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Miss Universe and Transgendered Contestants: A Tricky Social Issue

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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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So you find it acceptable to equate someone changing genders with someone raping children? This is your thought process? I don't even know how to respond to something so asinine.


Slow down and read the post don't do like I did in the last one it prevents one from looking less stupid... I said its accepted over there because its more accepted because its been done for a long time and mainstream as this is here yet even though people pay less attention to it and its more morally accepted in OUR society it doesn't mean its still right...



Absolutely right. It is wrong to hurt children. How does someone changing their gender hurt children?


Then again it was used as a comparison... yet to answer your question I'll give you and example this guy has been married for 10 years with this woman and have two kids and one morning he decide its over he's not well in his skin and he wishes to be happy and be what he always believe he was a woman but never did it because he didn't have the courage but this time goes ahead and do it...

This wife will be the laughing stock of the neighborhood primary then I pity those poor children that will have to go to school on the Monday morning this get widely known... NOTHING is more cruel than a kid in search of social acceptance they'll verbally stone the crap out of those children for the rest of elementary school...

Then when he hit high school even though its a different school its the same people, they might of grown tired of this story and some even forgot about it and even most might accept it because its more mainstream but the kid will still not be socially accepted having been considered a reject in elementary no one in high school will want to hang with him...

Just so daddy can be happy he f**** his family's life...





If tomorrow I "transform" myself in a black man then the native blacks will be offended because its their identity not mine and they'll be right.


Glad you can speak for all 'native blacks'. I can't, but I can assure you that not everyone would be offended, as it is hard to get ALL of ANY group of people to feel the same way about ANYTHING.



I don't need to speak for them just go take a walk in a prison how they man handle little wigger bitches...




If 100 years ago I would of changed myself into a white man I would of bent burnt alive and the white people wouldn't of even peed on me to choke the flames…


Really? You vulgar analogy here is suspect. Had you been able to change into a white man [sic] you would most likely have enjoyed all of the benefits and freedoms afforded to other white men of the time. I don't really understand what you mean about being burned at the stake.





Oh but we did try to change ourselves in white man, we've even adopted the religion that was supposed to save us and we were gladly recompensed with smallpox infected blankets and pushed out of our lands onto reserves raped and murdered in millions... Oh and they also reformed millions of native children with harsh punishment, rape and beating after taking them from their parents by force after all they were only savages..

Hell up till the 30's a black man would of been hung for staring are a white man in the eyes... hell they even used "When black men smoke marijuana he's prone to look at white woman's twice and even step on white man's shadow" as propaganda to ban a certain thing we all know what it is but can't say it cuz my post will be blocked

We're in 2012 and I still get the "Savage" name times to times... Don't talk to me about fkin freedom and benefit equality in a country where there was once laws that rewarded anyone 100$ for a man's scalp 50$ for a "squaw" and 25$ for a child under 14...

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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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It could potentially be classified as a medical condition.. If there is intersex issues involved (Which sometimes may not show easily.)

It certainly is a psychological issue, as there's an extremely high rate of suicide amongst transsexuals. It's certainly more than "Oh I want to be a pretty woman!"



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

Originally posted by RyanFromCan
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Like the OP said, what about pedophiles they are born that way too, should be accept them and allow them to do whatever they want, all in the name of being politically correct? And where is the line drawn? and if you can make acceptions with one, what gives you the moral athority to deny another?


The difference is, a transgendered woman is not harming you, your children. A child molester (notice I did not say pedophile) is harming someone that is not capable of protecting, or understanding what is happening to them.

A pedophile is not necessarily a "criminal" or child molester, have you ever looked at 15 year old girl and said "wow, she is hot", congrats, you are now a pedophile, now, if you never do anything, you may be considered a pedophile, but not a child molester. Now, if you get that same girl drunk, and feel her up, you are now a child molester.

Pedophilia is a mental illness, a person suffering from that illness does not need to harm a child to be a pedophile, it simply means they are attracted to children sexually, and that in itself while making most uncomfortable, is not illegal, molesting children is.

Pedophile does not automatically equal child molester, and a child molester is not automatically a pedophile. The difference is between thoughts, and actions, and the consequences (harm) ones actions create.

You must be an delicate individual if a transwomen entering a beauty competition will cause you great pain, distress and emotional harm, or are you afraid she can kick your butt?



First of all, who are you to decide which is a mental illness and whats not? Just because you deem one worthy and another isnt?

Second......i love the personal attack at the end of your post..........you might want to scale that back....
it looks like you are struggling to make your case....

If you ahd read ALL my posts, you would know by now that it makes no difference to me, im playing the devils advocate here and arguing logic.........

You would also know that ive addressed EVERYTHING in this post before hand.........and will not waste my time to do so again........

Might want to chill out on the personal stuff.....ATS doesnt take too kindly to that


I will leave the decision of what constitutes a mental illness up to the professionals, and funny, it seems they (APA) have come to the educated conclusion that pedophilia is a mental illness, not a criminal act, molesting a child however IS a criminal act (pedophilic act or behaviour). Pedophilia may predispose some to commit a criminal act, but so would abuse, shaken baby syndrome, fetal alcohol syndrome, ADHD, and many other illnesses or conditions many would say.

Wikipedia - Pedophilia

WebMD - Pedophilia

www2.hu-berlin.de..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Richard Green, M.D., J.D. Imperial College School of Medicine, Gender Identity Clinic, Department of Psychiatry, Charing Cross Hospital, London, England, Institute of Criminology, University of Cambridge, Cambridge, England.-Is Pedophilia a Mental Disorder? Originally published in: Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 31, No. 6, December 2002, pp. 467–471

There is a separation between the thoughts, and acts, the acts are criminal, and thoughts are not, that is not to say that the thought cannot or will not lead to acts. Thinking "I would like to kill him/her" does not make you a criminal, only if you act on those thoughts, does it become criminal. If you were a sociopath, that would be a mental illness, if you acted on the thoughts, you would be a criminal.

Your inability to distinguish between a question or observation, even if it makes you uncomfortable, and an attack is sad, observing that you would have to be a delicate person to suffer the same harmful effects as being molested as a child, as from a transgendered person entering a beauty contest is not a personal attack, it is an observation regarding the irrational nature of your argument. Same goes for the question of whether or not you fear a transwoman would fill a submissive role, or a more dominant role with the ability to physical overpower you. this is a valid question as to why you have an irrational fear of transgendered people.

I have read all your posts, and though you say you were the best man at your cousins same-sex wedding, your arguments do not support your position, regardless if you are playing the devils advocate, on the topic of transgendered people and their status.

The only thing "personal" is how you chose to take my argument, not how it was presented, that is your issue, not mine.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by _R4t_
Slow down and read the post don't do like I did in the last one it prevents one from looking less stupid... I said its accepted over there because its more accepted because its been done for a long time and mainstream as this is here yet even though people pay less attention to it and its more morally accepted in OUR society it doesn't mean its still right…


Yeah.. but what you ARENT understanding is how asinine it is to compare someone NOT HURTING ANYONE ELSE with RAPING CHILDREN.



Then again it was used as a comparison... yet to answer your question I'll give you and example this guy has been married for 10 years with this woman and have two kids and one morning he decide its over he's not well in his skin and he wishes to be happy and be what he always believe he was a woman but never did it because he didn't have the courage but this time goes ahead and do it…

This wife will be the laughing stock of the neighborhood primary then I pity those poor children that will have to go to school on the Monday morning this get widely known... NOTHING is more cruel than a kid in search of social acceptance they'll verbally stone the crap out of those children for the rest of elementary school...

Then when he hit high school even though its a different school its the same people, they might of grown tired of this story and some even forgot about it and even most might accept it because its more mainstream but the kid will still not be socially accepted having been considered a reject in elementary no one in high school will want to hang with him...

Just so daddy can be happy he f**** his family's life…


You will notice in your scenario that the father hasn't done anything to anyone. It is a bigoted society that has. The father hasn't raped any children, beaten his wife, or killed his co-workers. You are condemning the person that changed himself without condemning the abusers. Not a very strong argument.



I don't need to speak for them just go take a walk in a prison how they man handle little wigger bitches…


Wow, I don't even know what that means, but I am sure you meant it to be horribly offensive and vulgar.




Oh but we did try to change ourselves in white man, we've even adopted the religion that was supposed to save us and we were gladly recompensed with smallpox infected blankets and pushed out of our lands onto reserves raped and murdered in millions... Oh and they also reformed millions of native children with harsh punishment, rape and beating after taking them from their parents by force after all they were only savages..

Hell up till the 30's a black man would of been hung for staring are a white man in the eyes... hell they even used "When black men smoke marijuana he's prone to look at white woman's twice and even step on white man's shadow" as propaganda to ban a certain thing we all know what it is but can't say it cuz my post will be blocked

We're in 2012 and I still get the "Savage" name times to times... Don't talk to me about fkin freedom and benefit equality in a country where there was once laws that rewarded anyone 100$ for a man's scalp 50$ for a "squaw" and 25$ for a child under 14...


I am truly sorry for the things that happened to your people, and I am sorry for the injustices and continued harassments you endure. Take your ire, take your pain, and focus it on how someone else that is being mistreated must feel. How someone that doesn't feel like the rest of society is being forced to accept what everyone else wants them to be instead of what THEY want to be.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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You fail to see that Transwomen are medically considered to be suffering from birth defect,


You lost me at your first sentence. If someone is born of the quite rare condition where they have both sexes and a surgery must be performed at birth to assign a sex, then yes, it is a medical problem. If someone is born all male, and they somehow get a psychological condition later in life that makes them wish they were a woman, it is certainly not a "medical" condition, it is barely a psychological condition, and I don't believe it even then. I don't believe in ADD, or ADHD, or Depression, or many other things that have miraculous pills or surgeries to cure these days.

Sorry, you are welcome to believe what you want, but to me, that is just plain silliness and people need to deal with their problems, not get pills or intrusive surgeries to fix something that only exists in their mind.


Wikipedia - Gender Identity Disorder


Many transgender people and researchers support the declassification of GID as a mental disorder for several reasons. Recent medical research on the brain structures of transgender individuals have shown that some transgender individuals have the physical brain structures that resemble their desired sex even before hormone treatment


Yes, you are right, it might all be "in their heads" after all, research has shown that while their bodies may be one sex, their brains may be another, and this is even before any "treatments" are given. I would be willing to say, that if you are born with a male body, but a female brain, that might just constitute a defect in the same way being born with incorrect organs, after all, the brain is an organ.




I don't believe in ADD, or ADHD, or Depression, or many other things that have miraculous pills or surgeries to cure these days.


Just because you do not believe in them, does not mean they don't exist, this speaks more to you being a closed minded individual than to the non-existence of the disorders or conditions.

I tend to trust science when it comes to these things rather than water cooler chat topics or the opinions of people who are not even wiling to entertain the possibilities because of learned rather than natural instincts or reactions.




It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

Aristotle



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs



Its not about doing anything to no one its about understanding your choice and how it can affect others around you... That's where your culture and mine collided in your culture you take decisions according to what suits you the most at the moment.

In mine we take for granted our actions will affect others around us therefor we don't ever do anything that can bring more harms to others than and it can bring us joy...

This is why it was defended of marrying a woman from the same tribe you lived in to prevent problems to rise with other men "brothers" that might would of have fancied her.

Also why any decision taken by any chief was done while taking in consideration 7 generations ahead ALWAYS they even respected the future children of the children they'll never even meet...

And that you can't expect others to love you like you are if you can only love yourself for what your not...



I don't need to speak for them just go take a walk in a prison how they man handle little wigger bitches…

Wow, I don't even know what that means, but I am sure you meant it to be horribly offensive and vulgar.


It wasn't its a slang name given to white people trying to act black.



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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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I regret but I support his views that its sick and add the content of my post from there. I'm surprised though that with your religious belief you are supportive didn't the Deuteronomy 2:25 says

"A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this."

???





Well, I could go on and on about the cherry picking of biblical quotes so often used by people who masquerade as "Christians" who yet ignore other biblical passages because it does not fit what they want.


Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


I could go on and on picking biblical quotes, that tell you to be loving, non-judgmental kind, generous people. I can also find mounds of quotes that tell you to do certain things that most in modern society do not follow that would be considered with the same seriousness that many of the quotes used generously to damn people with.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by RyanFromCan
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I provided a link to my quoted (non statistical, but rather factual medical) information, clearly you either did not see the link, chose not to look at it, or are incapable of reading or understanding it, but for your sake, I will link it again here for you.

Sex Chromosome Abnormalities

Funny enough, I never quoted numbers for anything, I simply provided a link to a site (from Palomar College) that dispelled the notion that XX or XY chromosomes are what defined men and women. I did not "pull" that information from my, or anyone else "ass", which clearly you are being. I think it might be best to ignore you to be honest, as clearly you have either failed to, or brought the wrong "ammunition" to this debate.

Feel free to continue when you can be bothered to make a coherent and interesting argument, your arguments as petty and dull.



wait for it....


Originally posted by RyanFromCan

You do realize, that your ignorance has just labeled a huge segment of the human race as mutants right? You may even be one yourself. If you bothered to read the linked evidence, you might find that many who have these chromosome abnormalities do not even know they have them and lead relatively normal lives, but if they were to be tested, would find that they do not fit the narrow XX/XY definition for what constitutes a man and a woman.

What do you suggest we do with all these mutants running amok in society? Now think carefully, you may be one of "them".



*rolls eyes so far they fall out of head*

ok so you didnt give a specific number but that is moot considering you dont know if there even is a number to begin with. and if there is, you have no way to know if its even significant.

ill rephrase my question. where did you come up with the notion that these mutants make up "a large segment of the human race"?

considering there is no statistical data whatsoever? your "link" contains nothing more than a theory. making it nothing short of useless.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by _R4t_
Its not about doing anything to no one its about understanding your choice and how it can affect others around you…


Oh, I see.. you are one of those guys that blame women for getting raped, right? They shouldn't have been there. If they hadn't been dressed like that. Right? Is that what you are saying? We are now responsible for what others do? We are responsible only for ourselves. If someone feels the need to punch someone because they are transgendered, that is on the person punching, not on the transgendered person.


That's where your culture and mine collided in your culture you take decisions according to what suits you the most at the moment.

In mine we take for granted our actions will affect others around us therefor we don't ever do anything that can bring more harms to others than and it can bring us joy…


Here you go speaking for other people. Don't speak for me. Don't claim what my culture is like you know me. Don't speak for other people in your culture. Speak only for yourself. The rest makes no sense.


This is why it was defended of marrying a woman from the same tribe you lived in to prevent problems to rise with other men "brothers" that might would of have fancied her.


Not sure where you are going with this..


Also why any decision taken by any chief was done while taking in consideration 7 generations ahead ALWAYS they even respected the future children of the children they'll never even meet…


You're losing me..


And that you can't expect others to love you like you are if you can only love yourself for what your not..


What they are is Transgendered. Others that understand will love them.



It wasn't its a slang name given to white people trying to act black.


No, I understood your racial epithet, what I didn't understand why you felt the need to include that line. What did any of it mean?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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I understand the anger and frunstration in your heart of what has happened and the continued assimilation. My mother was the last to go to the boarding schools in my family.

In our tribe, Two-Spirit people were respected members of the community and were seen to hold a role like anyone else. Such people were seen as walking in both worlds, they were seen as having a sacred calling and service to the people.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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I think the whole mutant issue opens up important questions like, if there are so many potential mutants, can anyone apply to join the X-men, or only a select few?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 11:18 PM
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"Christian Values".... like sending the daughters out to be raped instead of the men in Sodom & Gommorah?
Or more like the slaughter of the crusades?
Or perhaps you mean like the old, liquored up monsignor with his darling alter boys...
So many Christian Values, I just can't imagine.

Now, insofar as this stupid meat parade, who is better suited for this than drags and trannies?
The apex of superficiality, plasticity and crass commercialism.

I guess that's what you christians consider whole(hole?)some womanhood. I bet you'd take your tiny little toddler girl to a hardon-fest decked out like that poor JonBenet (cursed from christening with that name) if you knew there'd be a few bucks in it for you.

There isn't much left to tell of the winkte and berdache..."God" forbid souls find their own way via the truth.
As far as mutants, rampant heterosexuality must be evidence of genetic damage, as even animals know when to stop breeding and emerge tuned to a more harmonic scent.


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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by eletheia
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If you cannot accept that others have opposing views to your's you shouldn't be on a forum

You are quite prepared to state your views, others have a right to reply.



You're certainly entitled to have your opinion. I absolutely support that.

My problem is when you dispute medical fact with biased generalized opinions, then try to destroy the legitimacy of those on the other side of the discussion. My views are based on firsthand personal experience. You're free to deny that I am a real life doctor with actual firsthand experience dealing with this topic, but it doesn't negate the truth. What I post may not sound accurate to you, but sometimes things defy logic until you develop a deeper understanding of the subject at hand.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by LurkerLegacy

Originally posted by RyanFromCan
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I provided a link to my quoted (non statistical, but rather factual medical) information, clearly you either did not see the link, chose not to look at it, or are incapable of reading or understanding it, but for your sake, I will link it again here for you.

Sex Chromosome Abnormalities

Funny enough, I never quoted numbers for anything, I simply provided a link to a site (from Palomar College) that dispelled the notion that XX or XY chromosomes are what defined men and women. I did not "pull" that information from my, or anyone else "ass", which clearly you are being. I think it might be best to ignore you to be honest, as clearly you have either failed to, or brought the wrong "ammunition" to this debate.

Feel free to continue when you can be bothered to make a coherent and interesting argument, your arguments as petty and dull.



wait for it....


Originally posted by RyanFromCan

You do realize, that your ignorance has just labeled a huge segment of the human race as mutants right? You may even be one yourself. If you bothered to read the linked evidence, you might find that many who have these chromosome abnormalities do not even know they have them and lead relatively normal lives, but if they were to be tested, would find that they do not fit the narrow XX/XY definition for what constitutes a man and a woman.

What do you suggest we do with all these mutants running amok in society? Now think carefully, you may be one of "them".



*rolls eyes so far they fall out of head*

ok so you didnt give a specific number but that is moot considering you dont know if there even is a number to begin with. and if there is, you have no way to know if its even significant.

ill rephrase my question. where did you come up with the notion that these mutants make up "a large segment of the human race"?

considering there is no statistical data whatsoever? your "link" contains nothing more than a theory. making it nothing short of useless.


Just because I did not provide "numbers" does not invalidate my argument, if that was a case, you would NOT have an argument. So, what number would YOU attach to a huge segment of society?

Almost everybody has some genetic defect or another, define disease, does that have to be a heart disease, glaucoma, alzheimer's ect.. or can it include physical handicaps and little things like male pattern baldness, and acne... maybe mental disorders? almost everybody has one of these things in there genetic heritage

Six percent of babies are born with genetic disorders.


A new report estimates that eight million children each year are born with serious disorders caused at least partly by their genes. That is about six percent of all births worldwide. The report is from the March of Dimes organization.


8 Million is no small number, so you agree? It is greater than the population of some small nations.

March Of Dimes: Global Report on Birth Defects


Every year an estimated 7.9 million children—6 percent of total births worldwide—are born with a serious birth defect of genetic or partially genetic origin2. Additional hundreds of thousands more are born with serious birth defects of post-conception origin, including maternal exposure to environmental agents (teratogens) such as alcohol, rubella, syphilis and iodine deficiency that can harm a developing


I am not going to do the maths, but say only %75 of the children survive the first 10 years of life, that's 60 million people, say %50 percent survive until they are 20, that equated to 80 million people, not small numbers. These are people born with identifiable birth defects detected at birth, now take into consideration the number of people who do not discover that they are afflicted with genetic disorders later in life, the number just grows. So lets see so links to sources from you (it would be about time, you have not cited sources so far) that support your side of the argument.
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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by LurkerLegacy
ok so you didnt give a specific number but that is moot considering you dont know if there even is a number to begin with. and if there is, you have no way to know if its even significant.

ill rephrase my question. where did you come up with the notion that these mutants make up "a large segment of the human race"?

considering there is no statistical data whatsoever? your "link" contains nothing more than a theory. making it nothing short of useless.


Off the top of my head I believe the number is in the neighborhood of 6 instances per 1,000 live births. (In failed pregnancies the number surpasses 50%) It may sound insignificant, but based on a US population of approx 350 million, you're still looking at over 2 million affected Americans, or approximately the entire population of the state of New Mexico.

On a worldwide scale, we're talking approximately 40 million affected persons, or approximately the combined populations of California and Oregon. Hardly insignificant in either case.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Star128
"Christian Values".... like sending the daughters out to be raped instead of the men in Sodom & Gommorah?
Or more like the slaughter of the crusades?
Or perhaps you mean like the old, liquored up monsignor with his darling alter boys...
So many Christian Values, I just can't imagine.

Now, insofar as this stupid meat parade, who is better suited for this than drags and trannies?
The apex of superficiality, plasticity and crass commercialism.

I guess that's what you christians consider whole(hole?)some womanhood. I bet you'd take your tiny little toddler girl to a hardon-fest decked out like that poor JonBenet (cursed from christening with that name) if you knew there'd be a few bucks in it for you.

There isn't much left to tell of the winkte and berdache..."God" forbid souls find their own way via the truth.
As far as mutants, rampant heterosexuality must be evidence of genetic damage, as even animals know when to stop breeding and emerge tuned to a more harmonic scent.


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Oh i just KNOW there are soem T and C violations in there somewhere. Anyway what a horrible opinion on the topic at hand. Might we suggest another topic that might be trolled less? Such hatred is not warranted. I dont think that Christian values are reflected by those things you mention. To love your neighbor is a good one to start with(and no i do not mean sexually like you want to say). How about get back on topic and discuss the issue of A MtF being in the beauty contest?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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My opinion is that while talackova looks just like a woman its not a woman he is a man underneath all of the physical alterations. I just dont think it is really fair that the woman in the miss universe pageant have to go against someone that isnt really a woman. Plus there are plenty of trangendered pageants for transgendered people to be in. I think they are only considering changing the rule because people are getting their feelings hurt but people should just stop getting bent out of shape over things like this. I think if pure women cant be in transgendered pageants then transgenered men should not be allowed in a MISS universe pageant. just my opinion. Also it seems like one of the biggest problems are that she lied on the question in the application asking if she was born a female.

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posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by eyesontheskies
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My opinion is that while talackova looks just like a woman its not a woman he is a man underneath all of the physical alterations. I just dont think it is really fair that the woman in the miss universe pageant have to go against someone that isnt really a woman. Plus there are plenty of trangendered pageants for transgendered people to be in. I think they are only considering changing the rule because people are getting their feelings hurt but people should just stop getting bent out of shape over things like this. I think if pure women cant be in transgendered pageants then transgenered men should not be allowed in a MISS universe pageant. just my opinion.


I am sure back in the day, that it was not uncommon for it to be heard said "why should we let them drink from the white fountain, there are plenty of coloured fountains for them to drink from? not like they are pure like us, they have some gene thing messed up making them inferior and coloured" I will have to say it probably sounded a whole lot less educated than what I typed though.



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by eyesontheskies
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My opinion is that while talackova looks just like a woman its not a woman he is a man underneath all of the physical alterations. I just dont think it is really fair that the woman in the miss universe pageant have to go against someone that isnt really a woman. Plus there are plenty of trangendered pageants for transgendered people to be in. I think they are only considering changing the rule because people are getting their feelings hurt but people should just stop getting bent out of shape over things like this. I think if pure women cant be in transgendered pageants then transgenered men should not be allowed in a MISS universe pageant. just my opinion. Also it seems like one of the biggest problems are that she lied on the question in the application asking if she was born a female.

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Ever think since her brain was female,but her body was male she put down female because her brain chemistry was that of a female? Donald trump says he will allow her to compete so its a moot point. He makes the rules and can amend them as he sees fit.



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by quedup
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You state you are a fundamental Christian - well I'm afraid you don't sound very Christian.

I too believe in God and believe he is perfect and made all life perfect - even those who don't appear to be so. There is a reason for everything and if you think you know better than Him and feel you have the right to argue with his perfection then I suggest that you begin to use your own mind - God gave you free will. Then perhaps you will discover - just by looking around your environment, the many variations of life He has created and then you might start seeing God as he truly is, not what the Church tells you he is.
I too am Christian but when any Church - whatever the denomination tells me that I should condemn life as God has created it then NO THANK YOU!
If you believe in God as you claim then look around you - are you saying you know better than Him? You can't even make a blade of grass and yet you think you understand all of his creation - you and your teachers.
Use your own mind - that's what He gave it to you for. Free Will (not someone else's) Open your Eyes and See!


Wow, this post made no sense.



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