Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission

reply to post by greeneyedleo


The reaction of Bush following the planes crashing into the WTC is hardly comparable to Obama carrying on like he didn't know they had Osama in the cross hairs. He did do something, he is the CIC, and he had to secure going into a country where we are not welcome in order to take out/capture the US top enemy.

In his speech he describes what his actions were in giving the orders to go ahead, at no time did he say he went commando and did it himself. He gave full credit to the intelligence and to the men that carried out the mission stating we would never know their names and faces.

All this Obama/Osama nitpicking crap needs to stop it's getting beyond silly now.

reply to post by greeneyedleo


When the obvious IGNORANT blind racism stops, I will stop calling a spade a spade!

geeesh... Just because you aren't racist doesn't mean everyone isn't.. PERIOD!

Both of you jumped in, in the middle of a conversation, that worked its way to the racism subject. I wasn't calling either of you racist. Both of you felt that you needed to "correct" me...

Both of you may very well have legitimate reasons to dislike Obama other than race... maybe not, who knows.

Do you think that there are some people that won't give Obama a fair shake because of his skin color?
I will go ahead and assume that you will agree that racism is present in some Obama hate... right?

Maybe your hate of Obama is NOT racist... maybe it is all his policy and his personality.. I get that....

But when you take away what he has done here, it comes across as ignorant and small minded.. Surprise!!! (sarcasm)

reply to post by beezzer

We'll have to agree to disagree. True and effective leaders, at least the wise ones, rarely if ever, act on their own. A good leader knows how to recognize the strengths, value, and contributions of his or her team, how to weigh it all, and then to act. No one person can do it all or alone.

reply to post by Bad Dog


Bad Dog, Everyone seems to have passed right by your comment and continued the SH race card play so I will circle back around and bump it. I first saw the photo from the "situation room" and had the same thoughts about Obama looking completly un-leaderlike. He is pulling up a chair to the table trying to squeeze in to the picture.
I thought this was silly why was he not in the chair that the Air Force officer is sitting in? When I read that article about Panetta I thought this has to be closer to reality than what we have been told by the "official" story. I am not saying the run down is a complete picture because in these types of situations one aid or assistant would be very unlikely to have the complete picture. I have a good hunch that Obama looked like he was playing it cool at the Saturday diner because he was not aware of the operation being at the ready to go. He was under the assumption that it was going to take Panetta a much longer timeframe to get things in motion.
I would not have a major issue with him waiting 16 hours provided that observation of the compound was real time and 24 hours. If he was able to be updated its not to big of an issue. I am more disturbed by the possibility that the Department heads put the mission into place and began to execute it an only brought him in as the figurehead.

I do have an issue with all of the Obama jock sniffers claiming his leadership was so solid and clearheaded. He was pragmatic and reasoned. If this had happened 5 years ago under the Bush administration you lot would have been picking Bush apart for being a cowboy gunslinger who didnt think things through enough. "What if this had failed? What would Pakistan do?" The very same questions you are telling us Obama considered and then still decided to act woul dhave been used to condem Bush's decsion to act. Sit down and take a long hard look at yourself and ask yourself if you are honest enough to see your own bias. I am glad we got UBL, I dont care that Barry was on the seat when it happened. I still dont like our half white President because he is a socialist anti-liberty progressive who wants to expand the power of government.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by ShaunHatfield

 

Seriously.......stop the damn race crap. Obama is crappy president and it is not because he is tanner than some white people of his own family

It is the left and his supporters that constantly CONSTANTLY remind us that he is black and that is why we all cant stand him.

It is old. And it makes all of yall look like you have no other defense for his incompetency

edit on May 4th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)

This race BS is exactly why I'm going to support Herman Cain in the 2012 election so I can turn things around on the Democrats who speak out against him.

Like you said, it's not the color of Obamas' skin people dislike. It's his beliefs.

It probably took him 16 hours to try to memorise the fake story he would be obliged to deliver about the fake death.

Originally posted by beezzer

Leaders act.

Consensus takers react.

I'm glad that it didn't matter. Many times, things are time sensitive. He could have blown it. Big time. He got lucky.

Have you ever heard the expression "only fools rush in"?

Good leaders take consensus. Bad leaders act on their whims.

It seems like you would prefer a military dictatorship or some form of government where a single figure is the end-all be-all. Thankfully, we live in the modern world and our leaders are expected to actually consider what is the best course of action before they recklessly act. Every single US president has had advisers of some form. Are you saying they were all poor leaders?

I'm really glad that this time around we have a POTUS who will carefully consider his actions and thoughts. The last thing we need is another "Decider". That really worked out well for us...

I don't doubt this, and I like it

I'm old enough to remember carters disaster in the desert

it's no small thing putting the best seal team we have in harms way, and if it had gone wrong it would have been his legacy

it was very close to going wrong

the pakistani's scramled jet fighters. if they had engaged the seals transports and shot them down, who knows we may be at war right now

It's obvious I think to everyone by now that Pakistan or some higher-ups in Pakistan have been keeping Osama Bin Laden safe, and this was another GOOD CALL by the President to keep Pakistan out of the loop. Had he gotten them involved you can bet Osama Bin Laden would have slipped away in the dead of night.

Originally posted by Crakeur
he took 16 hours to make the decision, they're claiming the op went down on Sunday, which means that, during that 16 hours, he took a break from contemplating an action that could/would define his legacy and his presidency to write and perform at the White House Correspndent's dinner which was held on Saturday evening.
He sure doesn't seem like a man wrestling with any serious issues or decisions here
[snip video clip]

Yes, I think the proper term for it is called " Playing President..." He has to put the happy face on at certain times and so as to not let on about what could be happening behind the scenes...

This is what makes him good.

Remember, Bush tried it too that morning on Sept 11th when he was visiting a class full of school kids and news cameras...


I don't have a problem that a decision which could very well make or break Obama's Presidency took 16 hours. So the heck what. The entire mission from the gathering of intel to execution took months and months to assimilate. And even then they still were at best 80% sure he was even in there.

The fact that they never informed Pakistan of what was going to happen bought them that extra time to be sure, because that dirty scum bag Bin Laden had no clue what was about to happen. So another 16 hours to decide at that point didn't really matter.... as we all can see, we still got him.

Careful deliberation. Sleep on it. Weigh the risks. Consider the lives of the SEALS carefully. consult with advisors, moment of truth...

16 hrs sounds reasonable. Glad careful well reasoned decisions are being made by the man at the top.

Edit to add: ...and consult with the first lady

Probably went down down something like this.

reply to post by Alxandro


LOL! That setting looks familiar.....

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
You think he wrote his speech in the few hours before the dinner? You think he wrote his speech? He can deliver a funny line, but I'm pretty sure that speech was written and approved DAYS before the dinner.

Come on BH, you know that instead of doing anything important, Obama was photoshopping that Trump WhiteHouse pic for 16 hours and apparently inventing a time machine so he could spend most of Sunday prepping for Saturday night. Where is your critical thinking?

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by beezzer

 

A good leader knows how to recognize the strengths, value, and contributions of his or her team, how to weigh it all, and then to act. No one person can do it all or alone.

Q:Then why does this guy always prefers to take credit for everything else others have done?
A: Because he ain't a true leader!

Originally posted by ShaunHatfield
reply to post by Intelearthling

 

Your right... He should have followed in Jimmy Carters foot steps and just went in guns blazing!
wow.... wow.......wow

From all the confusing reports, some things have been pretty consistant. Osama had not been visually confirmed until the raid actually want down and we did know that women and children were there. Clearly Obama should have bombed the place like a real American Hero does! Many of the people upset over this had no problem bombing all over Iraq and Afghanistan no matter who was being targeted so I guess that is what they wanted. None of this time to think crap!

Or maybe if Obama was a real hero, he could have learned a lesson from Bush and sent an entire army to attack the house across the street.

Originally posted by beezzer
I realy don't care if he takes credit. That's one of the perks as POTUS. Everything he says or does will have political ramifications, though.
16 hours indicates a non-decisive, consensus gatherer.

Not a leader.

Break it down for us. What happened exactly at minute 1. What did Obama know right from the beginning and how ready were they? What about minute 2? Tell me exactly which minute out of those 16 hours you feel he should have acted. It seems like you were there and know exactly what everyone knew, was prepared for, and when.

Minute 3? Why was Obama still not giving the go ahead at minute 3? What exactly was going on?

Originally posted by OhioPariah
reply to post by beezzer

 

As opposed to reading My Pet Goat.

And then just a quck year and a half later, Bush took action.

hmm if the official story on OBL's death is true then 16 hours is a long time to make a decision.... I mean think about it.. 16 hours. I would have thought you could make a rational decision in a maximum 5 hours.

Originally posted by Caleb.K
hmm if the official story on OBL's death is true then 16 hours is a long time to make a decision.... I mean think about it.. 16 hours. I would have thought you could make a rational decision in a maximum 5 hours.

Then you tell me. Exactly what did they know at hour 5? How ready were the teams to go in? Please help me understand the imaginary timeline you all adhere to. What was goingo on at hour 5 that you know about that the rest of us do not?