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To all the people who want to ban guns.

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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck


You can crow about your guns in America...but compare the murder rates for Toronto and Detroit...about 10 times higher per capita in Detroit.



That is unfair. Look at Detroit's demographic then re-evaluate. Guns are not the problem in Detroit its the people there.




posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:24 AM
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I just wanted to mention,
that Liberal means freedom and generosity.
www.etymonline.com...


late 14c., from O.Fr. liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous," from L. liberalis "noble, generous," lit. "pertaining to a free man," from liber "free,"


however in modern-times, it's somehow been recast,
as slavery (socialism) and scarcity (taxation).

A true liberal would be handing out land-grants to all citizens,
allowing people to make and have our own currencies, guns and whatever,
and otherwise supporting freedom and generosity.
edit on 12/1/11 by lowki because: guns and whatever



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Yeah, people really don't understand what they talk about when it comes to american cities. If they had actually been to some, and not just the uppity tourist spots like manhatttan, they might understand.

The reason US cities seem to have a high rate of crime, is because we have these places called projects and ghettos. These places are home to the downtrodden, where they are kept in a perpetual state of fear, loathing and despair. These places are purposely flooded with drugs and guns, to make certain they kill each other off frequently. It is a pretty sad place to see, a place that seems to have no hope at all.
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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Let's do a little logic exercise. You're walking down a quiet street, and I jump out, brandishing a weapon - knife, gun, crowbar, whatever. I demand your wallet and your watch. Do you give me what I'm demanding, or do you pull your piece and try to turn the tables? If your head is on straight, you'll realize that your gun is not helpful in this situation. If you reach for it, I'm guaranteed to shoot, stab, or clobber you, and odds are I'll be able to do this before you even get your hand on the butt of your weapon, since mine is out and I'm ready for you. Your risk of injury or death skyrockets when you go for your gun, while mine only rises by a few notches. I am much more dangerous to you than you are to me, in part because I stand to lose more in this situation. If you let me have my way, you lose some money and the time it takes to file a report and cancel your credit cards. if I let you have your way, I stand to lose life or limb. So it's suddenly in my best interest to beat the hell out of you and rob you anyway. That includes your gun. Granted, if you've got the thing out in the open, I might be less-inclined to try it. But let's be honest here - if I'm in a position where mugging is a valid career choice, you're still at risk. If we're in an area where plenty of thugs like me are on this sort of career path, then we're accepting that armed people are going to come in and out of our line of work. So I might pass you over. I also might not - guns are lucrative on the black market, after all. Even in this situation, I pose more of a threat to you than you do to me, so you're better-off following my demands for both our sakes.


I consider it my duty as a citizen to attempt to end your career as a criminal for if I do not, you will choose another victim tomorrow. If I die in failure in my attempt, I am proud of my sacrifice. If your head is on straight, you'll realize that your career choice will end with your incarceration or death, and that as a CCW permit holder, I have training and in all probability, superior weapons skills which I will bring to bear on the situation.


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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:38 AM
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The answer to this is simple. I agree to hand you my wallet, I keep no cash in my wallet anyway losing the drivers license and debit card would be my biggest loss, and "accidentally" drop it in my nervousness. When you bend down to pick it up, I kill you.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:39 AM
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Well then your neighborhood is down by one well-meaning but misguided citizen and is, very probably, worse for the loss.

You hand over your valuables, probably don't get your butt kicked... and then you go to the cops, and they do that "protecting society from thugs like me" thing.

Seriously, it's like they'll tell you at McDonalds - if a dude comes in with a gun, give him the money, because four dollars and seventy-five cents an hour is NOT worth getting shot.

Edited for your second thought:

Yes, well, as I covered already, if I've decided that I'm going to mug people, then I've already committed myself to the risks inherent to this decision. If your weapon is concealed, all that means is that it's MORE LIKELY for me to target you, while still not improving your chances to bring the weapon to bear.

As for your weapon skills, well, granted, most muggers probably aren't top of the game. I mean part of the point is NOT shooting people, after all, right? But fact remains - my gun is out and pointed at you at close range, yours is holstered in a concealed location.

Maybe if you walk around with your hand on it all the time? Kinda defeats the point of carrying concealed, but does drastically reduce your chances of being the mark; you're obviously armed, and you have a pretty good chance of making use of it, in that case.
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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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Seriously, it's like they'll tell you at McDonalds - if a dude comes in with a gun, give him the money, because four dollars and seventy-five cents an hour is NOT worth getting shot.

Well if you had a gun you could always shoot him first.

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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 

The answer to this is simple. I agree to hand you my wallet, I keep no cash in my wallet anyway losing the drivers license and debit card would be my biggest loss, and "accidentally" drop it in my nervousness. When you bend down to pick it up, I kill you.


Never been mugged, have you? Good for you, it's no fun, and I hope it never happens to you.

Just in case, though, safety tip - keep your hands up and let the mugger fish out your wallet. If you reach for it, he's going to think you're going for a gun. When they tell you "don't move," or "hands up," odds are they're being quite serious about it.

Never assume that the other guy is a moron. He might very well be dumb as a sack of hair, but you can't count on that.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by mtnshredder
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 




Seriously, it's like they'll tell you at McDonalds - if a dude comes in with a gun, give him the money, because four dollars and seventy-five cents an hour is NOT worth getting shot.

Well if you had a gun you could always shoot him first.

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Really? So what, you're working the register with one hand, and the other hand has your gun trained on your customers, just in case? How's this scenario working?



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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Some of us really would rather die, than let some lowlife scum order us around and take what we sweat and bled to earn. Hard for some people to understand, but it is true. As for mcdonalds, that money in the register isn't your anyway. Why should a barely paid employee fight to keep someone else's money in the register?
edit on Wed, 12 Jan 2011 07:11:03 -0600 by TKDRL because: last sentance was reduntant



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:10 AM
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to the poster:

You are wrong. Guns in the UK are illegal and scarce.

Our murders by gun are 44 times lower than US.

The facts speak for themselves.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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I totally agree. Guns don't shoot people. the looney behind the trigger does. If a gun isn't used. A looney would use a poison dart or a bow and arrow or a spear or a rock. Here's an idea, let's outlaw looneys



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by mtnshredder
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 




Seriously, it's like they'll tell you at McDonalds - if a dude comes in with a gun, give him the money, because four dollars and seventy-five cents an hour is NOT worth getting shot.

Well if you had a gun you could always shoot him first.

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Really? So what, you're working the register with one hand, and the other hand has your gun trained on your customers, just in case? How's this scenario working?

There was some sarcasm in my post, every scenario is going to be different no matter what and I'm pretty sure a Mc D employee is not allowed to carry a firearm. If I was say eating in an establishment and someone had a gun robbing the place, I was pack'n and I could get a clean shot without harming anyone, I would probably shoot him before he killed somebody. I'm not that fond of thieves.
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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:22 AM
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Every time the gun laws come up, I am reminded of Chris Rock's 'No Sex In the Champagne Room.'
"Don't go to parties with metal detectors. Sure it feels safe inside, but what about all those niggas waitin outside with guns? They know you aint got one."



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Rocky Black
Everytime someone gets shot the anti gun people and anti constitution people come out spewing all this crap about take away their guns and this will come to an end.


What you don't understand is that constitution isn't sacred piece of paper. Not only should but also must it be updated. It's not being anti-constitution to want gun ban



Look at NY gun crime. Oh wait but it is against the law to bring a gun into NY right. Well people maybe you can tell me why their gun crime rate and murder by gun rates are so high.


Making guns illegal is just first step. Guns should be also hard to get and well that's not really true in NY.
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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by Dr X
to the poster:

You are wrong. Guns in the UK are illegal and scarce.

Our murders by gun are 44 times lower than US.

The facts speak for themselves.


Remember to factor in population differences. If the populated cities in the UK have fewer people and there are less of these populated cities, then OF COURSE the gun murders are lower. But obviously you still have them and they are a problem even though they are illegal. The difference is that no law abiding citizen in the UK can defend himself/herself with a gun, whilst the law-breakers can shoot up whomever they please with little resistance, unless a citizen is skilled with a mini crossbow or something lol. That's unlikely.

But really, the point of gun ownership in America as envisioned by the founding fathers is so that if the government becomes tyrannical that we can rise up and destroy it. Taking away our right to bear arms takes away our right to a government that is made by the people and for the people.
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edit on 12-1-2011 by Varemia because: fixed back oops



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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To the people who say that Canada is safer without guns- The Canadians basically have no army. the only reason that the Canadians do not get attacked is because the US would cover Canada and defend them if they ever were attacked. So Canada take you dumb ideas about our guns back to Canada and man up and defend youself then we can talk about our gun laws.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by Dr X
to the poster:

You are wrong. Guns in the UK are illegal and scarce.

Our murders by gun are 44 times lower than US.

The facts speak for themselves.


I'm not sure where you got your info,
though intentional homicide rate is only 4 times lower in the UK.
en.wikipedia.org...

5.0 per 100,000 vs 1.25 per 100,000
5.0 / 1.25 = 4

Switzerland has a lower crime-rate than the UK. 1.01 per 100,000
just about every male has a military grade gun.

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posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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"The Second Amendment is the one that makes the rest of the document worthwhile."



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You can crow about your guns in America...but compare the murder rates for Toronto and Detroit...about 10 times higher per capita in Detroit.

That is unfair. Look at Detroit's demographic then re-evaluate. Guns are not the problem in Detroit its the people there.

Ok...you pick an American city of 2.5 million and present the numbers. Another poster did Miami...still a 10>1 ratio if I recall.

Any city...and provide a per capita figure.




Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You can crow about your guns in America...but compare the murder rates for Toronto and Detroit...about 10 times higher per capita in Detroit.
You may have a right to your firearms (and we have legal guns, too, though more controlled), but you'd better add your national psyche to the equation.

WOW, and you had to put your foot in your mouth.
Do you have any idea what sort of city Detroit is, and what gun laws it has?
Detroit is the U.S.most unsafe city simply because it has very strict anti-gun laws, and anti carry laws...
You actually made the point the OP was making, and you didn't even realize it because like always, people like you just have a knee jerk reaction every time you hear, or read the word "gun"...


Yah, boy...do I feel stupid.

Ok...same deal as above...you pick the city.
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