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Actually, liberals would suffer much more under Sharia than I would. You do know that they kill homosexuals and "dishonored" females; right? Maybe you are better off in a "Christian" nation.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Nope. I would not.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
If you believe that, then would you agree to my former post above?
Then I hope you get what you desire.
May you one day live in a land that imposes religion on you.
sidenote caveat: may that religion not be your specific one
All things are equal after all...enjoy your call to prayer.
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by LDragonFire
We live in a State's rights nation. It is in our constitution. You can work to change what you don't like about where you live by using your freedom of speech etc., or you can move to another area where you better agree with the laws and ordinances already in place. This is not a form of church control as you assert, but rather it is the laws and ordinances put into place by the people who live where you also live.
No I don't want to fundamentally change our constitution, so NO I don't agree with you.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Actually, liberals would suffer much more under Sharia than I would. You do know that they kill homosexuals and "dishonored" females; right? Maybe you are better off in a "Christian" nation.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Nope. I would not.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
If you believe that, then would you agree to my former post above?
Then I hope you get what you desire.
May you one day live in a land that imposes religion on you.
sidenote caveat: may that religion not be your specific one
All things are equal after all...enjoy your call to prayer.
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by SaturnFX
There is no "freedom from religion" in the Constitution. No separation of church and state either.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
LOL, you live in the wrong country then. There is no "open" or "free" market here anymore.
Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by DarthMuerte
I don't drink, but its been said that a true sign of freedom is a open market.
I agree. Life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness should be freely available for all. My only problem with homosexuality is that I find it disgusting. My only problem with homosexuals is that they insist that I accept their disgusting practices as "normal". I don't want to see it, and I certainly don't want my kids to see it on a day out at Disney for example. Keep sex behind closed doors. Do what you want behind those closed doors; as long as it is two consenting adults, I don't care. Don't ever expect me to accept those practices as "normal".
Im not gay but everyone should have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
With the exception of murdering infants/fetuses, I agree with you. It isn't my business. It is between you and God. Not my business at all, unless you make it my business by reaching into my wallet.
I'm not female but a woman should be able to do what she wants with her body.
Instead of being told what to do by one group of people based on there religious beliefs.
I prefer that we follow our Constitution as written. There are a couple of amendments I disagree with and would like to change(Senators to be chosen by and represent the states again for example), but the Constitution of the US was the best government ever formed by man.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
I prefer secular state.
But, if a religion must be established, I choose Jedi.
Only a sith would disagree with me here.
Many laws are wanted to be made by the anti-religious as well. This is why I propose the dissolution of the union to form at least two separate nations. One for liberals and one for those of us who love freedom.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by SaturnFX
There is no "freedom from religion" in the Constitution. No separation of church and state either.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
marriage = an establishment of religion
laws are made
more laws are wanting to be made by the religious
Originally posted by LDragonFire
What do we do? How can we make this group understand these protections in place for them, should be in place for everyone, yet all there main efforts seem to be to limit the right of those who do not agree with them?
What say you ATS?edit on 19-5-2012 by LDragonFire because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by SaturnFX
There is no "freedom from religion" in the Constitution. No separation of church and state either.
Why won't the gays let it be that easy? I do not oppose civil unions for homosexuals, marriage is a different matter though. It is supposed to be sacred. I am not saying it isn't tarnished now, it certainly is. However instead of completely debasing it, just allow the gays to have their government sanctioned unions.
Originally posted by LightWarrior11
Basically, The religious views from any group should not be forced upon anyone IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Religion and Laws in regards to freedom of an individual do not go together.
Its like saying, you should be arrested for committing adultery because cheating is against a religion. Or like gay marriage; If you believe Gays should be able to get married and we know religions disagree, then don't get married IN A CHURCH and call it something else. I just dont see why it cant be that easy? Why wont the let it be THAT EASY?
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Many laws are wanted to be made by the anti-religious as well. This is why I propose the dissolution of the union to form at least two separate nations. One for liberals and one for those of us who love freedom.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by SaturnFX
There is no "freedom from religion" in the Constitution. No separation of church and state either.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
marriage = an establishment of religion
laws are made
more laws are wanting to be made by the religious
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
Originally posted by LDragonFire
What do we do? How can we make this group understand these protections in place for them, should be in place for everyone, yet all there main efforts seem to be to limit the right of those who do not agree with them?
What say you ATS?edit on 19-5-2012 by LDragonFire because: (no reason given)
Who has convinced society that abortion is not murder? Who has convinced society that a sexual practice is grounds for marriage? Who has convinced society that injustice, greed, and materialism are good qualities? Who has convinced society to abandon the God of their forefathers? Who has indoctrinated our youth that extraterrestrials are their creator and soon to be saviour? Who is indoctrinating our youth in occultism? Who is indoctrinating society with the belief that love equates to tolerance? Who is convincing our youth to commit suicide in record numbers because of depression and hopelessness? Why are the prisons filled to capacity with hardened criminals in record numbers? Who has brainwashed our society into sex sells, prostitution, Viagra, and child pedophilia? Who is convincing our teenage girls to experiment with lesbianism because it's "cool and hip"? I'd like to ask - who exactly do you think is doing all of this? Enlightened mankind? Pfft
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Why won't the gays let it be that easy? I do not oppose civil unions for homosexuals, marriage is a different matter though. It is supposed to be sacred. I am not saying it isn't tarnished now, it certainly is. However instead of completely debasing it, just allow the gays to have their government sanctioned unions.
Originally posted by LightWarrior11
Basically, The religious views from any group should not be forced upon anyone IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Religion and Laws in regards to freedom of an individual do not go together.
Its like saying, you should be arrested for committing adultery because cheating is against a religion. Or like gay marriage; If you believe Gays should be able to get married and we know religions disagree, then don't get married IN A CHURCH and call it something else. I just dont see why it cant be that easy? Why wont the let it be THAT EASY?
Adultery is among the worst crimes imo. The punishment should be severe. If you cannot honor your commitment to God and your spouse, get a divorce. Only incest is a greater breach of trust imo. Control yourself, do the right thing and get a divorce if you cannot honor your commitments.
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by SaturnFX
Or you lovers of socialism and liberalism could move to the paradises of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece or France. I would suggest the USSR, but they didn't "make it". I am sure that China would accept you with open arms. Look to the socialist republic of California to see our very near future if we continue down our current path. Look to Greece to see slightly farther into the future.
op 10 wealthiest states
Here's where the median household income is highest
State Income
Maryland $65,144
New Jersey $64,470
Connecticut $63,422
Hawaii $61,160
Massachusetts $59,963
New Hampshire $59,683
Alaska $59,393
California $56,645
Virginia $56,277
Minnesota $54,023
The 10 poorest states
The states with the lowest median household income
State Income
New Mexico $40,629
Montana $40,627
Tennessee $40,315
Kentucky $39,372
Louisiana $39,337
Alabama $38,783
Oklahoma $38,770
Arkansas $36,599
West Virginia $35,059
Mississippi $34,473
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
reply to post by SaturnFX
Or you lovers of socialism and liberalism could move to the paradises of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece or France. I would suggest the USSR, but they didn't "make it". I am sure that China would accept you with open arms. Look to the socialist republic of California to see our very near future if we continue down our current path. Look to Greece to see slightly farther into the future.