To all the people who want to ban guns.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


My thoughts exactly. I've seen her passed threads, and was beginning to conclude what side of the fence she was on? Interesting enough, she does, at first glance, embrace the 2nd.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Oh no-no. Being the right of keeping guns on the historical base of America's foundation, so deeply rooted, it wouldnt be wise to ban them away today. That's what I intended to say.

In Europe it's been centuries since the use of fire-arms got restricted under state regulations. I could have one today if I wanted to (by administration license and several tests) but the fact is that most Europeans have not the need to carry a gun or have one at home. Guns have been somehow excluded from our "everydayness".

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Any numbers on how many firearms involved in crimes in Canada have been illegally smuggled in from the US?

I would refer you to the Queen's Cowboys themselves:

The United States is the primary source for smuggled firearms or firearms parts into Canada — due in part to its close proximity, differences in gun control legislation, and a large firearms manufacturing base. According to the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), in 2006, 96 per cent of all firearms seized originated in or transited through the United States. The majority of these seizures occurred at land border ports of entry, and were from private and/or commercial vehicles of legitimate U.S. travelers, especially hunters and truckers, who failed to declare these firearms. In addition, in 2006 there were 32 firearms seized between ports of entry, as compared to 12 in 2005. CBSA also reported a small quantity of guns being smuggled into Canada from various other countries, including Belgium, Switzerland, Georgia and China and Hong Kong. www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca...

Reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

32? All seized at the border? Sounds like the problem isn't statistically significant and that border security is actually working.

No numbers on arms confiscated in crimes? Just confiscated at the border?


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reply to post by freshwreckage


Maybe they lived within a certain type of people, not so rich, but thats stupid, if you are poor, you must live in a stressful environment, just because everyone has the right to own a gun and don't have that much to lose?

Thats not good. So you say theres nothing wrong to have guns as long as it it is the middle or high class?

What kind of an argument is that? The poor might kill each other, nothing wrong with that?

I live in Texas and 3 people out of the more than 100 in my monkeysphere are gun owners. We aren't all gun totin' Yosemite Sam's here you know. Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that. But to say "most or all of Texan's are gun owners" is a ridiculous blanket statement. State statistics show that 147,819 Texans have permits allowing them to carry concealed weapons.(texaslesstraveled.com...) That's out of over 24 million citizens in the state. (based on the 09 stats www.google.com...)

Obviously there are more people that don't have the CHL and still have firearms or own rifles/shotguns. But even if you triple the amount of licensed gun owners to account for the unlicensed the count of gun owners in Texas is less than 2 percent of the population.

The stat that gets most people thinking everyone here is a gun owner is the amount of firearms owned in the state. It is estimated that around 51 million guns are in Texas. That's more than twice the amount of people here in 2009! The thing is, we shouldn't average out the gun ownership per person. The 3 people mentioned in my monkeysphere (www.cracked.com...) each own more than 5 guns. I think to these people guns are like chips.

But anyways, enough talkin' on dis heer internets. I got fields to plow and horses to break.

::rides off in the sunset::

Good morning ATSers. I'm reading this thread and shaking my head. I am very very pro gun. I hunt, trap and fish. Often. Would I use a firearm to defend my family? Yep, you betcha. I have owned guns for 35 years, since I was a child. I have experienced war. I have shoveled a close friends coagulated blood from under his bed where his girlfriends ex husband shot him 5x in the chest as he was sleeping after which the shooter used the last round in his revolver to separate his own brain from his body. The whacko who killed my friend carried a badge in his wallet: he was a cop. That sort of blows the argument about police and military only posessing guns, doesn't it. I don't care about the gun laws in YOUR country, I'm only concerned about the gun laws in mine, which is the US. I choose to exercise my 2nd Amendment right. I am the leader of my family, I'm the dominant male. It's my job to protect my family from harm. I will use any object or implement I can get my hands on to do this. I don't give a damn what Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Lady Gaga, Rhianna, Tony Blair or anyone else thinks about my desire to do this. Some drunk ass kicked my door in about 10 years ago. My 3 year old daughters room was at the top of the stairs, which means I had to get in between HER and the people who had kicked the wrong door of the wrong house in. I did this with a .45 in my hand. That means I don't whimper like a girl and hide in a closet while my wife is being raped or someone is harming my kids or stealing my property while I'm on the phone with a 911 operator. People take no responsibility for their well being until a situation evolves from bad to horrible. Violent behavior cannot be bred out of an advanced group of primates with opposing thumbs in a few hundred years, who have the ability to use complex instruments to destroy each other. My government commits unspeakable acts daily in numerous places around the world on a 24/7 basis. Our soldiers "buy" south Korean wives, they mistakenly kill Iraqi and Afghani civilians, we have started conflicts that never needed to happen over situations that were probably orchestrate, and it just goes on and on. Some of the governments of ATS members, like folks who live in the UK, Australia and Canada pay taxes as well, and thus condone and financially support the actions of US allies in their endeavors around the globe. No ex special forces person would come on this site running their # about how they'd deprive another American of any constitutional right, I do know that. You guys took the same oath as me. There are bigger fish to fry in our societies than the issue of gun control. How many drones in Afghanistand or Iraq hit the wrong target? We've killed at least 60k civilians in Iraq in the past 9.5 years, by far more than have been killed in the US with firearms, yet no one pisses and moans about this. You Brits can get get off your high horses of righteousness, your country has greased some of those civvies as well. The pounds you pay for taxes have financed this. I lurked on this site for a long long time before joining in. I've read things that have made me wonder when it became socially acceptable for psychiatric units to provide internet access to it's patients, or do they sneak to the nurses station when no ones watching to hop on ATS. Some of the more recent posts make me have those wonders. Have a glorious day everyone.

Originally posted by fianna
reply to post by GeneralAwesome

 

Your a slave without a gun, I disagree. This is how it is in many european countries including ireland, and we are far from slaves.

Being a Mason, you reiterate this BS and are part of the problem, I would say do away with the whole of the "Secret Societies" and all the memebers and the world would be a better place. I am sorry you are a mason or use the masonic avatar. So sad

A man with a gun is a Citizen, a man without a gun is a subject/slave. Simple.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


Again, the laws themselves are not very loose. They are just enforced very loosely.

What good is legislation if it is selectively and scarcely implemented?

The major sources of illicit firearms in Canada are smuggled firearms and domestic theft.

The source for this is a Canadian government report. That report has a ton of information specifically related to illegal firearms in Canada. It identifies the US as the major country smuggled from.

Smuggled firearms that cross the land border from the United States are a significant source of illegal firearms due in part to its geographic proximity and less restrictive gun control regulations.

link

imagine what america would be like today. IF FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, everyone who wanted a drivers license. had to have a firearms license, prove that they are maintaning a firearm, and qualify annually for competency!!!!!

JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT THE USA WOULD BE LIKE.

reply to post by mountain40


I do defend my family to, but i don't need guns. I do it with intelligent ways, not the classic, gun in hand, simple way. Imagine that man that entered your house by accident was just a drunk guy, not knowing what he was doing. Bang, you shot him, an irrational act based on fear. Now what? Guns are not necessary. When people have guns, people get killed, when people don't have guns, they talk out the situations or just punch each other but no one gets killed!

But gun owners live scared so they need guns! Dont be scared, live with confidence. Your dollar bill says "In God We Trust". So don't be scared, trust, bad situations come and go, just like the good ones. You will live much better.

Americans as a whole are a paranoid bunch who believe that everyone is out to get them take all their stuff.

Except it isn't funny because that is exactly what America is a doing to the rest of the world.

Bang, bang!!

reply to post by Manula

Imagine that man that entered your house by accident was just a drunk guy, not knowing what he was doing.

I have been drunk and come home many times, I have never kicked in my own door even when "the key did not work" So, door kicked in = shot to chest. I fail to see the issue.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

The majority of these seizures occurred at land border ports of entry, and were from private and/or commercial vehicles of legitimate U.S. travelers, especially hunters and truckers, who failed to declare these firearms. In addition, in 2006 there were 32 firearms seized between ports of entry, as compared to 12 in 2005

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That's it for a yr of gun seizures and Canda's worried about guns coming in? On top of it sounds like most were law abiding (in the US anyway) normal citizens. That almost mute. I bet Mexico averages about that many in a day. I may look that up.

reply to post by sonofliberty1776


Ok, no problem, do you know what karma is? Shoot in other persons chest go to your karma bag, i hope you think twice before doing harm to others, because we are all one, what you do to others you do it to yourself, and karma law guarantees that this is true!

Originally posted by Rocky Black
Everytime someone gets shot the anti gun people and anti constitution people come out spewing all this crap about take away their guns and this will come to an end.

Well people I hate to break it to you but you are all wrong.

Here is your proof.

Look at NY gun crime. Oh wait but it is against the law to bring a gun into NY right. Well people maybe you can tell me why their gun crime rate and murder by gun rates are so high.

Now look at Massachuttes which has the most toughest gun laws in the state. Every single day there is a shooting in boston and mattapan or cambridge. Why you might ask? Because if you get arrested for a gun violation instead of a manidtory year in jail. If you get caught with one without a liscense you get a slap on the peeper and that is it. Suspended sentence time served probation.

Now lets look at the state of Texas.
All of its citizens or most of them are armed. It has one of the lowest crime rates and lowest gun related murders.

Why. Thats right. No answer

Taking away guns is not the answer people.

Look at any country where it is illegal to own or posses a pistol or shot gun. Find one and look up gun related murders. Hey why are they high gee I wonder how can that be.

Thats right taking away guns is the agenda of the socialists.To make us into sheeple so we cannot defend ourselves.

Oh you dont like that.

Here drink this coolaid it will make you feel all better.

Lets take a look at what the Constitution says about arms and the right to own them.

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Lets also look at .....

citizenship ...
It is the citizens duty to:
1. Vote

2. Serve on a jury. The Framers knew from experience, that those in power would make bad laws and slowly limit the peoples right and turn a country into a police state where the people have no rights. By serving on a jury, even though the judge legally only has to tell you that you must judge the facts of the case only and accept the law, it is the right of the people to nullify a bad law by a vote of not guilty. This was to keep the government in check from becoming to powerful and create a law to suit them and get what they want.

3. Own a gun. The framers also knew that a government would not interfere with the people if they knew the people were armed to proctect their liberties. It is a RIGHT to bear arms. Notice how the government is requiring permits. A permit turns a right into a privelege. It is your right to protect your life, liberty, and property with arms.

4. It is the duty of the citizens to keep the government in check. Don't trade freedom for governmental security. The best protectors of this country is from the citizens themselves.

5. It's the duty of the citizens to educate themselves. Know what form of government this country is, my guess is that 80% of the people don't. While the government is spreading democracy, which is a lie. The true form of government in the USA is a republic.
Source(s):
Read the Constitution, it's not an obsolete document.

My opinion .......
It our responsibility to keep government in line, We do not do this. We have become complacent. Especially the rich. They fear being poor, and since they can buy their way through anything, they want more control over the common citizen.

If you take guns away, the only people who will have them are criminals and cops. I am not sure what scares me worse. Criminals 'usually' have an agenda, where a cop will turn on his fellow citizen at any given time in the name of the law, a law which he individually interprets on his own without seeking counsel from his command structure while performing his duties ......

reply to post by Rocky Black


Great job presenting the facts! Keep up the good work!

Originally posted by Manula
If you bump into someone having a bad day you might get killed... yada yada

you don't fight the government with home guns, thats a fantasy!
You must have the military with you, if you want to take down the government.
Thats how the Portuguese revolution occurred in April 25th, 1974.

ok bout bumping into someone and them going Yosimite sam on you.... an animal with such instincts would be put down quickly by Law Enforcement or even their own people as people like this are unwelcomed in any society or clique.

And as for Portugal having a revolution, was it only the military? or was there regular civilians mixed in with this group?
If there were only military, then that my friend is a coupe and not a revolution.
If there was civilians in this group then at one point your civilians had guns. Looks like something was lost there.
And just what is a "Home gun"? If i have a 1 shot pistol, at least 1 person is going to die if they attempt to take my rights away from me, and a bigger question is, who will be the person to volunteer to take the first round?

Originally posted by Stumpjumper
You can take my guns, when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

Excellent saying but i have embellished it a bit, "You can take my EMPTY gun, when you can pry it from my cold dead hands.

Originally posted by DaGremlin
I live in Texas and 3 people out of the more than 100 yada yada yada

Those sure are some real purrdy stats there, big prollem tho.
There are people in the US and other countries that inherit or buy black market guns or even manufacture them.
None of these methods of accumulation need to be reported for statistical analysis.
Once again stats are for fools or baseball games.

On another note, seriously folks.... how many people on this board have seen the G 10,20...insert # meetings with their military and or police presence and the provocateurs??
If you haven't then you have no business on this discussion or board.
Now, how many of you just love to see that 1 poor fool get pulled in behind the police line and get beaten?
If any of you answered "I do"!!! then please disregard as you have bigger issues to face down internally.
But if these kinds of things upset you where a peaceful protest gets blown out of proportion and people get hurt just for wanting to state their upset over issues, .... Guns are what keeps the military and police in check, otherwise the police might just load people into railway cars instead of jail cells. stranger things have happened. As they know that after all is said and done "We the people" are the final lawmakers.
A gun no matter how big or small is only a safety net against tyranny.
In any case, if you like them not, don't own one.
But, i was born a free man and i have rights.
My guns happen to be one of those rights.
My owning one does not infringe upon your rights as you will never be shot by one of my guns as long as you don't try to infringe upon my rights.
And if that still isn't enough, go to a country where there are no guns. I'll wait while you find it.
Hope ya feel better now.

reply to post by wayno


DUDE!!! you are on a conspiracy theory website, isn't that a bit like the kettle calling the pot black??
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