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Like it or not, Article VI of the US Constitution is still in force. It does not have an "except for county sheriffs" clause.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli
To my knowledge, it remained in effect as long as Mattis was the Sheriff.
But this isn't about the majority.
It doesn't work that way. US laws are presumed constitutional, until a US court decides otherwise.
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by frazzle
But this isn't about the majority.
So are you saying that it is about the majority of this minority.
Originally posted by randyvs
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Foriegn troops are in place
Originally posted by michaelbrux
I don't see that Liberty is being scaled back by the Federal Government. the Federal government has a huge footprint in Chicago and this states last two Governors are in Federal Prison for corruption, but other than that the average person barely ever sees or hears about anything like what many of you alleged they are doing.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
Of course the States are useful and the Counties and the Townships and the Cities and each should stay in its place. County Sheriffs belong in the Counties and they have no authority outside of them.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
What more liberty? what is it that exactly that you aren't able to do because of the Federal Government that is worth challenging them about?
Originally posted by michaelbrux
gay marriage is worth civil war, now? gun laws?
Originally posted by michaelbrux
Most in Chicago are not being taken care of by the Federal Government and this city is full of people that work and work hard.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
The issues you stated are certainly light and transient and no one has any good reason to make a major issue with their federal government.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
Blacks fought on the side of the Confederacy and the only First Lady of the Confederacy would be categorized as a Black woman today.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
As far as immigration, they should have kept the people that came here 150 years ago and after WWII out because they are the ones causing the most problems today.
Originally posted by michaelbrux
you people don't stand a chance.
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
I didn't grossly misrepresent anything. I only pointed out that the animating misunderstanding of this thread--the idea that sheriffs are the "supreme authority" in their county--is patently false. Within the Federal sphere, the supreme law in the US is US law, notwithstanding the laws of any state or any subdivision of a state.
What you seem to be saying is that there are laws that are unconstitutional, sheriffs can determine when a law is unconstitutional, therefore sheriffs can interfere with the Federal government's attempts to enforce those laws. (Or, in the imaginary outcome of Mattis, interfere with all Federal law enforcement.) If not you in particular, that seems to be the general belief here.
It doesn't work that way. US laws are presumed constitutional, until a US court decides otherwise. County sheriffs don't make that decision. To give county sheriffs the power of judicial review over Federal laws not only violates the tenets of federalism, but also separation of powers. In conflates state authority with Federal, and executive power with judicial. The people arguing for this super-supreme sheriff concept should just give up the pretense of legal authority and say what they mean--they want local officials to usurp Federal authority because they find Federal laws onerous.
Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli
To my knowledge, it remained in effect as long as Mattis was the Sheriff.
What, exactly, remained in effect? Everyone admits that Mattis had a policy stating that Federal agencies would tell him what they were up to. The policy doesn't actually say Mattis can or will interfere with Federal operations in any way. (Source.) It simply says, "Federal officers will notify us of what they are doing, if they want our help we will ask them some questions, and we will ask them please not to do anything during quiet time."
As you can see, the sheriff's policy was toothless. To Federal agencies, it was even less than toothless. A county sheriff's policy does not govern Federal agencies (there's that Article VI again). For the story to work out as the believers think it did, there must be Federal policy requiring notice be given to Mattis. Given the multitude of Federal agencies that would have to promulgate and implement this supposed rule, it shouldn't be hard to find such an example. Have any been found? IRS? ATF? FBI? USMS? USPIS? USSS? DEA?
I'm sure at least one agency or office made it a local rule to keep the sheriff up to date on their goings-on. But that doesn't make it a generalizable rule for all agencies and all sheriffs everywhere. And it certainly doesn't mean the sheriff gets to kick the Federal government out of the county if they don't copy him on all their email.