Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Anyway, what's happened to the bunkers from previous wiped out civilisations? Why don't we ever dig them up?

For once a good, direct question.

You can read about tunnels throughout the Earth and underground cities everywhere. They exist and they are inexplicably man-made. And they go down deep and they go on for miles and miles. Our planet is honeycombed with tunnels which can't be explained; some connecting different countries together. Furthermore they date back at least 10,000 years. They are man-made not natural lava tubes. Why would primitive man need to live in tunnels and spend so much of his time making them? Well, if an even earlier generation had retreated from the demolished surface world, tunnels became mankind's natural home. The American Indians say their ancestors lived in underground cities and came out from under the ground. www.unexplained-mysteries.com... www.youtube.com...

If this isn't enough of a clue, it's necessary to pose the next question: If we have civilizations living deep underground in cities and moving among miles of tunnels, how did they See in the dark? I can't answer this question but dating back thousands of years to various accounts of illuminated tombs being discovered (not to mention writings in old books, especially Alchemy which is where you'd expect to find lost tech knowledge passed along) there are references to "ever-burning lamps" which defy our current understanding but would explain the How. To take the next logical step, we can conclude that these "ever-burning lamps" represent a remnant of a long-lost High Technology once employed in the ancient world in a time before humanity was destroyed. www.levity.com... www.levity.com...

To further wet your appetite, I could throw in strange sightings of beings like Bigfoot, Yeti, and all the other hairy cryptid giants (including the Jersey Devil and Mothman) and mention something which curiously ties them all together. They are all sighted within the vicinity of caves or caverns, or regions where entrances to deep crevices into the Earth are known to be located. It isn't too difficult to imagine that they originate from an underground society.

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Originally posted by blocula
Mainstream school teachers,college professors,scientists and archaeologists,ect,ect all receive their paychecks and their money grants from the state and government and they are made to follow the pre-determined,pre-arranged guidelines of the currently enforced belief structures,deceptions and historical lies of tptb,purposefully designed to intentionally ridicule,suppress and deny the out of place out of time artifacts and evidence.

How many individuals would you estimate are in on this worldwide conspiracy? 1000000? A million?

Who's to say how many? Through compartmentalization, a mere handful of people could be running the planet. The people under them merely follow orders as do the people under them and so on and so on. Money is quite a motivator, too. You throw in laws and police forces to enforce them, restricting access to knowledge, and practically everything runs itself from the top down. You don't have to be "in" on a conspiracy to be a part of it. You only have to follow orders or the law.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Anyway, what's happened to the bunkers from previous wiped out civilisations? Why don't we ever dig them up?

For once a good, direct question.

Which you've not answered. Show me a bunker that was made using modern style technology, that would have been used by your hypothesised society that would have shielded them from this nuclear war?

The fact that humans, for thousands of years, have built underground labyrinths is no secret - some archaeologists specialise in this area. It does not indicate any level of technological sophistication whatsoever. All that's needed to dig a tunnel is a wooden paddle - though people have dug them with their bare hands.

Ancient, machine dug, concreted tunnels....now that would support your hypothesis...unfortunately we've never found any.

Here is a much better article on the German tunnels you linked to.

A few radiocarbon dating analyses have also been performed, and they indicate that the galleries date back to the 10th to the 13th century. Bits of charcoal recovered from the Erdstall tunnels in Höcherlmühle date back to the period between 950 and 1050 A.D.

Heinrich Kusch, a prehistorian from the Austrian city of Graz, believes that these results are incorrect. He suspects that some of the subterranean systems were built about 5,000 years ago, in the Neolithic period. For several years now, he has been probing Austria's Steiermark region with giant drills for "gateways to the underworld."

But Kusch's theory has lost some of its appeal. All of the radiocarbon dating analyses completed to date indicate that the tunnels were built in the Middle Ages, challenging the validity of the prevailing school of thought. It holds that the tunnels were built during the Migration Period (known as the "Völkerwanderung" in German) in the 5th and 6th centuries, when entire tribes left their homes and abandoned the cemeteries of their ancestors. The assumption was that the tunnels and galleries were created so that the dead could still be venerated.

It is clear, at any rate, that they were built by professionals. They dug the tunnels in a kneeling position, using wedge-shaped tools held with both hands. Every few meters, they chiseled cavities into the walls for their oil lamps. They dug the longer passageways in serpentine form to reduce the pressure from the surrounding earth. Supporting planks were not used.

Around the year 1200, the underground labyrinths were filled in and the entrances blocked with rubble. The rubble contained ceramics clearly attributable to the Gothic period.

You can read about tunnels throughout the Earth and underground cities everywhere. They exist and they are inexplicably man-made.

What's inexplicable about a tunnel?

And they go down deep and they go on for miles and miles. Our planet is honeycombed with tunnels which can't be explained;

No, it isn't. Hundreds of miles of disparate tunnels does not equal "honeycombed". Explaining them is easy: people dug them using crude tools.

If this isn't enough of a clue, it's necessary to pose the next question: If we have civilizations living deep underground in cities

There have been no civilisations living in deep underground cities. This is arrant nonsense. How would they eat? Where would their agriculture take place?

reply to post by FatherLukeDuke


That is what the whole Cover-Up is about. In the dark, Deep tunnels: How would they see? How would they eat? How would they survive?

I've already answered how they would see: using advanced "ever-burning lamp" technology of their ancestors. If you're going to live in a deep underground bunkers, you damned well have reliable light sources available. They've been lost to the past, but there are writings about them. Obviously man-made tunnels Cannot be made in the dark! And they do honeycomb the Earth's crust. Why would simple cavemen do this? Well, maybe if the surface was unlivable... don't ya think? And food sources, well, hydroponic gardens and the like I would guess.

I can no more show you these advanced underground bunkers of our long-lost ancestors any more than I can show you the cities reported to be under Giza. Nobody's allowed down there. In fact, it's a major No-No Law in countries these days to go exploring in caves. The government will fine you and/or imprison you. They don't want us looking Down There.

Now I'll throw a little speculation in, since it's obviously needed to get the old noggin going. You have an advanced civilization which builds nuclear bunkers miles under the Earth untold thousands of years ago to escape a surface nuclear war (or Some sort of catastrophe which would drive populations to seek shelter underground). Obviously the descendants of these people, still "trapped" underground, would branch out over time; dig their own tunnels, probably using advanced tech at first and then, after centuries, regressing to simpler tools. These tunnels will branch out from the main underground bunkers and the farther they branch off, the cruder they will become. I suspect degenerate breeds of man who became cutoff from advanced tech to in turn build sub-standard mini-cities at various points as well, on their way to branching outwards and hopefully upwards. Eventually they'll reach the surface and reclaim it. They become, to give one example, the American Indians, with nothing but myths about their ancestors having emerged from the Earth (around Death Valley and the Grand Canyon) in some long distant time. It is therefore only the crudest of tunnels which are discovered first, but would we be allowed to trace these tunnels deep into the Earth, sooner or later we'd encroach upon more Advanced, machined tunnels and from there the original high-tech bunkers and cities. The latter you would not find under one mile beneath your back yard. And if by some freak chance you Did discover something, FatherLukeDuke would be called a liar and put away in some mental institution somewhere. By that time all evidence would have been taken care of...

Now--Today--why should We build bomb shelters miles beneath the Earth. I mean, you've said it yourself, how would people see, how would people eat, how would people breathe? If the technology exists today to answer these questions and make life livable down there...Obviously it had to once have existed long ago for an ancient civilization to do the same. An ancient hi-tech global society. It's come full circle.

io9.com...
www.heartcom.org...
weburbanist.com...
sarenafuller.hubpages.com...
www.darkroastedblend.com...
www.cappadociaonline.com...
www.allenvarney.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

OK, enough links for now, as if you'd actually follow them.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
That is what the whole Cover-Up is about.

You take the position that there is no evidence for your pet hypothesis, therefore there is a cover-up, therefore your hypothesis is true.

Do you honestly not see any potential flaws in that line of reasoning?

In the dark, Deep tunnels: How would they see? How would they eat?

Yes, what did they eat?

I've already answered how they would see: using advanced "ever-burning lamp"

Or just plain old oil-burning lamps. Or, if you want to go earlier, then something like this:

The first lamp was invented around 70,000 BC. A hollow rock, shell or other natural found object was filled with moss or a similar material that was soaked with animal fat and ignited. Humans began imitating the natural shapes with manmade pottery, alabaster, and metal lamps. Wicks were later added to control the rate of burning

source: inventors.about.com...

Of course they could have used your magic lamps, but there is no evidence that magic actually works, and quite a bit that it doesn't, I prefer scientific explanations, before resorting to sorcery.

And food sources, well, hydroponic gardens and the like I would guess.

You'd guess? No evidence then? Indoor hydroponics requires an entire infrastructure to support it - electricity, fertilizers and all the high tech manufacturing needed for parts such as the light bulbs.

Where is all this stuff? Oh yeah, the cover up....

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by Harte

 

Well, look who's back! I thought your masters at the Vatican replaced you with FatherLukeDuke because of your previous failures at condemning the truth around here.

Been busy torturing a handful of rogue Egyptologists that we caught on the verge of spilling the ancient alien beans.

I asked for a reference, and all I get is flack?

Harte

reply to post by CaptainLJB
For one example,the president of the united states is not controlling the government and hes not running the country either,hes just a public prop,a face and a voice,reading scripts that someone else wrote,that the mainstream sheeple can look at,relate to and focus their attention upon,but if we really knew who was "running the show" we would not like what that truth would reveal,in fact,we might be horrified...

Originally posted by CaptainLJB

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

Anyway, what's happened to the bunkers from previous wiped out civilisations? Why don't we ever dig them up?

To further wet your appetite, I could throw in strange sightings of beings like Bigfoot, Yeti, and all the other hairy cryptid giants (including the Jersey Devil and Mothman) and mention something which curiously ties them all together. They are all sighted within the vicinity of caves or caverns, or regions where entrances to deep crevices into the Earth are known to be located. It isn't too difficult to imagine that they originate from an underground society.

We live upon 57,000,000 square miles of land surface area on earth...

Theres 139,000,000 square miles of water surface area on earth...

Which means theres 196,000,000 square miles of total surface area on earth...

Theres 332,000,000 cubic miles of ocean water...

Theres 259,668,000,000 cubic miles of ground area beneath our feet...

Which means theres 260,000,000,000 cubic miles in total volume of earth...

Theres 4,000 miles from the earths surface straight down to its core...

Yet the furthest any human has ever gone down into a cave is only about 2 miles...

And the deepest hole ever drilled is only around 7.5 miles...

Are we fully comprehending what those above numbers are telling us and what they actually mean?

Over 95% of our earth is "Totally Unexplored" and "Completely Unknown" to us!

Seriously,think about that! Its simply fantastic,unbelievable and yet very true!

When i first realized the implications that those numbers represent for us,a very real shudder traveled up and down my spine,we appear to be so concerned about the moon and outerspace,when all the while we dont even know hardly anything about most of our own planet...

We are purposefully misled by perpetually being told to look in the wrong direction for the aliens,up instead of down and we are persistently lied to and taught to think that the aliens are arriving here from up there in outer space,when they actually originate from right here on earth...

The aliens reside deep beneath us underground and far below within the oceans,hidden realms, unreachable and impenetrable places that we cannot go to,but they know how to get to us and they have been for a very long time...

reply to post by blocula


Well just back and....we find blocula has post his old material - as new instead of using a link, how naughty

blocula old post - just copying your old stuff huh blocula? lol

See you tomorrow just stopped in to see if I had any messages...

Oh by the way read a piece of science fiction you'd like. It any may ways it parallels your obsession.

The book is The Lost Millennium by Walt & Leigh Richmond, printed 1967 by Ace books

reply to post by Hanslune
Whats your point disecting and criticizing my posts and threads? i'm re-surfacing relevant information,that i wrote,whenever it agrees,is able to add to and backs up someone elses thoughts and ideas and theories...

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by LS650
I believe it's very possible there were past civilizations that were maybe as advanced as say the Roman Empire, but no more. I see claims all the time that plastics will last for literally thousands of years in landfills - so if there have been technically advanced societies, where is all the plastic? They just didn't make plastic? I doubt it.

Why would you doubt they made plastic? that's a silly assertion to make, no offense. .. plastic is a synthetic, why would you assume a previous advanced society must have mastered plastic?

They have developed plastics now that are plant based that biodegrade just fine and relatively fast ... maybe they were smart enough to skip the synthetic plastics..

And I tend to think that civilizations could have evolved technologically different.. they could be advanced while having entirely different technology.

I think that is a terrific answer. Because I was really stumped looking at a site that said plastic soda bottles would last forever. But it seems that if they were a "green" type society they would be interested in something like a "plant based plastic" if they had plastics at all. Very good, now you just helped keep up my ancient alien theory

Originally posted by Harte

Been busy torturing a handful of rogue Egyptologists that we caught on the verge of spilling the ancient alien beans.

I asked for a reference, and all I get is flack?

Harte

I thought that was out of your league. Torturing Egyptologists falls under the jurisdiction of Dr. Zahi Hawass.
and of course keep that underground city beneath Giza hidden.
philipcoppens.com...

A highly recommended article about one of your heroes.

The Truth is Down There!

reply to post by CaptainLJB
Dead wooly mammoths,dead wooly rhinoceros and other animals have been found many times in a still standing position,with broken bones,with their instantly frozen,perfectly preserved bodies containing tropical vegetation inside their stomachs and their mouths and those facts are telling us a horrifying story of a terrible naturally occurring and unstoppable cyclic reality,that will tear the surface of earth asunder and it will devastate humanity someday and nothing will stop it from happening,again...

Mammoths Killed By Pole Shift > www.maya12-21-2012.com...

Mammoth Mummies Mystery > rockglacier.blogspot.com...

reply to post by blocula


Or they're coding this, for just because something occurred then, does not mean the same event will happen now.

By coding I mean trying to bring it in.

reply to post by Unity_99
Pole shifts have happened many times,the magnetic elements within volcanic magma,while cooling, align themselves towards the direction of wherever the magnetic poles of earth happened to be at the time.Those poles have shifted numerous times in the past and nothing will stop them from happening again.We just dont know how slowly or rapidly they occur and those instantly frozen mammoths and other instantly frozen animals, that i mentioned and linked to above,are brutal evidence for what is awaiting humanity.Although the vast majority of us,walking around half asleep and driven by greed,while posessed by materialistic illusions,are ignoring and denying those terrible realities,until the sad and sorry day suddenly arrives when we collectively and simultaneously receive one helluva rude awakening,again

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by blocula

 

Or they're coding this, for just because something occurred then, does not mean the same event will happen now.

By coding I mean trying to bring it in.

Right. If Earth was hit be a meteor Once it won't happen again. Ditto for comet. Ditto for any number of catastrophes. We've had a tsunami or two, and a quake or two--probably Never happen again... Just trust in the Lord and the power of Prayer and all will be well. Lightning Never Strikes Twice.

In fact why don't we just all blow our money Now and live for today. Don't even look towards the future or question anything at all. Forrest Gump was right.

Sheeple!

Depending on whatever kind of horrible cataclysm befalls us,its severity,its location,how long its negative after effects last,the possibility of it unleashing a chain reaction of other disasters upon us,its extremely distressing and traumatizing psychological effects and if it happens with or without any prior warning,will determine to a large extent,how many people live through it and how many people die from it...

and there are so many terrible things that could happen any moment of any day...

like gamma ray bursts,massive solar flares,total nuclear war,megaquakes,comet strikes,super volcanic eruptions,asteroid impacts,massive tsunamis,global super storms,extreme temperature shifts causing a sudden ice age,or a rapid melting of the polar ice and snow, a small moon or planetoid passing too close and ripping away earths atmospheres and other types of horrible self inflicted,or naturally occurring,sometimes cyclic calamities...

Let's go to Turkey. The underground city at Derinkuyu... "The city could accommodate between 2000 to 3000, maybe 4000 people maximum and had all the usual amenities found in other underground complexes across Cappadocia, such as wine and oil presses, stables, cellars, storage rooms, refectories, and chapels."

"The complex has a total 11 floors, though many floors have not been excavated. Each floor could be closed off separately."

"In excess of 200 underground cities containing a minimum of two levels have been discovered in the area between Kayseri and Nevsehir. Some 40 of those contain a minimum of three levels or more."

And to think that not that far to the South is India where all those mysterious radioactive zones where cities once stood consisting of green glass thousands of years old remain...from a nuclear war. And further South is Adam's Bridge, that man-made land bridge miles and miles long built by "ape men"...


Source: Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Unity_99

 

Pole shifts have happened many times,the magnetic elements within volcanic magma,while cooling, align themselves towards the direction of wherever the magnetic poles of earth happened to be at the time.Those poles have shifted numerous times in the past and nothing will stop them from happening again.We just dont know how slowly or rapidly they occur and those instantly frozen mammoths and other instantly frozen animals, that i mentioned and linked to above,are brutal evidence for what is awaiting humanity.Although the vast majority of us,walking around half asleep and driven by greed,while posessed by materialistic illusions,are ignoring and denying those terrible realities,until the sad and sorry day suddenly arrives when we collectively and simultaneously receive one helluva rude awakening,again

edit on 29-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

The have been numerous pole shifts with no indication of extinction within the fossil record....

reply to post by aorAki


And we get meteor strikes from time to time too. Means nothing until a Big One happens.