What do we do when religion is a drirect threat to freedom and liberty?

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

Who has convinced society that abortion is not murder?

Scientific understanding of personhood/life

Who has convinced society that a sexual practice is grounds for marriage?

Ehh? erm...angry fathers with shotguns and impregnated lil darlings would be my guess

Who has convinced society that injustice, greed, and materialism are good qualities?

Cotton farmers would be my guess here.

Who has convinced society to abandon the God of their forefathers?

Literacy rates

Who has indoctrinated our youth that extraterrestrials are their creator and soon to be saviour?

Cavemen I suppose...something outside of earth created us...we summed it up though by calling it religion
so
religious people seems to be the correct answer here.

Who is indoctrinating our youth in occultism?

Curiousity...hmm..curiousity is a natural function of the brain..god created the brain
therefore..God did it.
(or an extraterrestrial creator)

Who is indoctrinating society with the belief that love equates to tolerance?

Lessons from serial killers whom have the opposing view

Who is convincing our youth to commit suicide in record numbers because of depression and hopelessness?

Jim Jones? Didn't know there was a group for this...
this isn't heavy metal, is it?

Why are the prisons filled to capacity with hardened criminals in record numbers?

Cash dolla dolla bill. The prison society has a lot of corporate interest in it.

Who has brainwashed our society into sex sells,

Human nature

prostitution,

Human nature

Viagra,

Human nature

and child pedophilia?

Eww. your into that?

Who is convincing our teenage girls to experiment with lesbianism because it's "cool and hip"?

Well, late teens/young 20s and up. sorry..thats my fault. looks cool though.

I'd like to ask - who exactly do you think is doing all of this? Enlightened mankind? Pfft

Your a bit of a negative nancy. Ever seen a person hugging another person patting another person on the back for support? That negates the entire list there
no matter how dark you make the room, a single candle can be seen from all corners and cuts through it. a hug, a pat on the back, a smile to someone you don't know just to make them a bit more happy = outweighs a list 400 miles long.

reply to post by LDragonFire


Even if you try to make laws be based purely on, whatever it is that you're thinking, there is going to be a religion to adopt the laws into its belief system given enough time. So what you're asking for is impossible.

Lets use the laws about same sex marriage for an example. You see the illegalization of same sex marriage as a religious tenet that became law, but there are religions with tenets which condone same sex marriage as well.

If you find a law that say something is illegal because God says so then yeah that should be rewritten.

Originally posted by queenofswords
If a community votes to be a dry county, THEY made the choice. You can move or deal with it. Why should you dictate how that community wants to live (as long as they are not breaking the laws of the land)?

I lived in one of those counties. It was an inconvenience to drive 20 miles to buy alcohol, but the community chose to be dry. About two years ago, there was another vote and two of three precincts voted to change things. Those precincts now sell beer and wine (but still no hard liquor). If you want to change things, work within your community to do so.

That's communist! To deny the rights of individuals and justifying it according to what "the community" wants has historically lead to all sorts of evil. Like prohibition, KKK, anti-gay, anti-health/abortion rights...

Its just plain wrong and not at all what Jesus would do. Instead its what SATAN would do "in Jesus name".

reply to post by reitze

Oh, for heaven's sake....We have specific stated LAWS that cover certain behaviors.
reply to post by reitze

Lol....Read: As long as it does not go against the 'law of the land'. Nowhere in the Constitution do you have a right to buy/sell liquor or NOT buy/sell liquor in a local community where the people of that community have voted for a local ordinance.

As long as fear exists so will religion. I simply pay no respect to either and go about my life the way I choose.

Originally posted by 2x Helix
As long as fear exists so will religion. I simply pay no respect to either and go about my life the way I choose.

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I have to assume your not homosexual, or a woman. They are still out there attempting to legislate there beliefs.

I think gay couples should have the same rights as married couples. I, personally, wouldn't consider them married in the definition sense, but I would consider them married in the rights sense.

I think civil unions are a pretty good compromise for both sides. The gay couples gets to share in the same rights as married heterosexual couples, but the definition of marriage doesn't have to be touched.

To get to the point, I don't think the government needs to be involved in marriage anyway.

I also don't believe in an income tax, so the tax-exempt status is a whatever sort of issue to me.

I do believe in people's right to worship and believe (or not worship and believe) as they choose.

Originally posted by LDragonFire

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I would apply this to muslims, gays, socialists etc.... Think about the law of unintended consequences before you propose to change the status-quo.

Please show me where I have lost any freedoms or liberty to a muslim, gay or socialist?

However I did say religion so muslims would be included in my op.

I will add that during this time of economic downturn and other obvious problems in the states the state of Mississippi and North Carolina are busy working on social laws like gay marriage and abortion instead of fixing there roads or improving there schools and other things that would in fact improve there state and the lives of the people who live there.

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It wasnt the politicians that set the agenda it was the citizens of the state.In north Carolina for example the citizens had it placed on the ballot not the politicians.Politicians are like sail boats they go with the wind because on those rear occasions they decide not to theres alot of effort involved to tack back against the wind.

reply to post by LDragonFire

Religion is the US has built in protections, they are not taxed as up to this point they are able to do what they want even if its sheer lunacy in the public eye (think westboro baptist church).

You do know that Westboro is not a real church right? Theyre a family full of lawyers and every one of them in the Phelps family and they go troll soldiers funerals and homosexual rallies in hopes they will say something and someone will lose their sh*t and walk over and punch one of them in the face so they can take phone camera pics and sue for money.

You want to know why churches do not get taxed? Because we do community service and do not get paid for it, we feed and cloth the needy, not just in the nation but in many nations. We too are tax payers and have the same rights everyone else does, so think about that before you advocate taking away our rights and freedoms and liberties, because what goes around comes around.

Furthermore we do not deny gay people getting married, what they do is on them, but do not expect to get married in a church because any church that marries homosexuals is in direct violation of God's laws and are of the Church of the Nicolaitans and Yeshua will deal with those personally.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

You do know that Westboro is not a real church right? Theyre a family full of lawyers and every one of them in the Phelps family and they go troll soldiers funerals and homosexual rallies in hopes they will say something and someone will lose their sh*t and walk over and punch one of them in the face so they can take phone camera pics and sue for money.

It is indeed a independent Baptist church, unless you can provide links that show they are not a church/religion.

You want to know why churches do not get taxed? Because we do community service and do not get paid for it, we feed and cloth the needy, not just in the nation but in many nations. We too are tax payers and have the same rights everyone else does, so think about that before you advocate taking away our rights and freedoms and liberties, because what goes around comes around.

Churches and religions don't get taxed because of the separation of church and state. If the government is allowed to tax churches and religions this allows the government a foot into the door of the operation, the government would then be able to control what happens in church, this is based on the last supreme court ruling on the issue. I agree with this ruling here is the link:
Walz v. Tax Commission this ruling was based on this: Establishment Clause

Furthermore we do not deny gay people getting married, what they do is on them, but do not expect to get married in a church because any church that marries homosexuals is in direct violation of God's laws and are of the Church of the Nicolaitans and Yeshua will deal with those personally.

Your incorrect.

Slavery is accepted in the bible, so is killing unfaithful spouses, would you support this type of legislation? Will we all be forced to burn bulls because the smell is pleasing to the lord?

Don't think I'm anti Christianity, because I would not last long in a Islamic dominated society, this is my chief concern, because just like politics the winds of change constantly blows, so in 20 or 30 years when Islam washes over the Americas, what then?

My problem with Christianity in this case is how far is it going to go? If a majority thinks this community should be stoned to death because the bible says so what then?

Once religion is a direct threat to the freedom of others, something must be done. I'm not saying, get rid of religion, but it should definitely be illegal to force others to practice it, or to take rights away based on religion.

reply to post by Fury1984


I agree with almost everything you posted, however if a church becomes political as in telling there congregation who to vote for or what party to support we start down a slippery slope. If they are going to actively support politics should they not be required to pay like everyone else does?

Unions normally support Democrats, but unless I'm mistaken they do pay taxes, and I'm not aware of this group supporting social engineering laws.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
I would apply this to muslims, gays, socialists etc.... Think about the law of unintended consequences before you propose to change the status-quo.

Most of our freedoms here in America that has been taken from us is due to the delusion called Christianity. Your obvious bias against muslims, gays, socialists etc is simply your belief with no facts to back it up.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

You want to know why churches do not get taxed? Because we do community service and do not get paid for it, we feed and cloth the needy, not just in the nation but in many nations. We too are tax payers and have the same rights everyone else does, so think about that before you advocate taking away our rights and freedoms and liberties, because what goes around comes around.

Why should the American people have to cover the churches taxes because they are doing what their religion tells them to do? Where in the bible does it say you should be rewarded by the state for doing God's work?

The lord hated wealth and on judgement day all these fake Christians who use their faith to gain wealth by using tax loopholes will pay for their deeds. And I hope they enjoy their servitude to Satan.

The Christian church has always denied other people rights and freedoms based on their faith. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Originally posted by queenofswords
reply to post by reitze

 

Oh, for heaven's sake....We have specific stated LAWS that cover certain behaviors.
reply to post by reitze

 

Lol....Read: As long as it does not go against the 'law of the land'. Nowhere in the Constitution do you have a right to buy/sell liquor or NOT buy/sell liquor in a local community where the people of that community have voted for a local ordinance.

You may not like what I said but it remains true, its called the THE TYRANY OF THE MAJORITY and its why we have a constitutional republic rather than a democracy in the USA. Don't like it? Move to China.

DEMOCRACY: THE TYRANY OF THE MAJORITY

Originally posted by LDragonFire
I have to assume your not homosexual, or a woman. They are still out there attempting to legislate there beliefs.

Makes no difference if the opposition to ones personal freedom comes in the form of legislation or an individual, opposition is an everyday challenge. Stand you ground and deal accordingly.

Much love!

reply to post by LDragonFire


It is a threat. We stop tolerating it. We stop giving it preference. We stop respecting "faith". We tax it. We punish it for lies. In short, we treat it like everyone else gets treated.

"Faith" is not an admirable attribute. It is a special stupidity of believing in magic when evidence continually proves it wrong.

Start with yourself. Don't tolerate this disease. Speak up. Scream. Stop tolerating religion.

reply to post by LDragonFire


Stop asking the State's permission. If you don't give them that power over you, they don't have it. If you don't ask, they can't say no. Problem solved.

Originally posted by Darkblade71
As far as religion goes, if you don't agree you do not have to participate. When you get stuck in a place such as a dry county, you can move. You don't have to live there if it makes you feel oppressed. Dry counties aren't religion as much as they are trying to stop alcohol related deaths and crime. When I was in Texas there were dry counties, but that's just the way they have it set up, no skin off my back. Not hard to drive somewhere else to get a beer.

Religion doesn't force anything on you unless you let it in the US.

You are free to move from such places.
IMO.

But what if you have negative equity in your home, that's putting a serious damper on being aboe to move around these days.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
What do we do?

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