posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 08:09 PM
reply to post by ~Vixen~
I hate social issues. I really do. They are a distraction from what the 1% is doing to exploit society and cr*p up the planet.
Let me say very broadly that when a group desires inclusion in to society they generally agree to accept its strictures and limitations, albeit a bit
broadened. Sometimes this has bad effects, like when the Irish accepted the racism of America but exempted themselves by adopting the label of
"white." At the same time, the idea that a group would uphold some of the limits of society by asking for inclusion seems rational.
African-Americans accepted the system that we might call "American values," their good and bad aspects. Even the high crime rates in the inner city
are a kind of adoption of American values. Very little of "Africa" can be detected in the rampant individualism of rappers.
It stands to reason that asking for equal rights is also a request for equal responsibilities. Or, more to the point, they are a request for equal
inclusion in to the attributes of a given society. Generally people who start out by demanding their rights have the good sense to say that they
deserve it by virtue of their similarities to other upstanding members of society. That is why I would expect the gay and lesbian community to also
want to uphold the boundaries of society while pressing to expand them in order to include themselves. I would think that they would actually want to
be gender conservatives in many respects, especially considering how they often adopt gender specific norms themselves (with their own
interpretations). It only stands to reason that "acceptance" means broadening the limits without abolishing them.
Intellectuals and artists can flaunt limits, but they have social standing to do so. Us'guys the ordinary peeps do not. In order to be accepted, we
have to uphold a bunch of social norms and believe me I personally hate it. I find them oppressive. However, I understand the reasoning for it. I
think that changing your gender by surgical means is a form of self-mutilation that I oppose along with designer babies, chimera's and other weird
creepy things. If I have to adopt all sorts of norms that I find oppressive then I think that I have the right and standing to press claims myself.
Gays and lesbians should be the first to oppose the high-jacking of their movement by those who press boundaries too far, just as immigrant groups
were the first to proclaim their patriotism in times past (and as Mexicans today are strongly active in the military).
I need invoke no philosophical rationale for it other than the fact that I don't like it. Any beauty contest that upholds it I simply don't watch.
I don't watch those things anyway because Donald Trump is probably the ugliest I have seen of any gender and can't stand his arrogance.
The idea that some abstraction called tolerance supercedes evolutionary biology may be true. I certainly oppose eugenics. However, I think that even
there those being sterilized would assert commonality with other Americans in their struggles, not continual harping on differences to shock social
norms. I may be intolerant, but since all I have seen from this society is intolerance toward broad groups of people I cannot understand how it is
that America folds so easily on this one.
Let him compete as a woman if he wants but he is still a man in my book. But, that's me. I really could care less. Religion and "family values"
issues are always used on both sides to distract from who is picking the pocket.