Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

Spartannic...an ancient, forgotten, advanced civilization, may not have been a paper/metal/plastic based society like we are. oil, coal and gas might have been completely useless and meaningless to them...

we have lived in this industrial/petroleum age for so long now and have been posessed by the temporary, materialistic illusions it creates. that it's hard for us to even imagine living any other way and that is exactly why "when" the next natural or man made cataclysm occurs, we won't know what to do and in the aftermath, the survivor's will become strangers in a strange land. they will have to start over again. they will become like prehistoric man...cave men

Originally posted by blocula
Spartannic...an ancient, forgotten, advanced civilization, may not have been a paper/metal/plastic based society like we are. oil, coal and gas might have been completely useless and meaningless to them...

You're not gonna become advanced without first learning to use electricity.

Even if you end up eventually not using it, you have to start there.

You can't learn anything about using electricity until you can generate it and conduct it.

Both imply a very large metals industry and (at the very least) large hydroelectric facilities, neither of which would completely disappear over whatever (reasonable) time frame you want to use.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by blocula
Spartannic...an ancient, forgotten, advanced civilization, may not have been a paper/metal/plastic based society like we are. oil, coal and gas might have been completely useless and meaningless to them...

You're not gonna become advanced without first learning to use electricity.

What? You're not gonna become advanced without first learning to use electricity ? Where do you get this nonsense from. I dont think this subject is for you.

Originally posted by blocula
Spartannic...an ancient, forgotten, advanced civilization, may not have been a paper/metal/plastic based society like we are. oil, coal and gas might have been completely useless and meaningless to them...

we have lived in this industrial/petroleum age for so long now and have been posessed by the temporary, materialistic illusions it creates. that it's hard for us to even imagine living any other way and that is exactly why "when" the next natural or man made cataclysm occurs, we won't know what to do and in the aftermath, the survivor's will become strangers in a strange land. they will have to start over again. they will become like prehistoric man...cave men

As noted earlier its hard to create any type of civilization or even culture without tools, fire and shelter - all of which leave traces, even present day hunter gatherers leave traces.........as noted earlier also we would not fall back into 'cave man' status. Not all the world is run by high tech, I've worked with Yucatec and Itza Maya, Miskito and the Gurung - who live in a world where if technology disappeared it would annoy them but they would carry on - they wouldn't drop back into 'cave man'.

You might want to visit India and see how much technology is used by and affects a rural farmer in the areas of the Deccan, Orissa or Oudh.

we won't know what to do

I'm sure you don't but they do

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by blocula
Spartannic...an ancient, forgotten, advanced civilization, may not have been a paper/metal/plastic based society like we are. oil, coal and gas might have been completely useless and meaningless to them...

You're not gonna become advanced without first learning to use electricity.

What? You're not gonna become advanced without first learning to use electricity ? Where do you get this nonsense from. I dont think this subject is for you.

You mean the subject of spewing the first nonsense one can think of, proclaiming it the "truth," and then refusing to provide any reason at all for someone to even begin to believe it?

How about you tell us how a culture becomes technologically advanced without ever discovering and using electricity.

Oh, wait, that's right. You don't provide any reasons for anyone to believe what you say.

Maybe you could get somebody else to provide us with this information so you don't have to violate your self-imposed "don't tell" rule.

Harte

Harte maybe, just maybe

so you don't have to violate your self-imposed "don't tell" rule.

SH is one of the elite slumming down here on a mission to taunt us mere untermenschen! He cannot give us details as that would cause him to be sent to his room.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Harte maybe, just maybe

so you don't have to violate your self-imposed "don't tell" rule.

SH is one of the elite slumming down here on a mission to taunt us mere untermenschen! He cannot give us details as that would cause him to be sent to his room.

Dont be jealous of my handsome youth.

are we fully comprehending what an axis tilt of earth actually means? and the fact that it would cause,without warning,sudden and massive mega tsunamis. they would drown,crush and drag out to sea just about everything that was'nt built below ground and there would'nt be just one wave,but whole series of waves...

and an ice age ,with miles high mountains of ice,grinding and crushing their way across the continents would totally devastate and destroy at least 95% of any evidence of an advanced society. erosion and decay would finish off most of what was left.the gigantic depressions in the ground, that are now the great lakes, were caused by the gargantuas weight of the glacial mountains pressing down upon the land...

the yucatan asteroid of 65 million years ago, caused a mega tsunami almost 2 miles high!!! think about how huge that wave actually was...wow!!! that is millions and millions of tons of moving weight which could bend steel....just what would be left after that? and then add in hundreds of years of erosion and decay.and at least a few generations for human survivors to make any kind of re-adjustment...

unfortunately,i think that after any large scale disaster.the survivors would at first find themselves in a "mad max,road warrior" type of society and then they would continue to struggle and fight amongst themselves until finally they descended into a prehistoric state...

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The hopi 3rd world





Some Hopi accounts of the Third World contain the tantalizing information that "flying shields" had been developed there, capable of attacking faraway cities and coming back so quickly that no one knew where they had gone.

When this world and its advanced civilization was finally destroyed by Sotuknang, this time with great floods, the people who still remembered the plan of Creation took refuge inside the hollow stems of the bamboo.

Then came their emergence into the Fourth World.

The previous world before this one.www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The world axis, the two poles, and the precessional path in which the poles travel over time. The Hopi believed that the twin guardians of the world who kept the poles from moving, Poqanghoya and Palongawhoya, had actually stepped aside from their duties temporarily at Spider Woman's command, allowing the Earth to roll over twice at the end of the Second Age, causing the entire world to be flooded, and then frozen for many generations, possibly centuries.

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are we fully comprehending what an axis tilt of earth actually means? and the fact that it would cause,without warning,sudden and massive mega tsunamis. they would drown,crush and drag out to sea just about everything that was'nt built below ground and there would'nt be just one wave,but whole series of waves...

You keep repeating yourself - care to show the scientific evidence that there has been an 'axis tilt' in the time frame covered by your claim? Waves don't carry everything out to sea they leave an extensive damage line inland (which is how they are detected - unless of course you are claiming that a wave hiting the coast of what is now France will carry all the way across to the East of coast of Asia? LOL

....yawn..... repeating your same claim that everything would be destroyed yet these 'blocula' waves did something remarkable, in blocula's world they destroy everything but at the same time don't wash away the existing stone tools and fossils for that period - how does the wave know how to selectively remove all this advance civilization stuff but leave all the Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic materials insitu? LOL, care to explain THAT miracle?

and an ice age ,with miles high mountains of ice,grinding and crushing their way across the continents would totally devastate and destroy at least 95% of any evidence of an advanced society. erosion and decay would finish off most of what was left.the gigantic depressions in the ground, that are now the great lakes, were caused by the gargantuas weight of the glacial mountains pressing down upon the land...

.....double yawn... so blocula are you now claiming that glaciers covered the entire planet? They didn't covered the entire planet, southern Europe was clear, etc....perhaps you do some studying first?

the yucatan asteroid of 65 million years ago, caused a mega tsunami almost 2 miles high!!! think about how huge that wave actually was...wow!!! that is millions and millions of tons of moving weight which could bend steel....just what would be left after that? and then add in hundreds of years of erosion and decay.and at least a few generations for human survivors to make any kind of re-adjustment...

Ah blocula that was 65 million years ago no such waves have been seen geologically in the time frame of your claim - you keep making wild unsubstantiated claims - you might want to do something even wilder like provide a shred of evidence - instead of repeating your claim over and over again?

unfortunately,i think that after any large scale disaster.the survivors would at first find themselves in a "mad max,road warrior" type of society and then they would continue to struggle and fight amongst themselves until finally they descended into a prehistoric state...

Nope, studies by Kelley and others have shown that warfare is a spur to invention and innovation. Civilizations have collapsed before - did they 'go back to the stone age'?

AE collapsed- didn't go back
Rome fell Europe went into the dark ages but not the stone age
China fell but again no stone age

Care to demonstrate a documented return to the stone age?

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You may be right about this, brother.

But if we're still here, why give up now?

Originally posted by Hanslune
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....yawn..... repeating your same claim that everything would be destroyed yet these 'blocula' waves did something remarkable, in blocula's world they destroy everything but at the same time don't wash away the existing stone tools and fossils for that period - how does the wave know how to selectively remove all this advance civilization stuff but leave all the Paleolithic, Mesolithic and Neolithic materials insitu? LOL, care to explain THAT miracle?

and an ice age ,with miles high mountains of ice,grinding and crushing their way across the continents would totally devastate and destroy at least 95% of any evidence of an advanced society. erosion and decay would finish off most of what was left.the gigantic depressions in the ground, that are now the great lakes, were caused by the gargantuas weight of the glacial mountains pressing down upon the land...

.....double yawn... so blocula are you now claiming that glaciers covered the entire planet? They didn't covered the entire planet, southern Europe was clear, etc....perhaps you do some studying first?

Double yawn? Really? What a pathetic way to respond.

He never said the entire planet. What with the complete utter ignorance and lameness with these old guys pretending to be gate keepers. Its becoming viral.

Yes, Blocula, if there was any 'highly civilized' cities anywhere near the Canadian border and along the Mississippi they would of been ground to dust and and dumped in the Gulf of Mexico.


Here may be a source to certain global myths

The lake drained at various times south through the Traverse Gap into Glacial River Warren (parent to the Minnesota River, a tributary of the Mississippi River),[3] east through Lake Kelvin (modern Lake Nipigon) to what is now Lake Superior,[4] or west via the Mackenzie River through the Northwest Territories.[1] Geologists have found evidence that a major outbreak of Lake Agassiz about 13,000 BP drained north through the Mackenzie River into the Arctic Ocean.[5][6] A return of the ice for some time offered a reprieve, but after retreating north of the Canada – United States border about 9,900 years ago, Lake Agassiz refilled. The last major shift in drainage occurred about 8,400 years BP. The melting of remaining Hudson Bay ice caused lake Agassiz to drain nearly completely. This final drainage of Lake Agassiz contributed an estimated 1 to 3 meters to total post-glacial global sea level rise.[citation needed] Much of the final drainage may have occurred in a very short time, in one or two events, perhaps taking as little as a year.[citation needed]
Lake Agassiz' major drainage reorganization events were of such magnitudes that they had significant impact on climate, sea level and possibly early human civilization. Major freshwater release into the Arctic Ocean is considered to disrupt oceanic circulation and cause temporary cooling. The draining at 13,000 may be the cause of the Younger Dryas stadial.[1][7] The draining at 8,400 may be the cause of the 8,200 yr climate event. A recent study by Turney and Brown links the 8,400 drainage to the expansion of agriculture from east to west across Europe; he suggests that this may also account for various flood myths of prehistoric cultures, including the Biblical flood.[8]

en.wikipedia.org...




"Much of the final drainage may have occurred in a very short time, in one or two events, perhaps taking as little as a year". A 9 foot global sea level rise is enough to completely cover Florida and Manhattan and make it uninhabitable if this were to occur today.

I wonder if any pulses could of caused any local Tsunamis.

What is advance then? Ancient Sumerian was extremely advance to anything before it, so when anyone of you says advance we need to define it and compare it to today.

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Double yawn? Really? What a pathetic way to respond.

It is quite appropriate for someone making the same claim over and over again and failing to provide evidence at any point. However since you like to make 'sound bite' comments, here is a question for you how many times has blocula made the same essential claim in this thread?

He never said the entire planet. What with the complete utter ignorance and lameness with these old guys pretending to be gate keepers.

Really not the whole world, well we agree then, then why would 'everyone' go back to the stone age if the civilization wasn't destroyed? Are you also age bias too?

You might want to ask blocula to be more precise and provide evidence then.....but then I don't think you will.

At least you try to provide evidence, the above doesn't fit into blocula time frame (it is hard to determine what it is as blocula declines to provide it but he has given clues) and they occurred at different times and as your own evidence states not evidence of a sea rise fast enough to swamp a civilization.

Are you still working on providing evidence for your previous claims on knowledge given to kings?

I think it makes sense. But we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the last great humanity necessarily reached our height of development. That's a human flaw, to always set ourselves as examples.

Maybe they achieved something similar to the late middleages and having no refined materials or composites, what ever that would have given a hint of their technological advances would have decayed over the span towards the next great humanity.

However, I think this cycle will, depending on the periode before we rise again, leave some trace that will give clues to the however takes over after us. They will try to figure out how and what we were doing, and hopefully come to the conclusion that human ambition and greed are not qualities but weaknesses.

That is if humans will be the rulers of the next cycle...? I think some outside intervention or forced evolution is in order by now.

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Maybe they achieved something similar to the late middleages and having no refined materials or composites, what ever that would have given a hint of their technological advances would have decayed over the span towards the next great humanity.

Even getting to that level would leave significant traces of there presence. What did they eat?, any society at that level would have had to developed sophisticated agriculture and animal husbandry.
What did they grow for food?, all of the readily cultivatible plants have been domesticated within the last 12000 years. How did they work the fields or transport food to the supposed cities and towns. All of the domesticable animals have been domesticated within the last 12 k years. Genetic studies have shown this to ne true.
The advent of agriculture shows up with undeniable traces, such as the pollen of thee plants, in mud core samples from lake bottoms or in ice cores from the arctic or antarctic, which by the way go back tens of millions of years.
And these mythical previous people had everything they needed to make the trudgingly tedious advancement from simple foragers or hunter gatherers, to a metal using culture, in one area without affecting any other humans around them.

Wow, pretty quiet for a thread that has had such a "lunge-parry&riposte" quality to it. So nobody's got anything to say, about how a mythical civilization could have fed itself without leaving any trace of agriculture. Nor the breeding of domesticated animal.
The lack of any large draft type animals is one reason for people of the central americas never realty advancing beyond a city state society.

here it is hanslune. straight out of my imagination. the yucatan asteroid of 65 million years ago caused wave's 1.86 miles high.large enough to completely engulf madagascar,for example. the link > en.wikipedia.org...

and by the way " i do provide evidence" in the over 20 links that i have posted in this thread.did you even read any of them?

do you mean neandertals ?

they had brain size similar to homo sapien sapien, but the record simply doesn't support any technological advancements that could lead to a catastrophic event, there would be evidence, I believe the half life of Uranium is in the 700 million years range.

we are living in the longest period in between ice ages since humans developed serious brain function, I think that may be the more plausible explanation for mankinds apparent rise and fall

Originally posted by punkinworks10
Wow, pretty quiet for a thread that has had such a "lunge-parry&riposte" quality to it. So nobody's got anything to say, about how a mythical civilization could have fed itself without leaving any trace of agriculture. Nor the breeding of domesticated animal.
The lack of any large draft type animals is one reason for people of the central americas never realty advancing beyond a city state society.

traces of what? would be left behind...unless they had glass and they probably did'nt,"nothing would remain" after a relatively short period of time... decay time of common materials link > www.greenlivingtips.com...