Did the Christians lie about Jesus Resurrection? Jesus did not die by Crucifiction!

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

I see.
Jesus ''hagning on the tree''? What's that?!

Some of the original Greek texts only speak to Jesus being nailed to a tree, and that meaning hands overhead.

So, it dismisses the breathing issues.

Many of the NT sources stem from Greek language origin.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

I see.
Jesus ''hagning on the tree''? What's that?!

Some of the original Greek texts only speak to Jesus being nailed to a tree, and that meaning hands overhead.

So, it dismisses the breathing issues.

Many of the NT sources stem from Greek language origin.

Actually i recently saw a documentary that stated... "even if his arms were over his head, breathing would have been even harder"

Apparently IF his arms were stretched out on the "cross-beam" breathing would have been easier, and thus prolonged his torture....

His death would have been much faster if his arms were over his head...

They even tested the theory by tieing the Host of the program up on a cross for demonstration purposes... he didn't last 2 mins... And the person they originally were testing this crucifxion thing on only lasted 5 mins...

reply to post by Akragon


Hum.
So? Where were his arms?

reply to post by swan001


Actually i still vote for "over his head"... theres nothing in the bible that states a cross beam was used...

Either way i don't think it changes the fact that he died...

Though i must question Christians on one thing.... they consider him God in the flesh....

IF this was the case (which it wasn't but that isn't the point)... And as it says "all things are possible with God"...

Wouldn't that in itself make his survival possible?

reply to post by Akragon


Well, wasn't he supposed to die for our sins? If God let him live our sins would have stayed alot longer...
I guess??

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by Akragon

 

Well, wasn't he supposed to die for our sins? If God let him live our sins would have stayed alot longer...
I guess??

That is the chistian perspective...

I don't like to dwell on his death... I believe he LIVED so as to show us how to be perfect... and without sin...

He came back from death to show us that life exists beyond this earthly body

reply to post by Akragon


Yeah...
Totally agree.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

I see.
Jesus ''hagning on the tree''? What's that?!

Some of the original Greek texts only speak to Jesus being nailed to a tree, and that meaning hands overhead.

So, it dismisses the breathing issues.

Many of the NT sources stem from Greek language origin.

Really, so when a person cuts down a tree it stops being a tree?

reply to post by Akragon

Actually i recently saw a documentary that stated... "even if his arms were over his head, breathing would have been even harder"

What the flying F Akragon???

You spent the time to watch an entire documentary and I gave you a 1 minute practical example you could have tried in the confines of your own room.

Astounding. Utterly and unequivocally astounding.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Uhhh...
I don't know. How was the original version? Did the translation went wrong??

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I'm laughing now.
You would have nailed Akrgon?
That's an idea.
Just kidding. I get your point.

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by Akragon

 

Well, wasn't he supposed to die for our sins? If God let him live our sins would have stayed alot longer...
I guess??

Let's ignore that's exactly what Jesus in numerous places said He would do, and why He came "to this hour". Let's forget when Peter tried to talk Jesus out of the cross He rebuked him, called him "satan" and said he was "offensive" to Him. Let's forget all that, but then tell everyone they only need to read and believe what Jesus says in the Bible.

Makes sense, makes perfect freaking sense.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon

 

Actually i recently saw a documentary that stated... "even if his arms were over his head, breathing would have been even harder"

What the flying F Akragon???

You spent the time to watch an entire documentary and I gave you a 1 minute practical example you could have tried in the confines of your own room.

Astounding. Utterly and unequivocally astounding.

Honestly... considering i work in health care... don't you think i already knew what position makes it easier to breath? Myself being completely "phyisically fit" your experiment would have proved nothing...on the other hand IF i was beaten and whipped etc etc etc... things would have been different.

Either position makes little difference to a healthy person.... and arms over your head help you breath... Arms stretched out to the side have the same effect... to a healthy person...

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Uhhh...
I don't know. How was the original version? Did the translation went wrong??

Think of all the literary devices we could use for someone murdering someone with a gun, now consider if at that time they also have a few different ways to say the same thing.

This is getting silly. Romans cut the tree down, they didn't spend hours debarking, planing, sanding, and applying stain and varnish for something they would nail condemned slaves and barbarians to.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Makes sense to me.
So the cross could be refered to as a ''tree''...

reply to post by Akragon

Arms stretched out to the side have the same effect... to a healthy person...

The shoulder sockets were pulled out of joint. They nailed one hand or wrist down, tied a rope around that nailed hand or wrist to the crossbeam, then a couple men wrapped a rope around the wrist of the other arm and pulled the arms out of their sockets. If you remember my practical example I said not to spread your arms out to the side, I said to spread them out as far as you possibly could, having the shoulder out of socket would be even more strenuous.

It pays to read friend.

Oh, and by the way, that's another fulfilled prophecy from the crucifixion from the OT. (Psalm 22)

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Makes sense to me.
So the cross could be refered to as a ''tree''...

Not "could be"..

It WAS a tree.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


This still could have been accomplished with his arms over head.... Consider "the rack" and its purpose...

I read everything my friend... doesn't mean i have to agree though

Technically... it was a POLE... made from a tree...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon

 

Arms stretched out to the side have the same effect... to a healthy person...

The shoulder sockets were pulled out of joint. They nailed one hand or wrist down, tied a rope around that nailed hand or wrist to the crossbeam, then a couple men wrapped a rope around the wrist of the other arm and pulled the arms out of their sockets. If you remember my practical example I said not to spread your arms out to the side, I said to spread them out as far as you possibly could, having the shoulder out of socket would be even more strenuous.

It pays to read friend.

Oh, and by the way, that's another fulfilled prophecy from the crucifixion from the OT. (Psalm 22)

edit on 10-4-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

Ask him how he knows Jesus arms were desocketed. He'll eventually have to say he was there.

Most of this Jesus is Lord stuff got stated with the Essene's celestial games on the 3-stars being when a King was to be born. Then they kept going deeper and most claimed he was the Lord before the hanging on the tree. So, they didn't need any miracles for Jesus to be considered god.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

This still could have been accomplished with his arms over head.... Consider "the rack" and its purpose...

I read everything my friend... doesn't mean i have to agree though

Technically... it was a POLE... made from a tree...

No, they cut the tree down, cut 1/4 of it off for the crossbeam, cut the branches from the trunk, affixed the crossbeam to the "pole" part if you will and hoisted the condemned person up. You tell me how they held a condemned person up considering gravity, till they could nail them to a tree.

This is getting absurd, and I didn't think a few threads ago it could get any more absurd. You're right, I have an issue with assuming things.

Assuming people's IQ is as high as mine. (151)