Healthcare Ruling: Individual Mandate Ruled CONSTITUTIONAL, entire law upheld.

reply to post by dawnstar


That is why the wording from the Supreme court ruling is so important, the government have to take this to congress and when it comes to passing taxes and increasing the powers of the IRS, well in election year is going to be a littler hard to sell to the public and tax payers.

I got the feeling that Roberts had an agenda behind the whole issue of Obamacare, either big pharma got to him or he just make it hard for Obama to win the elections in November then since Romney is already campaigning about the Obamacare repeal who will take this to congress? the new Republican president?

Interesting.

reply to post by marg6043


That's the theory I heard, Marg, that Roberts is playing a game of chess with this. He is labeling the Dems with the big scarlet "T" for tax...it's a dangerous game if that's what he is doing.

reply to post by Djayed


With respect to that it is great but at what cost. Meaning, we gave the government unlimited power to tell us what to do(buy) and penalize us if we don't comply. This is not the United States anymore that I grew up in.

A better solution would have been to tax everyone and use it to give everyone free health care. They could have done it under national defense or just expanded medicare and medicaid for everyone.

reply to post by butcherguy


i agree with you..why throw a blanket over everybody when its just a few that should get it...i keep trying to point out his/her misconception about 'if you get a paycheck you have healthcare' nonsense...maybe they just type to fast

that said..i use to manage restaurant, about 35-40 employees, they got paychecks but we couldnt afford a healthcare plan..there were other options for them other than registering with the county for medical aid....clinics that had sliding fees, alternative medicine, ect...i wonder what will happen to them?......people forget just how much a company is paying for its employees healthcare coverage

reply to post by Djayed


okay, so I found out I have cancer, tell me, please, how does this do me any good if I don't have the $$$ to pay what the insurance won't for the treatment?? go, check how much it would cost to treat cancer. I have an extra insurance policy just in case this happens that I pay myself!! It wouldn't affect our budget that much!! but I betcha it would put your finances well beyond the gutter!

the people cried out, they couldn't afford healthcare!! not as individuals trying to take care of our family, not as businesses trying to preserve the health insurance as a benefit that they can offer their employees, not as taxpayers trying to help the "poor", the elderly, and the disabled!! and all the gov't did was say tough luck!! fork over the cash!!!

Just thought I would jump in and say to those wanting to move country now that this has passed.

Don't come to Australia. Despite us having the best performing economy in the world at the moment, only 5% unemployment etc etc we have had this "scary" "socialist" healthcare system for a long time now.

Good luck in your search

reply to post by timetothink


Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know Americans, like I said before when people hear the word taxes they get scare but when they hear the word IRS they go into massive panic attack.

Originally posted by RSF77

I'm sure we can all agree that most of the people on or around the poverty line are the ones without insurance. This is just wrong, you can't go try to collect money from people who don't have any in the first place. Way to piss people off.

Like I said people have limits and they are screwing with the most chaotic group of people with not much to lose. They are telling people that because they are poor, they have to pay a tax. Wrong move.

Well, I'm among those "poor", but I've got everything I want. This matter of forcing me into the health insurance lotto is a matter of principle. I have what I want, and I just don't want the health insurance. Not a man alive will be able to force me to get it, either, regardless of what they think.

I'm perfectly willing to die first. Who wants to live forever anyhow? Who REALLY wants to live forever being told what to buy by an out of control government?

reply to post by freedom12


Driving as a privilege is what we are told.
Right to travel is entirely different, regardless of the means of transportation.

reply to post by MidKnight


I wonder what else the US Govt will force the American citizens to buy. It's laughable that they made it a tax.

Originally posted by travisirius
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Someone say small busnesses? Know what is new with this:
www.sfgate.com...

How about that? they're going to tax the small business AND the employees!

Is that what they call a "two scoop" cone?

So when the business fails, the employer has a ready-made brigade of out of work guerrillas. Way to go!

reply to post by aaron2209



I think your system is a bit different than ours.....
you pay a tax, and your healthcare is taken care of, to the best of the country's ability....

ours is, you buy the insurance, you are force to buy the insurance, regardless of it's cost, and the cost seems to go up on a yearly basis, at least. and well, weather or not you really get any healthcare depends on you being able to fork over more money for it! in the meantime, like someone said already, there are clinics and doctors that don't take insurance now, or run on sliding scales, it might be possible for one to be able to pay these lower fees. it is also possible that they might have been able to, before the gov't decided that you were intelligent enough to determine the best use for your money and decided that you should be forced to give it to what I am beginning to see as not much more than a ponzi scheme! add to that the headache of people crying foul because they don't believe that this insurance that we should all have must cover things that they are offended by (birth control) well, I got a feeling it falls far short of your system!

Originally posted by Bootyac
I dont care for the mumbo jumbo about socialism or what ever,all I know is that hopefully now I can go see someone who can provide me with the help I need,without paying some specialist $500 up front,JUST for a consultation.

Yep they suck you in thinking this is what you need because you or anyone else can't pay the bill out of pocket....Go to another country where that 500 cost you 40 bucks or less...could you pay then without insurance? I bet you could and that is the way it should be working...

Originally posted by underduck
I think some of you guys are missing the point. This is a HUGE human rights victory. Giving everyone right to health care is far more important than any petty squabbles we have with the current or past administrations.

right to healthcare? are you even in the same universe as the rest of us? this isn't about right to healthcare, this is about mandating the purchase of a product from a private company. this isn't giving free healthcare to all, this is requiring all to purchase healthcare.

The Obamacare plan, from a Canadian perspective seems to be a good one. The President had a televised conference with supporters and opponents of the plan and I have to say I was very impressed with the quality of the presentations on both sides.

I don't remember any of the opponents of the plan opposing it on the sort of ideological grounds being put forward in this discussion. Most of the opponents attacked it on the basis of trying to reduce costs of health care in America. The opponents saw it as a way to increase costs generally. They have a point. Big Pharma loves medicare because more people covered consume more of their products at an overall higher cost.

The great things about medicare are the side benefits to society. The reduction in costs that result from drastically reduced numbers of people forced into all kinds of situations, legal and illegal, due to "medical treatment bankruptcies".

Americans have a deficit when it comes to collective social responsibility. As individuals they can be great, kind and generous to a fault. But as a society they lack a sense of the big picture.

Here is an exaggerated example that helps make my point.

American troops rush the beaches on D-Day. Soon, under withering fire from the National Socialists, all covered by health care, cries of "Medic!" "Medic!" are heard from everywhere. Medics scamper to the aid of the wounded and when they get to one their first question is, "Can I see your insurance card, please?"

Socialist countries realize that everyday life is like D-Day for the society as a whole. The big picture. They can't afford to have the wounded pile up, and clutter up and clog up the day to D-Day issues of the society.

Hence Medicare.

Originally posted by Ookie
It is a tax I will never pay. Ever. Period end of discussion. I am not being forced to buy something. I will fight it with all my being. I asked over and over and I will ask again here, what document do those bozos read from? It can't be the constitution unless they have a different one than I do. Those "justices" need to tarred and feathered. TODAY. This cannot stand. It just can't. They do not have the right to tell me what I have to buy. No court can give them that right. No matter what. I'd rather go to jail.

Don't pay it. And when you get sick/experience a medical issue and are told that you can either lose your home, and pay off a 100K bill for the rest of your years, or pay back-tax penalty for the years you were so hardcore about what will essentially evolve into universal healthcare in our country, let's see what choice you make.

reply to post by dawnstar


Without being an expert on either the new US system or even ours for that matter, I could easily be wrong but what is happening over there sounds very much like what we have here.

We have both a public and private health systems co-existing.

People who opt for private health insurance get many more perks and are excluded from paying the Medicare Levy come tax time. Those without private health insurance do pay the Medicare Levy to substitute the public health system.

The Medicare Levy is based on income so those on low income don't pay but still have access to the Public Health System. That, I think, is the problem for a lot of people both there and here but for me it is simply a burden I must bare in order to be a part of a civilised, western country that looks after their citizens.

Like I said, there is obviously a lot more to it than I'm aware of and I am in no position to debate lol

Was just suggesting that certain people may have to cross Australia off their list if they are not a fan of "socialist" policies

Originally posted by mustangill
This is how they want you to think when actually, Health care cost are up because health care companies lobby congress to pass bills in their favor. The reason health care and meds are so high is not because it cost so much to make but it is because they "can" rip you the public off, Thats why people go across the border to get meds. Same way with the oil companies, look at the price of gas right now, it was higher than this the past two years during the summer but, why is it going down right now? Because their is a presidential race going on and big oil wants their man to win so, dropping oil prices makes him look good. Grab a book on public policy and you'll be amazed at whats inside.

Meds in the rest of the world is about 80% plus less in cost and it is the same meds....so who do you think is getting the huge profits?

You can't afford to pay 1000s for a doctor visit, you can't afford meds.... so lets bring in Obamacare and now we will tell you what you can have or more importantly not have...don't want to affect our profits....

Originally posted by Djayed
Don't we want to be the country we used to be, where we are ALL proud to be an American and most importantly we all respected our President.

Who was the last President worthy of our respect - how far back in your oninion would that be. I learned in the Army that respect is earned.

Intentionally pulling a bait and switch on the public is not very respect worthy IMO.

It's not a tax, it's not a tax...so he can get people to buy into it.

Then the court chalenges come and the commerce clause isn't looking so hot.

Oh wait we have the authority to do this because get this...its a tax.

WIN!

Who would respect a man who lies and cheats to get his legislation passed?

Not me.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I cant even believe this crap. How can they freaking force us to buy something?

Same way you force everyone else to pay when you get sick.