What do we do when religion is a drirect threat to freedom and liberty?

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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire

If your willing to push someone out what else are you willing to do? This is the point of the thread.


And you aren't willing to push people out?... In this case "religious people"?... If your city town has a mayority of religious people who don't want alchohol perhaps you should move to another town where alcohol is permitted.

You see, not everyone wants what you want, but YOU want to force your views on EVERYONE. You seem to want to ban religion, and that is exactly what you are claiming that they are doing to you.

If you aren't happy where you live why don't you just move to an area where there are people who have your views, where hard alcohol is sold, etc? But no, instead you seem to want to ban religion EVERYWHERE... At least thats what it seems.
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posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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How naive can you get? Do you have any idea how much blood has been shed specifically to protect people in this country from this sort of nonsense?


Pales in comparison to the amount of blood spilled in the name of 'God'.

2nd line.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by disfugured
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How naive can you get? Do you have any idea how much blood has been shed specifically to protect people in this country from this sort of nonsense?


Pales in comparison to the amount of blood spilled in the name of 'God'.

2nd line.


Oh Wow, How Original

So what is your point. Tit for Tat?... some people in another country or 100's of years ago split blood in the name of God so this means that now in America its the Atheists turn?

Now you feel completly justified to Wage War on a bunch of Christians who had nothing whatsoever to do with it and exterminate them out of spite?

uh-huh, How civilized, How enlightened.... Wow I just can't wait until people like you run the world. It will be SOOO much better.

Soul

P.S. Are all Atheists programed like this? When its pointed out that they are spewing hate and intolerance, they always resort to this lamo line of "Well Christians killed so many people..."

The world is a Dark place filled with violence and Death. Christian have a message of light, hope, and Life. Here is a news flash for you. Nowhere in the ENTIRE WORLD at this present time is there a place where you are not COMPLETLY free to reject the message of Christ. Go ahead.... I dare you to Go anywhere in the World and scream at the top of your lungs that you Reject Christ and HATE Christians and their God. Nowhere will you ever be deprived of your life, liberty, or freedom as a result. WAKE UP and stop living in the past.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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actually, most "religious" wars were just made out to be religious when in reality they were 100% political in nature. Just like Iraq was about WMD´s and our war on the world is in the name of our moral imperative, the lies are not the reason. They are the blank check of justification and public support.

Religion has never failed man, men have.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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The ROOT problem here is that the Government has any Role in this issue at all. They shouldn't be involved in recognizing any Personal relationships through the tax code or otherwise. People should be able to Claim their Partners as Dependants on Tax returns disregardless of the nature of the union and Everyone should have exactly the same rights before the States or legally for that matter.


Bingo. Marriage, as we Americans have inherited the concept, is a religious institution. By our Constitution it should never have been subject to any laws whatsoever. But as a matter of convinience, as our laws piled on over time, we simply accepted it as a legal contract. After all, every social contract everywhere includes a recognition of domestic structure ( who "belongs" to whom).

Now it's time to reconcile this difference. An ammendment that excludes gays from marrying is not constitutional because it is based on a religious argument. (The ick factor is not applicable. My mom getting remarried would have been quite icky had I invited myself to envision the connsumation. So while that works on the level of working up sentiment among the infantile, it's not a legal argument.)

A law that requires religious institutions to recognize gay marriage would be equally unconstitutional. And since we have allowed religious leaders to perform legal marriages for so long (or conversely, we have allowed legal proceedings to be overseen by religious figures) it should come as no surprise that people think there is a legal push to force gay marriages on the churches.

But there isn't. Now that the issue is being pushed on both sides we will have to break up that one marriage (church & state) that was legally disallowed when the Constitution was ratified.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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Soooo I see your point. And it's valid but your last sentence was just a nicer way of saying exactly what I was warning about. Your politically correct, everybody gets a trophy, idealism is admirable but not practical. It is impossible to please everybody and frankly not necassary. In America your guaranteed that the government won't force you to convert, that's about all the protection the constitution grants, so I'm assuming we get rid of that too? Live in an atheist dictatorship?

Once 70 million akmeds start voting maybe the pizza will be veggie. Elections are important and the winner sets policies... And they don't send you home with a "I tried" plack. Win an election! Otherwise what your proposing is just as unfair to 75% of the population as your perceived plight.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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fancy embedding. hows did you do that? did you pray? i say we pray.



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by disfugured

Pales in comparison to the amount of blood spilled in the name of 'God'.

2nd line.


And the over 110-120 million people murdered in the name of atheism/communism in merely 80 years?

Evil men find ANY reason to murder...



posted on May, 21 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Not only in the past 500 years worth of History, but from the inception of Abraham-ism God has always hated man. If God was all mighty and perfect, why fear his own creations? Why create man and have them make so many ridiculous blood sacrifices?

Genesis 11:

He destroyed the Tower of Babel when all of man was getting along and united under one language. Everything going fine until God was jealous over our accomplishments and decided to destroy it. In doing so, he displaced, divided and disrupted human civilization and set it back hundreds of years. God mentioned that he caused such a terrorist act because of the pride man had.

God didn't even obey his own ten commandments he forced upon the people. What an awesome example he displayed with his so called mercy. His mercy is only upon you once you kneel and become obedient to his ridiculous/ignorant demands and commands. In my opinion, Religions enslaves a person.

That being said, I'm no atheist either. I believe in a divine force. The only difference is, it has no face or a dictating deity form.

Then you have all these hypothetical Christian Churches out there that love money donations when money was one of the things Christ was passionately against. One thing I can agree with Christ about.

That being said, The Bible was basically written by a blood thirsty God that instills fear into their believers to.. well I guess to continue being believers.

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posted on May, 22 2012 @ 12:45 AM
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And again what about all the murders caused by Atheism?... The over 110-120 million if not more and the millions more who were put in gulags not only for politics but for religion, and daring to want freedom of expression?... And this happened in about 80 years or so.

All the religious wars do not amount to the amount of people murdered in the 20th century by atheist/socialist/communist beliefs... Although I am not condoning the injustices the church has done, some men and women will make up any reason to murder...

For example in the 1930s when communists in Spain took over for a while they went after anyone who was religious. Priests, and people praying were executed by the communist spaniards, until the people said "enough is enough". The mayority of people in Spain was/is religious, hence when they saw what the communists did the people rose against them...

As I said MEN/WOMEN can make up any reason for murder... Religion is not the reason, it is that there are evil men and women that would use any and every excuse to murder...

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