Western US Sheriffs gather to discuss their Constitutional authority.

Originally posted by LifeIsPeculiar
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

i've had enough contact with the police to feel confident that they operate well within the confines of the law. whether it be city cops, county sheriffs or CO's at the state correctional facilities.

Same with me. The Federals, on the other hand, are running amuck with power, and are making arbitrary rules that affect local people. Like, not allowing farmers to draw water from thier own wells or local rivers and canals. Would you prefer to have those trusty law enforcement people enforcing laws or rules established by folks far away that don't listen to you, or would you have them enforcing laws that were minted locally and with the will of The People?

Sheriffs, when the supreme law of the region, will enforce laws in accordance with the will of those who elected them. This all stems from the destruction of local farmers due to unrealistic inforcement of Unconstitutional laws by Federal agencies.

Do you wish to have no legal recourse to unconstitutional laws or rules?

May your chains bear lightly upon your wrists.

Please take an upper level course in ecology and then say that the Federal Government have no reason to be concerned with global water consumption by the people. Please understand as well that a Sheriff is not employing... nor has any concern with hiring environmental scientists that go about the land studying water pollution, water usage, etc. THAT'S why the Federal Government makes these calls.

But some people don't care how quickly we the people destroy the earth... as long as nobody can tell us what to do because we the people say so. THINK PLEASE.

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by LifeIsPeculiar

 

sheriffs are nothing special. their states are swamped with debt and every government in this land is little more than a debtor in possession.

maybe they should be having a meeting to figure out how they are going to pay back all that money they borrowed.

OH lets speak on debt, shall we? What money? Was it real bonds that had a collateral of some sort in real terms, OR is it the highly illegal international banking scheme of self appointed bankers that should be jail.

I would suggest ever leader clear the debt with legislation and simply go Venus Project, and the equality and send any foreign dissenters that visit, to the border and their exit from the real freedom and equality.

Its actually as simple as speaking up, disclosing, creating citizens groups, and signing away the crimes.

Goodbye artificial money system debt. It wasn't nice knowing you. Then everyone can have their own homes.

Originally posted by haarvik
Most people seem to forget that each state has it's own constitution. If that state's constitution gives the sheriff ultimate power in his jurisdiction, then he is the ultimate power for said county. Federal government or not.

End of story, no discussion, no misinterpretation.

The problem is that the federal government, who's authority should not override states authority, is doing just that.

The Constitution gives me the ultimate power of my household and yard... but that can be overridden by county court order.

The chain doesn't stop there... think about it.

That would be what I would do if ever elected. Free the country.

The Sheriff's if serious, should engage the public and disclose themselves.

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by haarvik

 

most people also forget, that the People, in this case, Americans, are exalted above all things in Heaven and on Earth in this Land.

So, it makes little difference.

the only people that will ever control anything in this land are the Americans.

not people that came here 200 years ago or yesterday; but Americans only. all the rest of your effort was in vain.

Exactly... the Americans in this country are the ones that pay federal taxes so that people can be employed to inspect and care for the country. The states don't want to do it themselves... the people don't want to do it themselves... so the Federal government does do it. The get reports from scientists and other employed positions and they take action on creating a better environment that we the people don't even care about! We jsut want to consume consume consume... you cant tell me what to do consume consume consume. Then when everything is shot to hell... die and not give a crap. Hey at least I was free... suffered horribly eating toxic food from that farmer who used toxic water on his crops. Doesn't matter though... because I was free.

Originally posted by michaelbrux

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

Liberty is not "bull crap". I'm all for the Federal Government stepping in and FREEING people from oppression, and adding MORE liberty to people, but when a state decides to add liberty, and the Federal Government becomes an oppressor, we have a problem.

Don't you think the people of any particular state should be able to decide how they want to live, so long as they aren't infringing on someone else's freedoms? Or, do you subscribe to the thought that we should just eliminate states, since they have no real meaning, and just let the Federal Government run everything?

I don't see that Liberty is being scaled back by the Federal Government. the Federal government has a huge footprint in Chicago and this states last two Governors are in Federal Prison for corruption, but other than that the average person barely ever sees or hears about anything like what many of you alleged they are doing.

Of course the States are useful and the Counties and the Townships and the Cities and each should stay in its place. County Sheriffs belong in the Counties and they have no authority outside of them.

What more liberty? what is it that exactly that you aren't able to do because of the Federal Government that is worth challenging them about?

gay marriage is worth civil war, now? gun laws?

There would be a civil war before the gun laws would ever be revoked and for once I can't say I blame Americans on that. Their plan to unleash these machete carrying, gangs on US won't work will it. There master plan isn't going down even if the economy crashes.

Originally posted by prophetboy12
If you want autonomy then you have to stop taking federal funds for anything. Any time the Fed Gov wants to give you money there are strings attached. they then tell you want you can do and what you will do. It is as simple as that.

STOP TAKING GOV'T FUNDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Use of tax dollar, which belongs to the people, for what the people require, to live in a decent world, has nothing whatsoever to do with freedoms. The feds live off the wages of their employees, the people. When you see Gov't funds you mean, people's funds, their joint inheritance and money's to shape their nations and provide their services. Government is just an overpaid mcdonalds worker.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by frazzle

 

Don't you just wish they'd get with the program and start inheriting. I hate to admit it, but I think that line might also have been dissolved in some potent koolaid. Like sugar.

We keep going along with their insanities and we'll all be drinking the koolaid sooner than later. It's insane to vote.

100% in agreement. They need to be shown that no one endorses them and have community groups, counsels of ciitzens, in every area, organized and preparing for a better world.

I don't vote for any criminals. They're all massive criminals, even the whitehats amongst them, for they are silent knowing the crimes of the others.

Originally posted by frazzle
Another thread made me think of something else a sheriff might be able to do ~ the one about "Leaked document reveals new power for multinational corporations, threatens US sovereignty."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm wondering if a sheriff might also have the authority to shut down a corporation that, say for instance, had no lawful authority to be operating in the US other than unconstitutional presidential fiat, or maybe just for breaking clean air/water laws, etc.

If it's within his county... then yes he does have authority to boot them for pollution. BUT.. a Sheriff isn't concerned... nor is he employing teams of scientists to find out if corporations are not regulating pollution correctly. The Federal government performs these tasks... and then when they step in and tell a farmer "no more water from this well because your crop watering is excessive and drying up the Colorado river" the Sheriff gets mad and calls a meeting about Federal government overstepping it's boundaries.

That was a hypothetical situation by the way... not the reason for this meeting... or is it?

reply to post by Unity_99

100% in agreement

I'm waiting to see if someone calls you an idiot and blames the whole mess on you.

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Oh I usually get weird slavers posting back to me, and tend to blame all the people who think like that for the mess we're in, because everyone is responsible for their political opinions, economic opinions, religion opinions and all the corrupt systems these opinions prop up. Their opinions have enslaved the planet.

I don't share their opinions. I think their opinions are absolutely criminal for they violate the only legal form of law there is, which is NOT corporate or navy law at all, or Roman law, it is common law, based on simple virtues, thou shalt not harm. Slavery, banks, money, abuse of others, all of this is murder and slavery and massive harm to others. Even someone who pays a bank for their home instead of rallies the community and world for their right to their land is caving into SLAVERY and massive illegal harm of others. You cannot cave in to criminals. Ever. There is no compromise possible with illegal murders and slavers.

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Their opinions have enslaved the planet.

Can anyone look ahead right now and feel good about what is coming ? I fail to see how anyone could.
Sucks ! But I am not optimistic about the near future.

reply to post by SilentKillah

But some people don't care how quickly we the people destroy the earth... as long as nobody can tell us what to do because we the people say so

I believe that the earth belongs to the living. Not only that, I have seen almost nothing done correctly by the Feds. They are abject morons with way too much power.

The Federal Government has power and authority in a manner consistent with what is required to carry out its mission. Not too little, not too much...but measured out just right.

they should just sit down with the Sheriffs and talk it over in private, away from all the camera's and public venues and everything can be sorted out.

people are truly insane if they think I would help to tear down my own walls.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
That's what they're trying to do, but the Feds keep infringing on THEIR authority. Get it?

And they have all the right to do so. The FBI are U.S. Police. Confusing them for District of Columbia Police Department maybe? Sounds like you're suggesting that the FBI should only have jurisdiction in DC to me. Sorry... not the case... they operate anywhere in the U.S. because they are U.S. police officers basically.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Lack of immigration enforcement and reluctance to protect the NATION'S borders. The Feds arresting people using a substance that THE PEOPLE of the State deemed LEGAL. Suing Stages and County Sheriff's for trying to uphold the law and protect the CITIZENS against illegal invaders. There are a couple...two of which are related.

Once again... they're U.S. police officers. Their jurisdiction is anywhere on U.S. soil. They don't follow state lays when conducting their operations... they follow Federal laws! I could see if you were arguing that County Sheriffs were arresting based on Federal laws when that's not their place.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3
Infringements of a person's liberty is always worth fighting for. Imagine if the Confederates had won, and black were still slaves. Now, consider a State decided it wanted to free the slaves, yet the Federal Government said, "Nope, you can't do that." Would you still tell the County Sheriff to "stay in his place"?

If a state wanted to free slaves... they can do so. State police officers wouldn't touch them. What possibly could the FBI come in and do... arrest black people walking on the street because they were not slaves? If they did... they wouldn't be following any Federal laws at all because there wasn't one in place stating that every black person MUST be a slave.

The Federal government is NOT forcing the state to regulate their state laws IAW U.S. Federal laws... but the FBI is regulating the U.S. Federal law that way that the Federal government should. Until Federal laws change... they have every right to do so in their jurisdiction which happens to be throughout the U.S.

Originally posted by SilentKillah

Originally posted by frazzle
Another thread made me think of something else a sheriff might be able to do ~ the one about "Leaked document reveals new power for multinational corporations, threatens US sovereignty."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm wondering if a sheriff might also have the authority to shut down a corporation that, say for instance, had no lawful authority to be operating in the US other than unconstitutional presidential fiat, or maybe just for breaking clean air/water laws, etc.

If it's within his county... then yes he does have authority to boot them for pollution. BUT.. a Sheriff isn't concerned... nor is he employing teams of scientists to find out if corporations are not regulating pollution correctly. The Federal government performs these tasks... and then when they step in and tell a farmer "no more water from this well because your crop watering is excessive and drying up the Colorado river" the Sheriff gets mad and calls a meeting about Federal government overstepping it's boundaries.

That was a hypothetical situation by the way... not the reason for this meeting... or is it?

It is not within a sheriff's duty to hire scientists to test water, however this is a case of problem, reaction, solution. Can you remember back when county extension specialists were responsible for dealing with the quality of food and water? Probably not. But these folks were experts in animal husbandry, healthy crops and water quality and chickens didn't have to have their beaks cut off so they couldn't peck themselves to death while being confined to a space no bigger than the damned chicken while being fattened up for KFC. But these specialists weren't federal, you see, and the feds wanted a way to "intervene". They not only found a way, they found a lot of supporters among city dwellers who know nothing about caring for the land.

The problem with Colorado water supply has more to do with farmers being driven off their land over many decades, which was then taken over by the big agra corps who grow your delicious genetically altered corn and e coli lickin' chicken etc. and dump toxic sludge from fertrilizers into the rivers. Oooooh, we've gotta have some more federal oversight, dontchasee. So all those former farmers and rural folks were driven into cities like Phoenix where all the water is used on golf courses and in swimming pools and then people cry, "OMG there isn't enough water to grow the foods we eat".

We have met the enemy and he is us.

Originally posted by LifeIsPeculiar
reply to post by SilentKillah

 

But some people don't care how quickly we the people destroy the earth... as long as nobody can tell us what to do because we the people say so

I believe that the earth belongs to the living. Not only that, I have seen almost nothing done correctly by the Feds. They are abject morons with way too much power.

Yes... to the living. Not humans that are effectively destroying populations of many other living creatures which will eventually lead to nothing living due to consumption and pollution.

You don't think preserving acquiring and Yellowstone National Park was a good idea? Better yet... re-introducing wolves to their former natural habitat after humans killed them off and ran them away?

That's just one thing I recognize that I couldn't be more proud of the Federal government for doing. States were pissed off about that at one point in time too.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Their opinions have enslaved the planet.

Can anyone look ahead right now and feel good about what is coming ? I fail to see how anyone could.
Sucks ! But I am not optimistic about the near future.

Me either. We seem to be breeding stupidity at an exponential rate these days, but don't worry, its gonna get a lot of stupid folks killed off, too, so maybe the survivors will look back one day and wonder how some people learned to breathe without a government manual telling them how.

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by SilentKillah
If it's within his county... then yes he does have authority to boot them for pollution. BUT.. a Sheriff isn't concerned... nor is he employing teams of scientists to find out if corporations are not regulating pollution correctly. The Federal government performs these tasks... and then when they step in and tell a farmer "no more water from this well because your crop watering is excessive and drying up the Colorado river" the Sheriff gets mad and calls a meeting about Federal government overstepping it's boundaries.

That was a hypothetical situation by the way... not the reason for this meeting... or is it?

It is not within a sheriff's duty to hire scientists to test water, however this is a case of problem, reaction, solution. Can you remember back when county extension specialists were responsible for dealing with the quality of food and water? Probably not. But these folks were experts in animal husbandry, healthy crops and water quality and chickens didn't have to have their beaks cut off so they couldn't peck themselves to death while being confined to a space no bigger than the damned chicken while being fattened up for KFC. But these specialists weren't federal, you see, and the feds wanted a way to "intervene". They not only found a way, they found a lot of supporters among city dwellers who know nothing about caring for the land.

The problem with Colorado water supply has more to do with farmers being driven off their land over many decades, which was then taken over by the big agra corps who grow your delicious genetically altered corn and e coli lickin' chicken etc. and dump toxic sludge from fertrilizers into the rivers. Oooooh, we've gotta have some more federal oversight, dontchasee. So all those former farmers and rural folks were driven into cities like Phoenix where all the water is used on golf courses and in swimming pools and then people cry, "OMG there isn't enough water to grow the foods we eat".

We have met the enemy and he is us.

I can partially agree with what you're saying here.

Of course it's not a Sheriff's duty to hire people for those tasks... I was more so saying that he's not even concerned with those tasks but would want to regulate those are in charge of those tasks.

You're right... I don't remember those times but I can imagine. Those were the times before farmers needed to produce food for millions of people that have jobs dealing with other things in extremely large cities and extremely busy lives. This was before people were so busy and families could get natural foods and actually fix their meals rather. This was before fast food restaurants existed. To an extent, I wish that this was still the case in America, but things have changed drastically. Bigger and faster production means that more oversight and regulation is needed. That's what the Feds provide in this industry. Smaller scale was needed in the past because there was less production.

The Colorado River statements you make... I agree... it's a HUGE problem. But at the same time, when a grand water specialists inspects water levels and sees that a particular area's fresh water has decreased drastically... we can't pass blame on the Federal government for taking the scientist's advice and having the farmer to stop using ground water for a while.

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The problem arises when people who are too busy shuffling paper in little cubicles all day to learn anything about the way others have been doing things with great success decide that they (or others of their own choosing) need to tinker with those who produce the things that they need to survive. That's what caused America to change so drastically, tinkering, and NOT for the better. IOW, no one had ever heard of "food insecurity" until the food insecurity "experts" in the federal government made it an issue, now we have millions of people on food stamps and going to bed hungry every night.

Same thing with friggin' ethics. People were, once upon a time, basically ethical in their dealings with others (handshake contracts anyone?) until colleges started adding ethics to their business courses and it wasn't very long before that, too, became a thing of the past. Now its hard to trust ourselves, much less anyone else.

There is enough land in this country to comfortably house all the people if it hadn't been made off limits to the public (whose land it allegedly is) by federal and state mandates. In Arizona, for instance, only about 2% of the land is privately owned and all the ranchers I once knew have been driven off their land by high taxation and "the tinkerers" telling them how to run their operations from those little office cubicles. Its just hard to for so many city rats in the cage get their heads around the amount of unused space there is out there because as far as their day to day eyes can see there is nothing but towers of apartment complexes, high rise office buildings and traffic jams. OVERPOPULATION!!!!

Sorry for going off topic.