Parents who smoke should be found unfit to be parents...

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


Since when has this site become a place to stand up on a podium and preach? Go to the American Cancer Society. I really don't think this is a topic to be on ATS. ( Abbr. for ABOVE TOP SECRET). Everyone knows smoking is bad for you. NOT A SECRET. If people want to smoke, so be it. Not necessarily in a confined room with others, especially children. No offense to anyone on here, except the OP. Thanks.

Oh, by the way....."found unfit to be parents"!!.....Really??

reply to post by The Sword


Not true at all!

You are generalizing and judging an entire group of people that really aren't that "stupid". Most know the consequences...they just happen to know that they will simply die anyway. Right or wrong....you cant really argue with w/ science.

reply to post by The Sword


You accuse smokers of a victim mentality before you just complained about being a victim of a smoker? Smokers don't go around blowing smoke in people's faces. If that is how you see it, then you are certainly playing the victim. The only ones losing any individual rights are smokers. They've been confined to an area, then lost that area and had to go outside, not they might not even be able to go outside. Businesses can't even be a smoking establishment if they wanted to be unless they sell alcohol if the wanted to. This is because non-smokers got it in their mind that they should be able to be the ones who get to go wherever they want and smokers should be limited to the areas they deem appropriate. Smokers gave and gave. You have to expect there is a point at which they would be unwilling to give up more.

Aside from all this, I get the impression you judge people based on whether or not they smoke. If that is the case, then I have a feeling you may have missed out on a lot of good friendships and allies.

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I think parents who are fat also make unfit parents because it is also unhealthy

reply to post by hawaii50th


I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, hence the "rolling eyes" emoticon.

Dear Nunya13, I'm really glad that you were able to recover and get back on a good path. Some don't and I admire your strength. You understood where I was going, thank you.

TheSword, I'm really new so I'm not sure what being ratted out to the moderators means. It doesn't sound too drastic though.

You raise a good point about rights. In any society where there is more than one person there will be conflicting rights. You're bringing up right to smoke versus right to not have smoke blown in your face. Laws are established to try to keep serious conflicts to a minimum, but there are things individuals can do to reduce those conflicts. Smokers should be concerned to not offend you, and you should be concerned to not step on their toes, so to speak. This can be worked out.

reply to post by thektotheg


thektotheg....I starred you, but if I could, I would star your post twenty more times. Damn right.

I am a smoker with a child. I respect others right and do not smoke around them or in public places as required by law. I did this before the laws were in force. It is just polite. My daughter does not smoke, is a straight A student, doesn't do drugs, Has not got envolved in sexual intercourse (yet) and is in good health. I don't believe smoking or not smoking causes you to be a bad parent. I believe it is your actions as a parent that causes you to be a bad parent.

Smoking may be bad for everyone, but it does not directly effect my parenting skills. To say that someone is not fit to be a parent because of there smoking habit is , well, quite frankly, absurd. I And I don't really understand the logic regarding that statement. When I smoke, my mental state doesn't change, I do not go into an altered state or lose my ability to think coherently. My smoking has not effected my childs health as I take her for annual checkups and the docters state she is fine.

So, if the childs health fine, schooling is fine, mental ability is fine, how am I a bad parent? I'm not.

reply to post by The Sword


Have you ever been taken away from your parents and family?

Were u ever forced to live with another family aside from your own?

These idiots with their idea that government has to tell people how they should live, these are the traitors that are ruining the land. These are the polluters, the ones that cause too much CO2 and methane to escape into the atmosphere, blowing wind and making it stink in here. Don't light any matches it'll start the place on fire, so no body smoke.

it's official ATS has become communist or at least with a socialist agenda.

I am ashamed of the 30 people who flagged this thread as good.

What next declare fat people unfit too?

The fact is people need to learn that rule in life...
It's the smoker's life..the fat person's life to eat himself to death..even the anorexic woman to vomit herself to death.
and the drunk to drink himself to death.

When people stop worrying what other people do in there own home's and car's life will be a lot better.

Originally posted by QuantumDisciple

Originally posted by thektotheg
Here's an idea: you worry about you. I'll worry about me.

edit on 21-2-2011 by thektotheg because: error

While this concept is quite novel the truth is You and every citizen of the US needs a guiding hand. What you need is a responcible, well-guided, and efficient Govenment to put you on the right path. It is quite clear, from the statistics of the US Education system that people are far too unintelligent to make these kinds of decisions for themselves. You must understand that this is the reason the Government was formed.

Now I know you think you enjoy that cigarette of yours and you seem to find refuge in smoking them but this is just misplaced devotion. Once it is stripped from you pehaps you will find joy and refuge in your Government...were it belongs.

I'm pretty new here and don't know all the regulars, but this post alone will make me ignore every other post you ever make. In fact I would read the OPs posts now before I read yours.

Originally posted by FPB214
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

I agree with you, because im 19 and have lived with my mother smoking for years. It's gotten to the point where I bi*** at her to not do it in the house. I mean, how hard is it to go outside? Although she does go outside somewhat, she still smokes in the house quite a bit. Her excuse, like last week, was "My parents smoked in the house the whole time I was growing up, and look were still here." My grandparents are pretty healthy, and my mom is 47. She's been smoking since she was younger than me.

When I was in 10th-11th grade that's when I smoked the most, even then though I wasn't a constant smoker. Usually B&M's and a few cigarettes. I've since stopped doing it, and really only do it every so often, like last night I had half of a Skydancer. At least they are 100% natural though. That was probably the first time in weeks though.

Either way, I just hate it now. Not so much the smoking, just the smoke filling up the place I live in. The stench is the worst when first lit. I will say this though, my bedroom window has literally been contantly open for over a year. Its open now, and will be open for the rest of the year. It may be a waste of electricity, but i'd rather get clean fresh air, and a way for the smoke to filter out then have it contained in one area. Thing that sucks, is I live in Florida, and during the summer its so humid and nasty out, but I just ignore it.

*snip* I rarely smoke in my house, and enjoy going outdoors much better, at least I get fresh air and (at night) get to look at the stars. I believe its not good for you, but I think between my fan running and windows open that might make it a little better. I hope sometimes though that nothing happens to me later in life because of this, but at the same time everyone will die oneday from something and today we probably interact with things that can give you cancer everyday.

Mod Note: Removed reference to recreational drug use.

edit on 2/21/2011 by maria_stardust because: (no reason given)

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Your in your mom's house at age 19 crying about what she does in her own house...
Enough said...
She should have beat you as a kid to teach you respect.
end of story lol

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by MagesticEsoteric

 

That's not the point.

Smokers seem to have the victim mentality going full bore. You make any attempt to question their lifestyle and they go on and on about "rights" while blowing smoke in your face.

The Sword,
You must be a genius! You must have an IQ of 160. All we have to do now is get your in depth knowledge of the human psyche working for the Goverment. What if we could change these tortured souls? What if we could harness this misplaced devotion to a "lifestyle" and channel it, make it useful!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by QuantumDisciple

Originally posted by thektotheg
Here's an idea: you worry about you. I'll worry about me.

edit on 21-2-2011 by thektotheg because: error

While this concept is quite novel the truth is You and every citizen of the US needs a guiding hand. What you need is a responcible, well-guided, and efficient Govenment to put you on the right path. It is quite clear, from the statistics of the US Education system that people are far too unintelligent to make these kinds of decisions for themselves. You must understand that this is the reason the Government was formed.

Now I know you think you enjoy that cigarette of yours and you seem to find refuge in smoking them but this is just misplaced devotion. Once it is stripped from you pehaps you will find joy and refuge in your Government...were it belongs.

I'm pretty new here and don't know all the regulars, but this post alone will make me ignore every other post you ever make. In fact I would read the OPs posts now before I read yours.

edit on 21-2-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

My true thoughts of the OPs idea are on the bottom of page 22. If you don't see the sarcasm in what I am writing then please do continue to ignore anything I ever write.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts

You are a fascist Nazi control freak scumbag. Why don't you move to another country.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


Just more 'Nanny State' non-sense.
I could have read all those reasons why it is so bad, but I don't have too, cause there are many parents who don't smoke and subject their children to far worse.
Personally, I think people who let the TV baby sit their kids are probably more out of line than the smokers.
BUT, I personally don't feel like telling people they can't be parents.
Besides, our kids walk outside and breath in all the Carbon Monoxide. Besides I'm sure there are many parents who bash smokers and their parenting skills... yet they probably still treat their kids to happy meals like its any better than second smoke. Mind your own business, I know many people whose parents smoke, and they don't as well as the reverse. I could march into anyones home and find reasons why they shouldn't be parents. But then again, I'm not a nazi.

I have one thing to say to the title of this thread....

Governments that profit from the manufacturing of the highly addictive product that is the leading cause of death in the US are not fit to govern - just sayin.

Originally posted by hawaii50th
These idiots with their idea that government has to tell people how they should live, these are the traitors that are ruining the land. These are the polluters, the ones that cause too much CO2 and methane to escape into the atmosphere, blowing wind and making it stink in here. Don't light any matches it'll start the place on fire, so no body smoke.

I think some of these people are in the UK, hence are more used to this Socialist nannystate CCTV nonsense. I read a piece that discussed the CCTV cams the Brits have set up in parks which actually laugh at people to humiliate them when they throw trash. The US lags behind a bit with all this surveillance, but unfortunately still following the footsteps. I hope we can reverse the trend.