a bad name.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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I CAN TELL YOU ALL THIS. WE ARE NOW AT WAR WITH EACH OTHER. MARK MY WORDS, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A CIVIL WAR. IT WILL BE FOUGHT ON ALL LINES.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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That is why I call our system of government right now a full corporate dictatorship, once the corporate power took control of government they can pass laws at their will to benefits them while screwing the public and tax payers, mandate, tax and penalized everybody with a taxable income that can be controlled and trace.

What prof of that? that is what the Gestapo, I mean IRS is all about.



Right you are:


"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. "
-Benito Mussolini



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
well most people don't have the skill set you must have to find a good job so easily. what caused you to move from washington from oregon? I'm in the midwest so i don't have a clue what state laws would differ between the two.


11% flat tax in OR compared to zero tax in WA, better schools funded in WA, less crazy "New" hippies in WA.... I can also pump my own gas in WA, where in OR it is illegal.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Luck is where skill and opportunity meet.

I used to own a restaraunt. I had 2 guys working for me going to college. Pretty good guys, although stoners.
They'd come into the restaraunt when they had the "munchies" and eat,hang out, drink, kinda fun guys. Not bad workers when on the clock.

They came in one day with the L.A. Times and showed me the headlines that said "Minimum Wage Up .50cents an Hour in California" laughing their stoned asses off at me telling me I have to give them raises.

I looked at them and said "is THAT what you read?"

They said " don't give us your bullcrap, your OWNED pal, we get raises"

I said "What I read is the government is saying that you don't work hard enough. And based on your job performances, I have to increase ONE of your wages, and let the other go,that's what I read"

They went into "doooode, you can't do that."

I did.
It's NOT the .50cents an hour increase. It's the REST of the government witholding and insurance that costs.
It's real money.
This is not monopoly dough.

And for the record, anyone anywhere in the U.S. has always been able to walk into any emergency room in the Country and seek medical treatment. Period. Legal Illegal. What's your point?
Yeah Yeah, they BILL you.

I'm still not sure who is going to pay for this new found wealth of health insurance. The whole thing smells like politics. DUH! Get the votes from illegals,make them citizens,give them health insurance and sign the voter log?
WTF?

10 years ago: Health Insurance was about $500 bucks out of your paycheck with employer matched funds just for the employee.

5 years ago $900 per month.

Today? Same Blue Cross is $1300 for the same coverage. For what?

Same syringes,same aspirin,same doctors,same hospital bed,same salaries for doctors and nurses.

What went up?

Oh, we be spreading the wealth. Because we have compassion for our brothers and sisters.


Or we'll stick a drone up your ass for non-compliance! Or audit you,you rable rouser!

This is getting creepy.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:23 PM
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So with the recent ruling with the healthcare law and it's mandated "tax", how does the federal government impose a penalty on illegal aliens that do not file a income tax return? Seems that our border floodgates are even more open since this ruling. So why is it just healthcare that is deemed in our best interest, what about life insurance, or short term disability? Where does it stop? If the government wants to prop up a certain industry, they can mandate anything now with a tax. Thanks Administration, November will be another wake up call since you forgot what happened in 2010.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:23 PM
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All of this because Obama wanted every American to have health care!
Shameful how this world is.



posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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That is the problem. Obama wanted them to have healthcare. I dont see myself in that , i just see Obama.

I give my 800 dollars a month to Charity , i dont need you takin my money and given charity for me.
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posted on Jun, 28 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by kosmicjack
I really don't see how auto insurance can be mandated but to do so with health care is unconstitutional? Uninsured citizens cost the industry billions and raise the health care costs for the rest of us. If one is unconstitutional shouldn't the other also be unconstitutional?

Furthermore I'm disgusted that nine individuals decide the entire direction of our country.


ETA: CNN: Court may uphold the mandate through a tax clause....
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The whole healthcare industry is ridiculous in our country, but allowing for that being an "it is what it is" situation, I've always thought the same. Auto insurance is mandated (if you drive a vehicle), which is good because I don't want to be stuck with no car be ause some dirtbag who can't cover the repairs hits me.

I also don't want to pay for others' healthcare at extra-high rates with my tax money because they go with no money and no insurance to the ER everytime they get the sniffles and are treated on my dime. Do we want to deny basic healthcare? I don't, though I'm sure some would prefer suffering and death for the poor. Mandating coverage one way or another is fine, since it is such an absolute necessity, but then let's put in some cost controls. I've been sick once (needed a script for antibiotics) in the past 20 years. In that time, I and the company I worked for paid over $100,000 in insurance premiums.

I get the idea of spreading the risk around, but I don't appreciate my cost being the same as the McDonald's-eaters or alcoholics, or people who can't control their stress levels, or any other high-risk groups. Just the same, there are people with lower risk factors than mine. If there's no consideration on costs for any by-choice risk levels, then there is no motivation (from the health cost perspective.)



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