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Originally posted by SG-17

Originally posted by Partygirl


There is an argument now over whether transgendered people (i.e., those who have undergone sex-change operations) should be allowed in beauty contests. Originally Mr./Ms. Talackova, above, was disqualified, although after loud complaints, they are considering whether or not to let him/her into the contest.

Calling her a "Mr" is extremely bigoted.

While her biological sex may be male, her gender is female.

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
My god man, I think I am gay now. This... is unexpected.

Let this Trap enter.

She looks like a woman, she acts like a woman, she sounds like a woman, she identifies as a woman, and her gender is female. So no, you are not gay if you find her attractive (not that sexuality is a rigid spectrum anyway).

edit on 4/3/2012 by SG-17 because: (no reason given)

It is a mister.... fact. Sorry.

it's not a woman, it's not female...

therefore shouldn't even try to enter such a contest.

So sick of political correctness and it's trying to get all the sheep to have the exact same values and everyone be 100% tolerant removing what makes us human, individuality.


there is no "grey" area in this situation...

let it have a tranny universe competition for them.

There is a Mr universe competition, which Arnold Schwarzenegger won long ago. Let it join in the mr universe since it's genetically male or let it start it's own competition.

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In the old addage

"Any publicity is good publicity" OR "There is no such thing as bad publicity"

I wonder how true this is in this case. Jenna Talakova has had publicity that if she had to

pay for it would have cost more than she could probably afford, and more than any of the

other contestants.

People have short memories and in the 'hurly burly' excitement of the competitive

atmosphere any bad publicity will fade into the background and on 'looks alone' she stands

as much chance as any of the contestants. AND IF she doesn't win she can always fall

back on 'poor me' and the 'gender issue card' and milk it for all it's worth!!

My point being she has changed her name twice in line with changing her sex, now if

someone doesn't WANT noteriety they don't give interviews to the media, she could have

'slipped' into the competition without all this coming out, and the ensuing media circus.

Many people go through life without revealing 'personal details' about themselves to

the media or anyone else and take them to the grave!


SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC but an illustration of my meaning


Celebrities who feel the need to be guarded against the media are actually feeding the

frenzy, if they went about their business without expensive cars, stretch limo's and half

a dozen burly bodyguards they would probably go un noticed! Nobody looks at a small

family car going about their business. But i fear they are so addicted to the publicity and

their own self importance that they cannot do with out it. I wonder how much of

that is in this case?


PS One thing that cannot be disguised is hands and feet, and on the picture of the two

contestants [roughly the same size] - Notice the hands!!!

This is the new face of the world, and quite honestly I don't think it is better in any manner. Let the trannys have a tranny competition. We need to stop blurring all the lines on everything. Sure striving for tolerance is one thing, but this, ..... this is madness.

Allow this today, and one day we'll be arguing over if animals and plants have the right to enter.

Originally posted by wingsfan
This is the new face of the world, and quite honestly I don't think it is better in any manner. Let the trannys have a tranny competition. We need to stop blurring all the lines on everything. Sure striving for tolerance is one thing, but this, ..... this is madness.

Allow this today, and one day we'll be arguing over if animals and plants have the right to enter.

Any animal or plant that expresses the intent to enter the Miss Universe pageant has my 100% support.

The Universe is a big place, surely humans do not believe that transgendered women will be the most unusual entrants when we finally open this up to all of the universe.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
The current mental health trend is to identify any behavior that is outside "the norm" and then give it a name, and then work on a way to correct it. To me, that seems pretty insane, we are not supposed to all look, feel, and act exactly the same, and we are not supposed to be medicating ourselves to avoid all the ups and downs in life.

Now, of course, some people have it far more severe than others, and there is nothing wrong with getting some counseling, but taking a pill or getting a surgery is taking it way beyond what I believe is healthy for us.

Starting to veer off-topic a little bit, but if someone feels like they are a woman trapped in a man's body, they can learn to deal with that openly and confidently without physically altering the body.

A friend of mine has a child of roughly 16 that has been going through a gender change for about.. maybe 5 months now. He is pre/op, no hormones, as the state of Oregon doesn't allow for that in minors. He has been talking with both other transpeople, men in general (including myself) to get a feel for what we have to say about gender roles in our society, and psychiatric professionals weekly about his decision, as is the standard for anyone seeking to begin a hormone or surgical option.

If he were anything other than the successful, artistic, smart, handsome kid that he is, I would question his choice more than I am. The truth is, he is well adjusted, save for the question of gender.

Besides, it's not like there are any social advantages to being one gender over another in our society right? Men, Women, treated equally. HA!