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posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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What's More Important, Our Kids or Our Habit? Obvious it's the Kids, but as You WELL KNOW, Nicotine Addiction is VERY HARD To Break!!!!!! And NO I am Not Ramming this Down Your Throat as You Did In Your OP, I realize all the implications of Smoking, but as You a Recovering Addict, should be a little Warmer in your Presentations of Facts. Later, Syx.




posted on Mar, 15 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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Oh great, the 'ol "we haz to protect the childrenz" so lets rip them away from their parents" line of thinking. Yeah, apparently the OP really thought this one out before he posted. And yeah, the whole cigarette smokers are more likely to use drugs, where's your proof? Huh? Because last time I check the vast majority of smokers don't use drugs. Besides, say a few drug users do smoke, you can't say correlation implies causation. Don't you know the whole "gateway" theory has been totally debunked. Another thing you apparently haven't thought about is what it's like to grow up in foster care/government care. Yeah, read up on the issue then try and post something a little more thought out and well reasoned, because this just doesn't make any logical sense. Do you know how many kids are abused and traumatized when they are put into institutional care? No I guess you didn't, but heck, so long as we get 'em away from them smokers I guess it doesn't matter right?! Not to mention the fact that you are advocating added government bureaucracy, the expansion of government into people's personal and family lives, telling them how to raise kids, etc. etc. Again, not smart.

Like another person said, leave the smokers alone. I personally don't smoke, but my dad does, he's got a PhD and is not a stupid person. He has his reasons for smoking. And personally I don't want you or any government busybody telling me or my family what they can and can't do, or can and can't put into our own bodies. In case you haven't noticed (I live in NYC) and after Bloomberg went after smoking (banning it from outside, parks, sidewalks, etc...basically the only place you are safe to smoke is your own home)...so next trying to tell us what we can and can't eat. He wants to put a tax on anything with high fructose corn syrup (that's like practically everything!) and ban certain fatty foods from restaurants (what else is next, we won't be allowed to buy whole milk, we'll be forced to buy skim?). So needless to say this is a very slippery slope you are advocating...not only are you advocating the mass traumatization of children by institutionalizing them, but you are also advocating for government policy that tells us what to eat, drink, smoke and otherwise can and can't put into our bodies, next it will be banning certain sports or activity because you might get an injury.

Sorry but this is the least well thought out post I have read all day.

By the way: it's a little sad to see all the younger people on here buying the drug war propaganda (I am also of younger generation, but I don't just believe everything the government tells me is "bad", and even if it may be "bad" doesn't mean we need to rush to start banning everything)...which is all the demonization of cigarettes and smokers are...good 'ol fashioned drug war propaganda...wait till they start throwing smokers in jail in this country, then we'll have a real mess on our hands, failed drug war times a million...ever heard the phrase "the cure is worse than the disease"??
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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You shouldn't smoke around your kids, obviously, don't smoke while pregnant or around a pregnant woman, but to see smokers as unfit parents, I find that going a little too far, I smoke myself, but when there are kids near me I always make sure they don't inhale anything. So I often just move away from them while I smoke. Smokers can still be loving parents, and the kids can still grow up to be normal and healthy.
I think kids have a lot more trouble from parents who drink a lot. Too bad you can't always know if they do.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by False_Prophet
You shouldn't smoke around your kids, obviously, don't smoke while pregnant or around a pregnant woman, but to see smokers as unfit parents, I find that going a little too far, I smoke myself, but when there are kids near me I always make sure they don't inhale anything. So I often just move away from them while I smoke. Smokers can still be loving parents, and the kids can still grow up to be normal and healthy.
I think kids have a lot more trouble from parents who drink a lot. Too bad you can't always know if they do.


One problem.. Smoke tends to "latch" onto everything it comes in contact with. I dont know the specifics, but it seems like the substance that comes out of the cig is just as dangerous, especially if it tends to stick around.

I seem to sneeze alot when I'm around smoking areas, heavy smokers, or smoke in general, yet I dont sneeze when I light one up. Odd.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts

Originally posted by MysticPearl
I'm calling you out OP! Prove to all of us how healthy you are, and how much you exercise. Or are you a lazy, overweight #, who sits on his butt all day finding someone else to criticize?


I never said I was healthy. My lungs are shot between the second hand smoke I inhaled as a kid from my two pack a day parent, plus an older sister with a similar habit, and the 26 years of smoking I did myself. Although my sense of smell and taste have improved, I am still very susceptible to nasal, lung and brochial infections. I cannot remember a time before the age of ten when I did not have some type of respiratory infection, due to the damage being done to my lungs by the smoke filled environment I was in.


I use to get upset with Neurotic Globalist Minions who have bought into the long list of socialist BS that lead them to believe they have a right to say Boo about what other people do but, not anymore because such neurotics get done in by any number of elements in the world and as the world gets harder and less and less sterilized, the best and strongest always rise to the top, whatever their life choices.
edit on 18-3-2011 by MajorKarma because: Typos/expanded comment



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:14 PM
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Well, then you shouldn't smoke inside the house, or only in one room your kids aren't allowed to enter. I smoke in my room all the time, my mom and my sister have asthma, it doesn't bother them, so I guess it wouldn't be bad for kids either.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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If parents who smoke are unfit under this OP's thoughts, then anyone who can not afford to support their own children should be found more unfit? Correct? All teenagers who have children should fall into this category?

Pick any subject, it can most likely be disputed. I'm a hunter and fisherman. Does that give PETA or anyone to protest me or any one in my category for doing so? You will not hear anyone hunter/fisherman demanding and lobbying to make everyone do hunt or fish.
Pick a value category..promiscuous sex? Do children benefit from that? Single parents, diseases, unstable upbringing, morality issues.
I do not need anyone trying to force their values onto me, right or wrong, as long as they are legal.
Live and let live.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by False_Prophet
reply to post by theRhenn
 


Well, then you shouldn't smoke inside the house, or only in one room your kids aren't allowed to enter. I smoke in my room all the time, my mom and my sister have asthma, it doesn't bother them, so I guess it wouldn't be bad for kids either.



I agree. More less for all the ill effects that come with it. Wether you can give someone cancer from it or not is beyond me. I have a hard time believing that. I think it's nothing more than an irritant/allergen. Some say otherwise, some say just that. Hard to know when everyone has conflicting info on the matter. It's probably just beurocracy BS. Ever noticed how that once the big push for self extinguishing cigs came to be, it takes more flicks of your bic to keep the damned thing lit? It makes me want to smoke more. It's a bloody conspiracy!!!!! lol Buy stock in lighter's and fluid!

Hate to say it brother, but if your mom and sis has asthma, you probably shouldnt smoke at all so long as you're making contact with them, much less anywhere near the house, and your room especially. That's some bad ju ju when ya pair up asthma and cig smoke/smell.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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Well, my room is in the attic, there is only one room and it's mine, nobody but me ever comes there (or is allowed to come up here
) , so It is not such a big deal, I always keep the windows open, no matter how cold it gets here, door is always closed, no smoke gets out of here



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:51 AM
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I'd say that this all depends on the many variables. First off, you're less likely to be exposed to second-hand smoke if you smoke OUTSIDE and at NIGHT (like my mother and father did when I was a child). Secondly, the child's behavior does not depend on whether or not their parents smoke. My sister and I grew up just fine with two smoking parents. Neither of us has ever even had a lunch detention growing up in school. Also, (even though my parents are smokers) I have never tried smoking, and don't intend to. I'm not saying this is the same for ALL children, I would just like to put out there that it doesn't always matter whether or not your parents smoked.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:02 AM
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I would go as far as saying that people who smoke are bad parents. My mum and dad both smoked but i do not and neither do my brothers and sister.

I couldn't have had a better childhood either so i will have to disagree with the article.

It is inconsiderate if a parent smokes near their child but thats all in my book.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
First of all, let me admit that I am the child of smokers, and that I myself smoked for over 26 years, including the years when my daughter was growing up. I have since quit, and this has changed my perspective on the issue, as I no longer feel the need to defend my addiction.

[...snip]

This is not even considering the financial impact that such an addiction has, and once your children have grown up, they then get the increased chance of having to take care of an ailing parent who has emphysema, heart problems or cancer. Considering the myriad of problems the nicotine addiction inflicts upon the children of those addicted to this legal drug, it most certainly SHOULD be considered grounds for finding such parents as unfit to raise children...


Yup, I agree.

Your daughter should have been taken away from you when she was born because you were unfit to raise children.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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Slowly stripping us from our rights, ones by ones,slowly, but surely....



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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I smoke. I have a two year old son. Never have I ever smoked around him, in the car with him, anywhere near him actually. I try my hardest to keep my son away from any kind of danger. Maybe I should close all my windows and lock all my doors and never allow him to leave house in fear of, well, anything. Give me a break. I would ask anyone to try to take my son away from me when I light up or buy a pack of smokes. Its my right to, just like its my right to bear arms.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Hears the next headline for a post:

"Gun owners should be seen as unfit parents."

Please friend. Let people live their lives.



posted on Jun, 9 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Oh gawd, I thought this thread died months ago.

Smoking parents or being bounced around in foster care where they have a 75% chance of being molested at least once while in the foster care system hmmm.

Sorry, but I think the trauma of being ripped away from loving parents and the risk of abuse would be far more damaging than second hand smoke.
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posted on Jun, 10 2011 @ 01:22 AM
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Oh gawd, I thought this thread dies months ago.


well these threads stir the emotions and certain people like to play the moral high ground card, "i do not smoke therefore i am better than you"

i agree with you, they should try getting out to their local or nearest 'rough' estate or ghetto, they will see unfit parents then, wether they smoke or not does not even come into it.

some of the stories i have heard from parent to parent which my partner has then told me about, one parent told their kid they could stay out to what time they wanted because they were going to the pub, i have seen small kids left in the road while their parent are talking and the parent has not noticed their kid has walk off and is stood there.

in another area where i use to live, i could hear a kid crying but thought nothing of it, i opened the door later to put the rubbish out, and there was a kid on the street maybe 1 and half to 2 years old with nobody whatsoever in sight. so i told my partner to phone the police(i imagined a parent somewhere going frantic), we stayed with the kid waiting for the police, we then noticed somebody on the street, so i ran over to them and asked if they recongised the kid, they did'nt but did know somebody on the street who has kids, so they went off to knock the door, 5 minutes later the mother comes down the street, says the kid must of got out the backdoor and takes it and leaves. yet the kid must of been there around 2 hours from when i heard it crying untill i put the rubbish out.

those are unfit parents not somebody who simply smokes away from their kids.





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