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Originally posted by HauntWok
Yo-
I think that there might be some confusion going on here, as far as your understanding of the word "viable"
Early on in a pregnancy, the embryo is certainly not viable, it cannot survive outside of it's host. In these cases, abortion is sometimes a solution to remove the parasite from the host.
But, no matter what happens, there is a set time limit on when a woman can have an abortion. After a while, the fetus does become viable, and then, abortions aren't usually allowed and in most cases are illegal unless its an extreme circumstance.
No matter what, abortion is a difficult subject, it's not something chosen easily by any woman. I am pro choice myself. But, when I found that my (now ex) wife was pregnant, we talked about it. We are both pro choice, and we chose to have the child, and it was the best decision we made. I have a 9 year old boy whom I love very much and I am glad we made the choice to have him. I couldn't imagine a world without him now.
But it was a choice that we made together, we discussed it, and that was the choice we made. See, people who are pro choice aren't always going to abort a child, it's called pro choice for a reason. It was our decision to make, and it shouldn't be left up to the government to make that choice for us.
This is where Paul's campaign of personal liberty fails. It's not personal liberty if by virtue of being born a woman, you loose the personal liberty to have control over your own body.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by yoyoyoyo
There was very little about Ron Paul in your opening post ...
The title led me to believe this was something else ...
Originally posted by AaronWilson
Male masturbation then should be illegal. Every drop of semen is a potentially wasted life.
The difference is that it is NOT life whereas a preborn child IS life.
Although the bible would agree with you and not me. Google ONANISM.
Why not say the pill birthcontrol is murder?
The pill is an abortificant. Sometimes it stops conception, and other times it causes abortion which
the woman doesn't even know about and thinks it's just menstration. It kills.
In the end it doesn't really matter what a POTUS thinks about abortion. If he or she is prolife or proabortion, they won't be able to change the laws either way. Trying to overturn Roe v Wade would be like trying to catch smoke. You just can't do it. So in the end, the POTUS is allowed to have his or her own viewpoint like the rest of us .. but it shouldn't be a campaign issue one way or the other. IMHO
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by yoyoyoyo
Honest rape! Are you kidding me? Who are you going to put in place to make that decision, to judge the woman who claims rape, you?
What if a married woman is raped and can't be sure who the father is?
It shouldn't matter whether or not a woman was raped. She, and only she, should be who decides if her body will welcome or reject a child. An unwanted child IS an uninvited, parasitic curse, not a blessing, no matter how you skew it.
While you're talking about evil and god, let's take a look at the god of the bible.
Originally posted by ~Vixen~
No, I have no #ing clue what the numbers look like, please enlighten me further.
My question is who are you to dictate to others what is or isn't the right decision for them?
If you don't want your girlfriend or wife to get pregnant, then YOU should that the extra precaution of using protection or abstaining altogether.
Originally posted by froglegs79
Originally posted by yoyoyoyo
reply to post by windword
Women should take pregnancy as a blessing and not a curse. I wish I could create a life, but I cant. Only women can. .
I have not read all the post so not sure if anyone else has asked this... in the OP it is stated that you have had an abortion, but you made the above statement.
if someone else has asked this and it has been answer don't worry about answering me i will get to it as I read the thread.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by froglegs79
Originally posted by yoyoyoyo
reply to post by windword
Women should take pregnancy as a blessing and not a curse. I wish I could create a life, but I cant. Only women can. .
I have not read all the post so not sure if anyone else has asked this... in the OP it is stated that you have had an abortion, but you made the above statement.
if someone else has asked this and it has been answer don't worry about answering me i will get to it as I read the thread.
Good find!
What say you OP, YOYOYOYO,? Did you deceive us, by presenting yourself as a woman, when you are really a bitter man with vagina envy?
Originally posted by Gram1point0
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by yoyoyoyo
Honest rape! Are you kidding me? Who are you going to put in place to make that decision, to judge the woman who claims rape, you?
What if a married woman is raped and can't be sure who the father is?
It shouldn't matter whether or not a woman was raped. She, and only she, should be who decides if her body will welcome or reject a child. An unwanted child IS an uninvited, parasitic curse, not a blessing, no matter how you skew it.
While you're talking about evil and god, let's take a look at the god of the bible.
Parasitic curse? Come now, do you honestly believe an evil act constitutes another evil act?
Agreed. But what if she gets pregnant anyway? If she decides to have the baby against my will, then what happened to my choice? Does anyone give a rat's azz whether or not I can afford a baby?
What if I want the baby and she doesn't? You're saying that its okay to kill my child and I don't even have a say in the matter?
Originally posted by Bone75
Originally posted by ~Vixen~
No, I have no #ing clue what the numbers look like, please enlighten me further.
These stats should broaden your perspective a bit:
www.johnstonsarchive.net...
My question is who are you to dictate to others what is or isn't the right decision for them?
I'm a man with a voice who wholeheartedly believes that abortion is murder. I'm speaking out against murder. What's so wrong with that? Would you be upset at all if I were speaking out against rape?
If you don't want your girlfriend or wife to get pregnant, then YOU should that the extra precaution of using protection or abstaining altogether.
Agreed. But what if she gets pregnant anyway? If she decides to have the baby against my will, then what happened to my choice? Does anyone give a rat's azz whether or not I can afford a baby?
What if I want the baby and she doesn't? You're saying that its okay to kill my child and I don't even have a say in the matter?
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Bone75
Agreed. But what if she gets pregnant anyway? If she decides to have the baby against my will, then what happened to my choice? Does anyone give a rat's azz whether or not I can afford a baby?
What if I want the baby and she doesn't? You're saying that its okay to kill my child and I don't even have a say in the matter?
Your your argument is that if you don't have control over what a woman decides to do with her body, abortion is evil and should be illegal.
Do you think you should be able to force her to have your child?
Further, should you force my child to have a baby that you had nothing to do with, because .... why?