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Men and Child support. What is the answer?

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posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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no, I answered for me!! he can answer for himself!!!
the post that was responded to was posted to me, and well....he was just saying that he thought the same thing that happened to me and my husband happened to his family....
so if his story doesn't make sense, guess mine doesn't either???




posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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I know the answer to men having to pay a lot of child support to many women!

Stop making so many babies with different women. Have one or two children and snip it. And if you are going to decide to breed, also decide to really commit to the marriage and you will only have to support ONE family, not two or three.

Life should be hard for people who have lots of kids. We dont need lots of babies, the world has too many people as it is, and people who choose to overbreed should have consequences for it.

I know it seems mean, but thats how I really feel about it. Stop pumping out tons of babies. Have one or two, and treasure them. Raise them well. Invest a lot of time and care into making them really good people. Dont spit out 10 and just hope one or two makes it.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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What gives parents the idea that it is ok to separate or conceive children without a shared household?

My solution is... Completely stay out of it, or take complete control.

You make the commitment to raise children, and you fold on that commitment....BOOM...JAIL!!!!

you knock a chick up and take off without marrying her...BOOM....JAlL!!!!

Problem fixed.... Family unit now protected.

You leave your husband, Marry another dude, make ex husband continue paying....BOOM....EXTORTION....BOOM....EXECUTION.


BOOM....BOOM....BOOM!!!!
edit on 2-6-2011 by tom goose because: add a few more booms



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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you must be a dinosaur...that's so 50ish!!!
it's the 21st century, we do things differently now!!!

on a serious note, one would do well to realize that once kids come into the picture, there is no such thing as divorce really, like it or not, you will have to spend the next 20 or so years interacting with the other parent of your child!! chose that other parent wisely...



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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There are places just like that in the World.

I suggest that you go look at how great those places are. The results speak for themselves.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by tom goose
 


There are places just like that in the World.

I suggest that you go look at how great those places are. The results speak for themselves.


Then stay out of it, let social pressure take care of it. The courts can never be fair in these situations unless they have clear rules laid out to fallow...BOOM!!!



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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I agree. And no, Im not a dinosaur yet, but Im working on it. I just take responsibility seriously. I take better care, and take my responsibility for my PETS more seriously than some yokels do for their own flesh and blood.

And why people think they have to make a baby with every person they marry or date I will never know.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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We hear the term "Deadbeat Dad" thrown around like a household term around Mother's Day and Thanksgiving-Christmas holidays when our corporate government goes out and arrests men (in 96-98% of all child support cases, men are the victims) for revenue collection. So, I ask the question, "Who's a "deadbeat dad"? Someone who can't or won't pay child support? Who can't pay? There are a lot of fathers out there who've lost their jobs thanks to our government meddling into the banking and mortgage businesses, and now the car businesses. Government, with its lapdog press, like to pick on groups of people to create animosity and divisiveness. It's time to show the government for the real "deadbeat" that it is.

Anyone arrested on one of these child support arrearage orders is being arrested on a fraudulent order; being arrested on a CIVIL matter. The U.S. Court of Appeals (2nd highest courts in the land) as well as the US Supreme Ct. hold that one can't be arrested on a CIVIL matter because there is no 4th Amendment probable cause that a crime has been committed to issue an arrest warrant. See, Stevens v. Rose (9th Cir. 2002), Allen v. City of Portland (9th Cir. 1995), Wooley v. City of Baton Rouge (5th Cir. 2000), Peterson v. City of Plymouth (8th Cir. 1995), Moore v. Marketplace Rest.(7th Cir. 1985), Paff v. Kaltenbach (3rd Cir. 2000). Also, included is the Third Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals case of U.S. v. Parker, 108 F.3d 28, 30-31 (3rd Cir. 1997)(child support a civil, commercial debt). In U.S. v. Lewko, 269 F.3d 64, 68-69 (1st Cir. 2001), the First Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals held that child support is nothing more than a common civil, commercial debt, and that it is NOT any "special kind of debt". Again, another fraud perpetrated by government officials. Every other Circuit has followed suit and hold that child support is a common commercial, civil debt.
Some will claim that child support is not gender biased. If not, then why don't we hear about DEADBEAT MOMS, who fail to pay ordered support in over 65% of cases?
Before castigating fathers for not supporting their children, show concern for the corrupt courts who CREATE those fatherless children for profit. The judges and complicit politicians (who happen to be mostly lawyers who pass these anti-family laws), over the past thirty years, have trivialized fatherhood by giving sole custody to the mothers in 90(+)% of cases, denying fathers their due process rights, treating them like criminals, and separating them from their children in order to separate them from their money. Divorced, or single fathers have had fatherhood beaten out of them, and so, have no consideration for the responsibilities of siring children.

Neither is there any respect for marriage by the women bearing those children. Fatherlessness breeds sexual promiscuity. The socialist-liberals in the courts, the legislatures, and the editorial offices have created this national systemic problem. They have designed programs to throw money at the problem by using more enforcement processes. Those programs have the opposite affect from what was desired. Instead of slowing or stopping the problem, they made it WORSE, creating even MORE fatherlessness, and criminalizing more fathers. When you analyze the situation with an open mind, it may occur to you, as it has to many, that failure to pay child support might actually a rebellion against tyranny.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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Amen,
couldn't have said it better myself...or I would have.




posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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You go ahead and look for those sites that list deadbeat parents, and you'll find both genders. It just happens that the guys rack up bigger bar tabs.

Nice big post about how you are oppressed by women and children. Victims of your own penises apparently.
edit on 2011/6/2 by Aeons because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by CobraCommander
One other thought here as well, if I may.

I know of many single parent-households where the mother has several children by several different men. If, let's say, two of three fathers are not paying support because they are in prison, is that suddenly the responsibility of the third father to make up the difference and pay the rent and utility bills for children that are not even his?


What father do you know who pays support for other children? That's really reaching.

There are set rates now. Support is based on earned income.



If a father is paying rent on a place that other kids are living in, clearly he is paying for some other man's kids.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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my dad was the son of a deadbeat dad, this would have been in the 20's or 30's...
my half sister had a deadbeat dad...never met the guy, but well, once she hit the age of independance, well, she was off tracking him down, came home with the knowledge he wasn't worth tracking! she's around 60 now, and has just found her brother this past year....
my dad was a non-deadbeat dad, so, I knew those brothers, although we were quite poor growing up!! still wouldn't have traded those two brothers, even if they weren't around all that much, for less proverty!!

parents shouldn't be allowed to skip out on their kids, parents shouldn't be allowed to block off access to their kids from the other parent. even the jerks should have access to their kids, even if all that means is that the kids will grow up knowing their fathers were jerks...of course, if they are dangerous jerks, well, then maybe some safety precautions should be taken.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Mate; those stats were 1989........it's now 2011

HELLO! Wakey wakey!


Yes - exactly. Things are changing and there is more balance today - as far as father's rights - then there was 20 years ago.

I know 3 fathers right now that have full custody of their kids. I've know others throughout my life.

I know one woman paying alimony to her ex while still having to fully support their minor child. The ex was a well educated man in a high profile job - - until alcohol took him. The state said he was incapable of holding down a job - - so she has to support him.





wasn't my post i was re posting it from the thread so the poster would know what i was talking about when i praised him for his contribution but i did a bit of research and found the most recent census statistics it isn't pretty here ya go

www.census.gov...

www.census.gov...

the statistics haven't changed much... and in some instances it has gotten worse. it may not seem that way to you, many live amongst this daily and do not know. none of my co workers know my personal struggle, i have a co worker that went through nearly the same ordeal i did.
i am not stating what i think things are i am stating things as i have experienced them.
the statistics don't lie.
I want us all to get along pretty please.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by CobraCommander
We are still trying to sort it out, but our best estimate at the moment is that the state pocketed over $15,000 in child support from us.


That doesn't even make any sense.



Let me dumb it down for you. My father paid over $15,000 in support that we never got. The state took it from him, but it never got to use.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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Here is my two cents worth. You find a cute cupie doll of a wife... crazy as batsh*t but great *ss. You dug your own hole with the whole situation. Try to find a real woman and quit worrying about how her tits and *ss look. Worry about her mind. Reverse is true for women too who complain about the crazy ex.

Start looking at the opposite sex based on intelligence, loving personality, honesty, loyalty. THEN see if she becomes attractive. If someone attracts your attention like a shiny penny... usually you need to run... them's the scary ones.. lol. Just saying. Physical perfection is the last thing I look for. I have learned my lessons the hard way myself. Luckily no kids are being tortured from it.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by CobraCommander
Don't pretend as if you are the only one who pays bills. I run a group foster home.


A few pages back I asked you if you actually had any children.

Your response was: "Not now, no. I did have."

Something is just not adding up.





Foster kids and group home kids are not "my" children.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
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You hate women. You make that clear. I called you out on it. You don't like it.

Your big block of text on me is amusing. I believe that is called an attempt to derail and distract with verbosity.

The nice thing about clarity - it is often short.


Still more personal attacks and off topic discussion. Maybe I will have my wife get on here and tell you all about how much I hate women.



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by Komodo
Dads Against Discrimination



posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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The answer is to eliminate child support in its current form. If the state is so concerned about children, then perhaps the state can directly fund the expense of raising children...


Easy now. I think we are already headed in that direction. I have seen too many kids taken away that never belonged in a group home. And then there is the whole public school system that is about the same as our prison system...

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posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Stewie
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You are insinuating exploitation. Shame on you.
I am proposing that we have not even begun to explore how the children can contribute to their own well-being.
And, I have some history as well dear, if you really want to go there.



They are contributing. That's what school is. That's their work. It is very important work in a modern society.

And I will not allow fools and scoundrels to derail the very basis of freedom so that you may duck out on your own responsibilities.

Shirking off YOUR adult responsibilities onto children. SHAME.
edit on 2011/6/2 by Aeons because: (no reason given)


I have been working since I was 11, legally since 14, emancipated at 16. Can't say it's a police I support, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do when times are tough.




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