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Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission

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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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they never make there mids up always changing stories




posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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actually, the United States was granted permission from Pakistan for the Helicopters to fly through Pakistani Airspace for the mission. And yes Pakistan has a whole lot of explaining to do,



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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No, its not war, its a covert mission inside of a sovereign nation.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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if it was my call and i had intel on where osama was

the decision woulda been made in less than 16 seconds extremely less.

obama has no right to be commander in chief when he and the left had their ways we would have no military and no intelligence agencies in this country.

i cant stand that guy taking all the credit.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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When the US Navy Seals are involved in anyway, then the president calls the shots, he is, in fact, the supreme commander of the United states military.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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The mere fact that Obama made the decision in his own time shows that he is not a puppet to the military war machine or political body of the US senate.

I think it was a Job well done...................



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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Show me once please where Obama is taking all the credit??? please do. And give the man some credit, yes all he had to do is give a yes or no order, but what do you expect him to do? go kill him himself? I mean come on? He has specialist in his cabinet and white house staff that are trained to hunt these people down, do all the work, the president can't do it all. That is why it is peoples jobs to do it. Thats like saying FDR deserves no credit for helping win WW2, none at all, or kennedy deserves no credit at all for getting us to the moon.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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16 Hours to make any decision in a war is pathetic - this is what we would call in the military a classic example of the Staff Officer who doesn't realize he is in Command....

There is a huge difference between the two in responsibility.

A Commander makes decisions based on the information provided from the Staff Officers who deliberate the details and present options; he does not need to deliberate over the minutia himself because his staff does that for him.

The problem with Obama and the progressive elite's like him they always think they are the smartest person in the room and therefore they must outthink all the experts in the room - their anointed "thought process" must be slow and deliberate rather than swift and accurate.

Certainly he knows more than the career Military Officers and Intelligence professionals in the room with all his real world experiance right?

Swift and accurate is what Command is about - since the anointed one Obama had never been in charge of anything prior to taking office I can understand his confusion.

Perhaps if he had ever had responsibility for anything of importance before being elected we'd have know he was an indecisive and ineffective douche. Glad that OBL did not die of old age while he deliberated.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Golf66
16 Hours to make any decision in a war is pathetic - this is what we would call in the military a classic example of the Staff Officer who doesn't realize he is in Command....



Originally posted by neo96
if it was my call and i had intel on where osama was

the decision woulda been made in less than 16 seconds extremely less.


So...break it down for us.


Originally posted by Sinnthia
Break it down for us. What happened exactly at minute 1. What did Obama know right from the beginning and how ready were they? What about minute 2? Tell me exactly which minute out of those 16 hours you feel he should have acted. It seems like you were there and know exactly what everyone knew, was prepared for, and when.

Minute 3? Why was Obama still not giving the go ahead at minute 3? What exactly was going on?


I am more than all ears on this one.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Golf66

The problem with Obama and the progressive elite's like him they always think they are the smartest person in the room and therefore they must outthink all the experts in the room - their anointed "thought process" must be slow and deliberate rather than swift and accurate.


Oh boy, here we go...

Im sorry, but you've no clue what was being discussed in that room in the days, hours, minutes, leading up to this mission. So how can you sit there pretending like you know the thought process that lead to the ultimate decision to go in. How do you know Obama wasn't given a timetable to make a decision?

You don't. Nobody does except those who were in that room when the call was made. So you're entire first point is moot.


Certainly he knows more than the career Military Officers and Intelligence professionals in the room with all his real world experiance right?


Got the sarcasm here. Clearly he gets his advice and council from these people. What makes you think he knows more than them? No matter what, the ultimate decision is his, right or wrong. And in this case he made the right decision.


Swift and accurate is what Command is about - since the anointed one Obama had never been in charge of anything prior to taking office I can understand his confusion.


What would've been the need to rush the decision when it took months to determine the probability that he was there, based on the intel he was given. And even then they were only 60% sure he was there. So clearly he made an accurate decision. Not bad for guy who doesn't know what he's doing.


Perhaps if he had ever had responsibility for anything of importance before being elected we'd have know he was an indecisive and ineffective douche. Glad that OBL did not die of old age while he deliberated.


Very confusing statement here. We were successful. The man is dead.

Indecisive and ineffective? Wow. Clearly, for whatever reason, you just don't like the guy.

But because he allegedly took so long to come to a decision to invade a neighborhood of a sovereign nation on only 60 or 70% odds that the target was there, AND was successful, shouldn't be the reason you think he's a douche.

I'd like to see you being faced with a decision like that.
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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by PhotonEffectIm sorry, but you've no clue what was being discussed in that room in the days, hours, minutes, leading up to this mission. So how can you sit there pretending like you know the thought process that lead to the ultimate decision to go in. How do you know Obama wasn't given a timetable to make a decision?

You don't. Nobody does except those who were in that room when the call was made. So you're entire first point is moot.


24 years of service in the Army of which most was spent as first an Infantryman then a Special Forces Engineer Sergeant, a Team Leader and a Company Commander I think I have a little perspective of what was being discussed. Been on a few raids, planed and lead many more and watched more than I care to from a helmet cam.

I am not pretending to know but I am certain many of my assumptions and conclusions are closer than those of many here save a few others who have served in the same community.

I can assure you that it was planned for months and 16 hours to make a simple go/no-go would get him kicked out of ROTC as a cadet let alone from the desk at the white house. Please...

It doesn't take 16 hours for a Commander to make any decision...


Originally posted by PhotonEffectIndecisive and ineffective? Wow. Clearly, for whatever reason, you just don't like the guy.


Well, you got that part right.


Originally posted by PhotonEffectBut because he allegedly took so long to come to a decision to invade a neighborhood of a sovereign nation on only 60 or 70% odds that the target was there, AND was successful, shouldn't be the reason you think he's a douche.


You don't float a SEAL Platoon and multi-million dollar aircraft (classified and unique aircraft at that) on 60%-70% odds - learned that one on JSOC Staff in the J2.

I suspect they had eyes on the target 24/7 from blades-up to assault time though as you already said both of us are speculating but I am speculating on 24 years of experience 17 In Special OPS. They had a mock up to scale of the compound and knew the composition of the walls and what he ate for diner three weeks before and who served it to him and with what spoons.

Perhaps you know how a HVT of national interest is stalked, and targeted then again perhaps not. Do you know what it costs to reposition a satalite - what do you think that Airforce Brigader is doing in the photo of the situation room checking his facebook? They were watching the whole thing my friend and had been for a long time.

Having actually done it at time or two I am certain that some of my assumptions are more than likely – doctrine does not change that quickly even in SOCOM. You don't put men in foriegn nations (an allied one at that) without thier permission no less in stealthed birds for 70% odds - I think I have made my point there.


Originally posted by PhotonEffectI'd like to see you being faced with a decision like that.


Making the decision to kill a man or woman for that matter is not an easy one. I think about every one of them still and will till the day I die - from the times I actually pulled the trigger to the times I have ordered it done. Air strikes, artillery, sniper kills, and simple assaults I've seen and done them all one round at a time and 100 bomblets at a time... I make no excuses for my actions and I know not all of them were even the best ones but none of them took 16 hours to make.

Now when I was on J2 staff we worked missions for weeks and months even but when we briefed the Commanders at the decision briefing (which might be 2 hours long but not 16) at the end he made a decision then not went to a fund raising diner and slept on it.

I got my first t-shirt when Obama was committing voter fraud in Chicago for a living - buying votes with other people's money much as he plays the game of thrones with other men's lives today. He is not fit to make the decisions about what to feed his kids for diner let alone what is best for a nation. Likely he deliberates as long when he has to take a crap.

He is a coward, fraud and liar of the highest order. I submitted my retirement request as did many others in November days after he was elected.

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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Golf66
24 years of service in the Army of which most was spent as first an Infantryman then a Special Forces Engineer Sergeant, a Team Leader and a Company Commander I think I have a little perspective of what was being discussed. Been on a few raids, planed and lead many more and watched more than I care to from a helmet cam.


So what is taking so long, G.I. Joe? Lay it all out for us. You are clearly an expert in the know and the only way to make your case is going to be to make it. So, what did they know at minute 1 and what should they have done at minute 1. Carry us through the entire process. What took 16 hours that you would have done in less than 59 seconds and I do expect details.
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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 12:07 AM
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it's not an easy decision to kill some one in cold blood. even though he is accused of mass murder, in n. america we are taught from young to respect the rule of law and that all men are innocent until proven guilty.

this went against every american principle and even though it is a war, killing unarmed combatants is a war crime.

he should have been arrested and brought to trial, not executed. even the worst world war II nazi's were given a trial.

it shows the world that we mean what we fight for, not disregard it when necessary as a matter of convenience.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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I have a few questions and a few comments. First, the questions:

1. Why was he killed instead of being tried in a world court? Was this really the decision? How are there heroes in such an event?

2. Why can the US go in and do as they please in so many countries to the citizens of those countries, with impunity?

3. Why does the US point fingers at others for lesser offenses than the US itself commits?

4. How do the events of 9/11 give this sovereign right to instigate this absurdly disproportionate world tyranny, and as such, why do any of us tolerate *still now*?

5. If this had happened in Japan, China, Russia, Germany, Australia, the UK, France, Spain, the Netherlands, or any other country, would we have been subjected to any of this? If so, for how long? What would have transpired in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and at what point would the line have been crossed?

Does none of this make you wonder? Do you really just accept it as it's presented, at face value? How is any of this in keeping with what the US has always touted as fundamental, inalienable rights of every person on the planet? Isn't that what we were told made America great? Aren't those the values with which America was granted such respect as they once had? How much is America respected now? What is America now?

It's over. It was a farce and a fraud. It was all smoke and mirrors. You see it now for what it is: Filthy. Hypocritical. Disrespectful. Tyrannical. Maniacal. Shameful.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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Originally posted by SinnthiaSo what is taking so long, G.I. Joe? Lay it all out for us. You are clearly an expert in the know and the only way to make your case is going to be to make it. So, what did they know at minute 1 and what should they have done at minute 1. Carry us through the entire process. What took 16 hours that you would have done in less than 59 seconds and I do expect details.
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It is impossible to have a debate or conversation without a common frame of reference - clearly you don't understand the Military Decision Making Process either in theory or in practice. Therefore any details would be wasted. You have all the details you are going to get from me and I have all those I am going to get.

Look-up some information of Staff Planning and the role of the Commander; perhaps what teams are needed for a successful raid or even the proper proceedure for securing and clearing an objective.

Just say what you mean - the man can do no wrong in your eyes...check.

Anyone can see that by reading any of your adoring posts about Barry.

If you want me to go through Obama's 16 hour process it's probably like....golf swing - getting better, selling some votes, which union to pay off, raise some more money to buy more votes by flying all over in AF1...oh yeah those SEAL's have a plan all laid out and ready to go. But I do have that book I'd rather like to read - let them wait a while longer. Nah -first I'll have a Kool and shoot some hoops with REV Jesse.

For you since you seem slow - the mission was already planned, rehearsed and waiting for him to say go/no-go and had been for weeks if not months it had been back briefed and war gamed to death yet - the Mighty O just needs a little more time to outthink the experts...

Just put down the cool aid for a minute get up off your knees for a few minutes and stop looking up at the man and see him for what he is...he's a boy playing at being king and the commoners are eating it up.
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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 03:07 AM
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Was the PSA Obama made on Sunday worth it?
I mean, they didnt have this much hype around Saddam's death and he was equally as evil.
I dont know, i felt like there is something more to all of this. Something theyre about to tell us soon.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:50 AM
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hey genius.... Nice to meet you, I am "brutal honesty" ... Your a tool!

Please read this carefully.... read slow, so you can take it all in.

Obama took 16 hours to finalize his decision. The troops were ready to go, awaiting his response. Lets look over what he should have done. Why? Because every "nose breather" on the internet thinks they know more than our president. Is he a good president? Nope! Is he evil? Nope! The only thing BHO can be called, is naive!

So you say he shouldn't have waited 16 hours to decide to:
1) Invade a sovereign country
2) Invade a sovereign country, 700KM away from their version of west point.
3) Run the risk of Pakistan cutting ties, or declaring war.

He should have rushed the situation? Was there a need to rush? No need to rush at all, he did all the right things to get the outcome he wanted.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by ShaunHatfieldhey genius.... Nice to meet you, I am "brutal honesty" ... Your a tool!

Please read this carefully.... read slow, so you can take it all in.


Good morning sunshine you basically said what I said other than disagreeing on waiting another 16 hours while the men waited in the go/no-go status. Perhaps it is only perspective that makes the difference I don't really care - I know full well what it’s like to wait for a decision and to make one.

When it gets to go/no-go all the Intel is in; all the briefs are over, all the plans are final, all the rehearsals are done - the key decisions have been made etc...

Mission to invade Pakistan to get OBL - Check dreamt up rehearsed and briefed months ago what else is there to consider.

Location of Pakistan Military School - Been known for same amount of time.

Possible reactions of Pakistan - already briefed discussed long before even before training started in case that leaked and they reacted to the compound they found that looks suspiciously like the one recently built near 700m from their Military School.

When a mission gets to go/no-go depending on the operation the troops may already be in the air like when we fly from the US for a HALO insertion and have been going through final prep for several hours. How many times have you sat on the tarmac/pad/hide/ship wanting for a go/no-go that either never came or came after you had started to lose your edge from sleep deprivation or the adrenaline starts to wear off?

So what are 16 more to sit on his ass and wait and rehash all the things he already hashed.

Of course there are eyes on all the time - I said that; I have done that and we will never know what happened in those 16 hours.

If he were a more decisive and competent or experienced leader maybe I'd have given him the benefit of a doubt. Considering his track record he spent it "in deep thought at a fund raiser or paying off some union thugs".

His delay caused more possible complications than they helped. He's a naive waffler as you said... I don't think he's evil and certainly no evil genius but a liar and cheat and a naive waffler for sure!

A man who has no previous leadership experiance and his track record wouldn't be given Command of a Boy Scout hike let alone a mission like this and the best part was his speach after and 3:29 in he says how he's the one who made it all possible by making the kill/capture of PBL his top priority...


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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by SinnthiaSo what is taking so long, G.I. Joe? Lay it all out for us. You are clearly an expert in the know and the only way to make your case is going to be to make it. So, what did they know at minute 1 and what should they have done at minute 1. Carry us through the entire process. What took 16 hours that you would have done in less than 59 seconds and I do expect details.
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It is impossible to have a debate or conversation without a common frame of reference - clearly you don't understand the Military Decision Making Process either in theory or in practice. Therefore any details would be wasted. You have all the details you are going to get from me and I have all those I am going to get.

Look-up some information of Staff Planning and the role of the Commander; perhaps what teams are needed for a successful raid or even the proper proceedure for securing and clearing an objective.


Why would we do that? As you have stated, the plan was already formulated. He was mulling over the idea of sending 4 choppers into a nuclear country, in the middle of the night, UNANNOUNCED YOU FOOL!


Just say what you mean - the man can do no wrong in your eyes...check.


How about you just say what you mean...
Please read through the thread... I think Obama is a horrible president. BUT... he is not a bad man. he meant well, just didn't fully understand "good o'l boy" Washington. All of his promises, he really thought he could accomplish them.



Anyone can see that by reading any of your adoring posts about Barry.
If you want me to go through Obama's 16 hour process it's probably like....golf swing - getting better, selling some votes, which union to pay off, raise some more money to buy more votes by flying all over in AF1...oh yeah those SEAL's have a plan all laid out and ready to go. But I do have that book I'd rather like to read - let them wait a while longer. Nah -first I'll have a Kool and shoot some hoops with REV Jesse.


wow.... really? LOL... Point proven... Check!
If you took 2 minutes to look, you would see that most of his day was spent surveying the tornado damage and then back to the situation room. You should just come out and say it "I can handle having a black Democrat as my president"


For you since you seem slow - the mission was already planned, rehearsed and waiting for him to say go/no-go and had been for weeks if not months it had been back briefed and war gamed to death yet - the Mighty O just needs a little more time to out think the experts...


LOL - Sinn seems slow? WOW - talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Don't you have a Busch light to drink, or a woman to beat?? Sinn makes you look like a single cell organism!
In your wee little mind, do you picture him taking the 16 hours to critique the actual plan?? Ya think he might be contemplating invading a sovereign country (a nuclear one) in the middle of the night? maybe?



Just put down the cool aid for a minute get up off your knees for a few minutes and stop looking up at the man and see him for what he is...he's a boy playing at being king and the commoners are eating it up.
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Why would she be on her knees? Are you implying something? Kind of like your kools, b-ball and koolaid comments? You should start trying to get over yourself.. it might take a while!


You added some things while I was typing... How is he a liar and cheat, please be specific!

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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by Golf66

Nah -first I'll have a Kool and shoot some hoops with REV Jesse.


There it is. It's never too hard to find the racism.
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