Parents who smoke should be found unfit to be parents...

reply to post by Kailassa


Exactly, psychological reasons!! Not logical physical reasons. And you should be proud of your girl. I started smoking when i was 12 years old and i was under the illusion that it was hard to quit for a very long time. But after reading Allen carrs "Easyway" it was obvious that it was just that, AN ILLUSION. Sure some people have less control of themself mentally to realize how easy it actually is to stop smoking, but that's the only reason it's harder for them. their brainwashing is stronger. The thing is your daughter made it harder for herself, than it actually is. I know plenty of girls, who started smoking in their early teens, but it wasn't hard at all, after they read the book i mention. Your daughter, thought it would be hard, and your brain is a powerful thing. if she was convinced of the usual illusions that the smoker has, it's no wonder it was hard for her. But it didn't need to be, if she had known the truth. You don't need will power to stop smoking, but if you think you do, it will be hard in some cases.

Smokers don't need to smoke, but they keep making excuses for themself, they brainwash themself. But if they mentally didn't have reasons to smoke, they wouldn't smoke, since the physical abstinenses are so small, they would realize how easy it actually is to stop. Allen Carrs easyway, takes away your reasons for smoking. it doesn't give you reasons not to smoke, but show how every reason you had for smoking is either a self created or a social created illusion, nothing more.

If you daughter ever falls in the trap again, i will recommend her to read that book, since there is a reason for it being called "Easyway". Actually i will recommend her reading it no matter what, since it doesn't sound like she's actually got rid of the brainwashing, since it was so hard for her. The only thing the book will do, is remove her brainwashing in regards of smoking. But it might make her feel stupid for making it so hard on her self, and she maybe have a hard time at accepting it.

reply to post by pinkeltje


I never took up cigarette smoking. I have however watched cigarettes destroy the lives of family and friends.

Quite an enjoyable topic though!

Originally posted by tigpoppa
Parents who smoke are no better then pedophiles who rape children.

That's just... unreal.

Nevermind the MSG, Flouride, Glutimates, Mercury and God only knows what else we don't have choices about ingesting, let's go after tobacco first. As soon as cars stop running and factories quit belching, then come talk to me about second hand smoke.

reply to post by ExCloud


Apologies. Ignorant? Hardly. I am certified, educated and experienced within the medical field. May I restate my view? I wish to agree with all your points. The proof remains not with me, but with the stained walls, teeth and smell alone YOU mentioned that makes it bad. Otherwise, being a good thing, it wouldnt do all those things.

One thing I am troubled with in this world we share...is the bumper sticker that reads "Smokers have rights too". Perhaps...but not to inflict stains, smells and agitated breathing to those around them. (2nd-hand smoke)

Ive always thought that in a free society, we should just legalize all drugs. Put the government tax on it all, and let people kill themselves or their brain cells should they want to. That way...everyone could do what they wanted at their own cost, and the government could get the tax $$$. As long as the rest of us dont have to be around them.

Here in Michigan, you cannot smoke anywhere...even outside of the main entrances to buildings. Not in bars, restaurants, etc. Only in casinos and bingo halls, and only in designated outside areas. And in Amsterdam Holland, beginning last year, the hash bars now have had to isolate smokers with glass partitions so the non-smokers dont have to breathe it. (which is pretty stupid considering thats the reason they are there). So, all in all, its a changing world.

By your one opening remark friend...to someone you dont know...it implies you have as much animosity towards those who dont share your opinion...as you have empty cigarette packs.

Still...it is your right to do, say and smoke as you please. Peace....

I just switched over to an electronic cigarette, Cig 2 O, yesterday. It is actually cheaper to use than cigarettes.

It gives you the feeling of a cigarette 'hit' at the back of your throat. It delivers nicotine via steam, without the tar and its numerous carcinogenic components. I can use it just about anywhere as it has no odor or smoke. You can't start a fire with it either.

In my opinion people like the author of this thread are a real problem. My parents and my grandparents smoked, I didn't smoke till my twenties, and then only for a year, I occasionally smoke these days, I've never had an addiction to smoking, never had the urge to light up in my life, I have never had any serious health issues, and never had any health issues related to smoking. My point is this: my parents, and my grand parents(now deceased) are/were loving, kind people who done their very best for their kids all their lives, and it's is an absolute insult to human dignity to say anything like they are/were unfit parents. To the author of this thread I say this: mind your own business.

For anyone who is just so adamant about parents who smoke around their children, answer these questions.

Do you allow your children to eat foods with high fructose corn syrup, aspartime or saccharine (or other unnatural artificial sweeteners) or even ( as many argue) refined white sugar? You are knowingly poisoning them. All of these things are very unhealthy and can be highly addictive.

Do you allow your children to consume anything with fluoride in it (tap water, just about any bottled drink)? You are knowingly poisoning them. Fluoride doesn't get totally processed by your kidneys. Some is left behind and it builds up over time. Poison.

Do you allow your children to consume anything containing preservatives? More poison.

Do your kids eat and drink out of plastic containers? Poison is leaking into their food and drink.

Do you use chemical cleaners and air fresheners in your home with your children? Nasty stuff. Just because something says it kills 99.9 percent of all germs or makes your home smell springtime fresh does not automatically make it safe and healthy for you to inhale or get on your skin.

And ( not to try and over-state it) driving a gas powered vehicle adds more crap to our air in a day than a smoker would in a year or probably a lot longer. Larger cities have smog levels, for crying out loud. Where's the outrage? Nope, that's perfectly acceptable because we all need cars to get on with our lives. But a smoker standing out in that high-smog air breathing his second-hand smoke near you? Off with his head!

It's a line that seems to be drawn with social acceptance rather than health when it comes to what we do every day in our lives. Because it is socially acceptable, it is okay? As I stated before, unless you live in an organic bubble and avoid just about everything and anything we use today for convenience, you're poisoning yourself and your children. Knowingly and directly. And we're all okay with that. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Cigarettes are not the only combustible item that contains carcinogens and nasty tar when burned. Anything that is burned does. Therefore, if you like a nice fire in your fireplace to get your home nice and toasty in the winter and you have children, you should be deemed unfit because you are intentionally poisoning them with toxic, cancer-causing smoke. And as much wood as I go through on one cold night, I couldn't smoke that many cigarettes in a year to amount to the smoke and toxins that get released.

Second-hand smoke is second-hand smoke whether it comes from a cigarette, an exhaust pipe, a chimney or even a candle.

To share with you all regarding 2nd hand smoke around others! (Author unknown)

"Thank you for Not Smoking. Cigarette smoke is the residue of your pleasure. It contaminates the air, pollutes my hair and clothes, not to mention my lungs. This takes place without my consent.

I have a pleasure, also. I like a beer now and then. The residue of my pleasure is urine. Would you be annoyed if I stood on a chair and pissed on your head and your clothes without your consent?"

**Sign posted in window Ken's Magic Shop

One last quote: Thanks, Your Majesty HRH King James 1st of England.

"A custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black, stinking fume thereof nearest resembling the horrible Stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless."

King James I of England, A Counterblaste to Tobacco, 1604

Interesting thread. Has anyone wondered why smoking is so demonized, even more so than drunk driving, obesity, etc? You don't see a warning label with a disgusting picture of a clogged artery at McDonald's on the hamburger, or a corrosive liver on the front of your Smirnoff's. Does anyone stop to wonder why? What if, smoking is not the 'health hazard' it's claimed to be. What if it's a scam with an agenda behind it?

There has been interesting research into the counteractive effects of nicotine on both flouride and aluminum poisioning. So, put two and two together people. Why have cigarrettes been given all these additives, why are millions upon millions spend on anti smoking programs, adverts, etc.? Obesity is by far killing and will kill more americans in the next decade yet, I don't see millions upon millions being spend on reforming that and passing laws regarding it.

Open your eyes, cigarettes have been purposely demonized for a reason. Any studies that suggest anything contrary to that demonization are wiped out. Even though various conditions such as ADHD, and Alzeheimers are being treated with guess what? You got it, nicotine!

The research is there for you to find, I won't bother posting tons of links because the anti smoking group will not bother to actually read them anyhoo. I know it, you know it. But I will say did you know it's common in European studies that people who smoke after heart surgery are proven to have a HIGHER survival rate? Go figure. Do the research and then ask yourself a few simple questions.

Now why would the governments still keep cigarettes legal yet be so "smoking is the devil" in mentality? Instead of wondering if/proclaiming that parents who smoke are unfit, perhaps one should be focusing on the governments that are unfit. The government wants the profits of smoking yet doesn't really want the majority to smoke. Why is that? Hyprocritical is it not. Do you think just maybe they know that smoking counteracts the effects of say chemtrails? Of flourinated water?

I mean it wouldn't be like the government to fudge facts, present disinformation and completely demonize something that could counteract their own agenda would it?

It's the nicotine and it's ability to counteract many conditions that they are trying to hide from the masses. I'm not saying everyone should go light up and puff away in their children's faces, after all, it's not just nicotine you are smoking, however, I do not believe all the hype about how it causes cancer, how second hand smoke causes cancer, etc. I call bull# on that "Modern times Inquistion against smoking" agenda. Not because I smoke, I was also a non-smoker for years. Not because I'm in 'denial' or it's 'wishful thinking'. Because anytime one social ill is so hardly progressively attacked and demonized, while others are given lip service, one has to use their ability to think to question as to why that's the case and research the subject at hand.

But then igonorance is bliss for some. "The surgeon general told me so, so it is FACT". Yup, you go with that.

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"

Dont tread on others.

By your logic then:

Parents that serve their children soda: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that serve their children fast food: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that have children in smog infested cities: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that feed ADHD drugs to their children: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that provide a negative foundation of thought based on biased religious views: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that let obesity go unchecked: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that keep their children glued to the TV: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that fail to illuminate the world to their children: Not fit to be parents.
Parents that etc etc etc ad infinitum...

Raise your child the best you can, and keep them informed. Keep yourselves informed so that you can tackle the tough questions asked by children with the -truth-.

Yes smoking is bad and it causes health problems abound, but to say that a parent is unfit to have their children because they smoke is absurd. If you do anything on the list above you are unfit for children by your own logic...

Taking a look back in history, the Native Americans used tobacco as a gateway to the spiritual realm. Native healers and practitioners used tobacco for social, medical, and religious ceremonies. They called its seeds the "Sacred Seed" and saw its growth directly linked to their respective tribes spirituality.

reply to post by The Sword

I enjoyed one of your threads so I will not throw dirt at your face on this one.

As Mr. Spock from Star Trek once said, "That is wise". This is a subject I am adamant about.

However, when someone is smoking in a public place, what about the people who are not smoking? I'm sure you'd tell them to go somewhere else.

Why not? I am told to go someplace else all the time. I am told I am not welcome in restaurants, stores, theaters, homes, cars... so why should I be singled out? Why can't you go someplace else for once?

Where do the non-smokers go if people are allowed to smoke anywhere they please?

Where do the smokers go when there is nowhere left?

We are talking about me smoking in my home. You already have banned me from enjoying any of the services and luxuries you enjoy. The only place left for me to light up in comfort is my home. No, you cannot control that one as well. YOU go someplace else; this place is mine.

I am sure your response will be something to the effect of "You just can't give it up"... but try to comprehend something: for me, giving up smoking is akin to a diabetic giving up insulin. Yes, I am addicted. I admit it. It really doesn't matter in my case because I will probably have to smoke as long as I live anyway.

I have a gastro-intestinal malady, a genetic deformation that causes severe pain. I have lived with this pain all my life, and expect to until I die. There is nothing the doctors can do; I checked that out many years ago. None of them had ever seen what I have, and most were a little confused as to how I had survived. A few wanted to do some 'case study' on me; I refused. I'm not a freak to be gawked at. So I do what I can. Precious few people even know I have a problem, because I have learned to mask the pain most of the time and hide the times I cannot. There are some things I cannot mask: constant belching, gas, and occasionally my belly will suddenly make me appear pregnant. Occasionally I will bend double from the pain. So I laugh them off or throw attention away from me as just me being rude. It's better than being a sideshow freak.

I do not want any of your pity. I can do more than most. I can build a house, repair a machine, design a circuit, drive a semi, raise a garden, hunt, fish, Everything still works, and I am in perfect health otherwise.

One of the things that allows me to handle the pain is nicotine. I discovered it by accident when I was younger. Don't ask me how it works, as I only know it does. It keeps me calm and focused and makes the pain a little more bearable. I tried all the fancy medicines way back then, and none of them did any good.

Now you want me to stop, to endure excruciating pain, because your precious sense of smell is offended by my existence?

Sorry, the answer is no. My home, my kids, get out of my business.

TheRedneck

reply to post by mysterioustranger


well how quaint the post from king james ...was he speaking from the open sewer next to him where the peasants would have been standing in the same s*&% that was vacated from his A"£ earlier that same day.

I have not read your earlier posts...but i am a non smoker...and i am watching as nanny states remove humans right to free thinking....and please tell me how much secondhand smoke is inflitrating your life...because as i said earlier i used to go to bingo halls filled with smoke when i was a kid...was my mother unfit for taking me there....she raised nine kids with a truckers income by her husband....i am the youngest at 48yrs old....we are still all alive and HEALTHY....absolutely digusting what is being said here.....out of the nine kids 4 smoke five don't....none of us have had cancer and my mom is 89 and still smoking...and she will be smoking the day she is consumed by the flames that turn her to ash and placed over the ground.

your worried about some little bit of stink....i am allergic to perfume...try riding a bus or going to Las Vegas and standing in Line.

should i start to say all perfume should be banned because i have a problem with it....no chance....i am not so self righteous to want to take the pleasure others enjoy from them for my own self righteousness.

part of the problem with society is we are trying to get people to live the way our own belief system is preached to us...well...you know what...maybe cannibalism is ok why should i decide it is not.

when your old and you lose control of your bodily functions should i then decide you smell bad and therefore you should be banned form invading my public space......look up the word public ......you might be interested to know it is not just YOUR public space.

let me admit that I am the child of smokers, and that I myself smoked for over 26 years, including the years when my daughter was growing up.

And all those years when you were smoking you also thought that you are an unfit parent and they should take your daughter from you? Or it's only now, when you've "seen the light"?

I no longer feel the need to defend my addiction

But you feel the need to attack the smokers instead. Let's make order, now that yourself are out of the loop. Indeed, there's no worse thing than a reformed smoker.

And that is what smoking is, an addiction

You are right. It is an addiction. It's bad for health, it's stinking, it's a curse for the smoker itself and for those close to him. But why do you suppose that smokers don't know that? Why you assume that smokers don't WANT to quit? Only because you did it, after 26 years though, it means that everyone can do it but they don't want to?

Considering the myriad of problems the nicotine addiction inflicts upon the children of those addicted to this legal drug, it most certainly SHOULD be considered grounds for finding such parents as unfit to raise children...

How simple it is to say that, isn't it, now that you are out of the picture? Everything that a parent mean, do and sacrifice for his kids nullified because the son of b##ch don't want to quit smoking. Much better for the kids in a welfare system. Let's teach those bastards a lesson. And all this coming from somebody who DID raise her kid as a smoker? This hypocrisy is unbelievable.
But if it comes to that, would you at least be so kind to give everyone 26 years to try quitting, and only after that take their children away?

I would say that there are much worse things people do to their kids. Why not concentrate your righteousness on that, and leave the smokers alone, as long as they don't smoke around you or around your kids?

I've seen this kind of hypocrisy in former smokers a lot, and it's quite difficult to put up with it. So I'm thinking, if this is what I'll become after I'll quit, I think I prefer to keep smoking.

Wow, I havent read every page but the ones I have read are pretty heated. Im going to pose a question here but as I said, I havent read every page, so if it has been asked and answered, please accept my apologies in advance.

I smoke. I have a pre-teen child. I do not smoke around my child nor do I smoke in my house. I typically go to my garage and tinker around and smoke there. I do smoke in my car but only if I am by myself. I typically go out of my way to make sure I dont cause others discomfort because of my habit. Does this make me an unfit parent?

reply to post by TheRedneck


Cheers mate your welcome to come smoke at mine anytime....I am a non smoker and i would back you up 10,000% people are being made to feel guilty about everything they do now it seems....soon i am going to feel guilty for breathing because i ate garlic today.....(huge exhale).

omg i farted too....damn the stench is going to be killer....as i leave the lift.

it is disgusting to say parents are unfit if they smoke..... Saying self righteous egotistical crud like that is what should be banned it is offensive and hateful.....it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and it stinks to high heaven....take your perfect life and stuff it where the sun don't shine......It is like people are being made to feel guilty if they are overweight.....man how incredible that is....it is being heavy that used to get people through harsh winters and the fat would assist in getting through the winter.

take all this pollitical correctness and and stifle it and maybe people could concentrate on learning how to raise their children with love and kindness instead of raising them in fear and guilt...maybe they would be allowed to be children again....how nice that would be....try living in spain....it is wonderful...sitting out with people at night...the kids out playing and the parents sitting and smoking and enjoying a drink as the kids run around LAUGHING and enjoying themselves.
these are not unfit parents....unfit parents are ones who hide the facts of life from their kids and raise them in little protective bubbles shielding them from others making them afraid of the great outdoors and denying them the pleasures of childhood because of their own fear of the unknown.....kids need to learn through exploration....it fills their minds with knowledge understanding and compassion.....the greatness of childhood and the wonders of life.

Originally posted by DerbyCityLights
Wow, I havent read every page but the ones I have read are pretty heated. Im going to pose a question here but as I said, I havent read every page, so if it has been asked and answered, please accept my apologies in advance.

I smoke. I have a pre-teen child. I do not smoke around my child nor do I smoke in my house. I typically go to my garage and tinker around and smoke there. I do smoke in my car but only if I am by myself. I typically go out of my way to make sure I dont cause others discomfort because of my habit. Does this make me an unfit parent?

It sure doesn't.

I am a smoker, most social and if I want to smoke I always ask if others mind and if they do I don't.

I know many people who smoke and have kids the majority of them don't even smoke around their kids.

My mom smoked while I was growing up and I turned out just fine.


PS I like your signature

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


as a statistician, i can assure you that figure don't lie, but liars can figure. CDC stats are next to worthless, as they have shown with the whole H1N1 farce.

If smoking is the worst thing that a parent is doing to their kids, I would think that they are a successful parent.