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Originally posted by Wademus
Originally posted by ukredstar
I'm glad i'm not american and i'm glad i don't live there either. This thread shows that those who support having guns, are just plain stupid.
Compare the shootings in the USA to Europe? Who has more? Does your answer tell you something?
If no-one had guns there'd be next to no shootings. What is the point in having a gun. Because it makes you feel tough? To defend yourself/property? For recreational purposes.. i can understand. What do people in Europe/other parts of the world do to defend themselves or their property?
For thos of you who support guns......i just don't get it.
Some people in this world just drive me nuts with their narrow minded views.
Humans should strive for peace and guns just create an opportunity for conflict with disasterous consequences.
Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):
4161 – US
7736 – Germany
6941 – France
9927 – England and Wales
www.tinyvital.com...
Also just search around since Englands 1997 gun law round, gun crime up nearly 40% and youre some twice as likely to be mugged in england.
Gun crime INCREASED in Canada and Australia after stricter gun control laws were passed
The Swiss have almost no gun laws and almost no gun crime, so low they do not even keep stats
Oh and remember when the Nazis took away everyones guns? Gee didnt they I dont know KILL over 6 million
Originally posted by Backinthesaddle
The answer is simple isn’t it, I don’t brag about what’s in my house, I don’t keep things like drugs, guns, or money in my house. I don’t let strangers in my house and I don’t need security or a gun, you want to take my # come get it, it can be replaced, its only material anyway. I know my neighbours and neighbourhood, and I make a point of making sure I get along with other people. Sure I guess if someone broke in I would face them with this empty hand, I gained from eating well, exercising and practicing self defence. I leave my doors unlocked, but I can tell material possession is very important to U.S citizens or they wouldn’t shoot each other on a daily basis, if you want answers to problems look at yourself and address them. The answers are within, to bad your eyes are on the outside.
Getting all worked up about something you don’t agree isn’t going to change the fact that only weak fear filled men need guns to hide behind!
Originally posted by ExCloud
reply to post by purplemer
You want a Ted Bundy to walk in your home in the middle of the night? It has nothing to do with fear its safety measures. The only thing I fear is death and when the time comes I probably wont be to afraid.
If you dont know who Ted Bundy is
Ted Bundy-
One of the most notorious serial killers in history, he was responsible for the rape and murder of several women between 1974 and 1978. An educated and charming young man, he either raped and then killed the women or killed and then raped them. His method of killing was either by strangulation or by bludgeoning the women. He was arrested on the 16th of August, 1975, but escaped within 17 hours of his capture. He was subsequently arrested on the 15th of February, 1978. On the 24th of January, 1989, Ted Bundy was sent to the electric chair.
So you leave your door open and dont take any form of safety and when a quack like him comes into your home I will not feel sorry for you that you didnt lock your doors. Its not guns that kill people. Crazy people kill people.
Originally posted by Backinthesaddle
The answer is simple isn’t it, I don’t brag about what’s in my house, I don’t keep things like drugs, guns, or money in my house. I don’t let strangers in my house and I don’t need security or a gun, you want to take my # come get it, it can be replaced, its only material anyway. I know my neighbours and neighbourhood, and I make a point of making sure I get along with other people. Sure I guess if someone broke in I would face them with this empty hand, I gained from eating well, exercising and practicing self defence. I leave my doors unlocked, but I can tell material possession is very important to U.S citizens or they wouldn’t shoot each other on a daily basis, if you want answers to problems look at yourself and address them. The answers are within, to bad your eyes are on the outside.
Getting all worked up about something you don’t agree isn’t going to change the fact that only weak fear filled men need guns to hide behind!
Originally posted by yourblank101
reply to post by FreeQuebec86
Stats are useless... Just remember... Gun's don't kill people, People kill people. So let's ban people, or at least that's where we should be going with all this anti gun rhetoric.
I mean people can kill each other with rocks , arrows, etc... Why ban guns, when obviously the problem is the person using the tool.
Conclusion: If your not comfortable with a gun, Don't own one. Simple as that and don't cry wolf when you have masked men with guns in your home. Just use your karate.
Originally posted by FreeQuebec86
Originally posted by Wademus
Originally posted by ukredstar
I'm glad i'm not american and i'm glad i don't live there either. This thread shows that those who support having guns, are just plain stupid.
Compare the shootings in the USA to Europe? Who has more? Does your answer tell you something?
If no-one had guns there'd be next to no shootings. What is the point in having a gun. Because it makes you feel tough? To defend yourself/property? For recreational purposes.. i can understand. What do people in Europe/other parts of the world do to defend themselves or their property?
For thos of you who support guns......i just don't get it.
Some people in this world just drive me nuts with their narrow minded views.
Humans should strive for peace and guns just create an opportunity for conflict with disasterous consequences.
Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):
4161 – US
7736 – Germany
6941 – France
9927 – England and Wales
www.tinyvital.com...
Also just search around since Englands 1997 gun law round, gun crime up nearly 40% and youre some twice as likely to be mugged in england.
Gun crime INCREASED in Canada and Australia after stricter gun control laws were passed
The Swiss have almost no gun laws and almost no gun crime, so low they do not even keep stats
Oh and remember when the Nazis took away everyones guns? Gee didnt they I dont know KILL over 6 million
Sorry, but very bad source and stats. Here are up to date and seem more reliable :
www.nationmaster.com...
Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > Firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
# 1 South Africa: 74.5748
# 2 Colombia: 51.7683
# 3 Thailand: 33.0016
# 4 Guatemala: 18.5
# 5 Paraguay: 7.3508
# 6 Zimbabwe: 4.746
# 7 Mexico: 3.6622
# 8 United States: 3.6 USA here !!!
# 9 Belarus: 3.31
# 10 Barbados: 2.9963
# 11 Uruguay: 2.5172
# 12 Lithuania: 2.2463
# 13 Slovakia: 2.1659
# 14 Côte d'Ivoire: 2.068
# 15 Estonia: 1.534
# 16 Macedonia, Republic of: 1.2802
# 17 Latvia: 1.2648
# 18 Portugal: 0.8488
# 19 Bulgaria: 0.7714
# 20 Slovenia: 0.6036
# 21 Germany: 0.4672
# 22 Moldova: 0.4671
# 23 Hungary: 0.44
# 24 Poland: 0.4289
# 25 Ukraine: 0.3495
# 26 Australia: 0.3073
# 27 Czech Republic: 0.2624
# 28 Spain: 0.2456
# 29 Azerbaijan: 0.2236
# 30 New Zealand: 0.1827
# 31 Chile: 0.1776
# 32 Singapore: 0.0249
Now, none-arms homicidal :
www.nationmaster.com...
Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > Non-firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Colombia: 62.74
# 2 South Africa: 51.3901
# 3 Guatemala: 25.4737
# 4 Mexico: 14.1112
# 5 Paraguay: 12.0451
# 6 Estonia: 10.4456
# 7 Belarus: 10.13
# 8 Latvia: 10.0337
# 9 Lithuania: 10.0135
# 10 Ukraine: 8.9253
# 11 Thailand: 8.4679
# 12 Moldova: 8.127
# 13 Barbados: 7.4906
# 14 Zimbabwe: 7.2381
# 15 Poland: 5.6072
# 16 United States: 5.5 USA HERE !!!
# 17 Uruguay: 4.6149
# 18 Côte d'Ivoire: 4.0688
# 19 Bulgaria: 4.0652
# 20 Azerbaijan: 2.8078
# 21 Slovakia: 2.6473
# 22 Portugal: 2.4788
# 23 Macedonia, Republic of: 2.3141
# 24 Hungary: 2.05
# 25 Slovenia: 1.8109
# 26 Czech Republic: 1.6893
# 27 Australia: 1.5729
# 28 Chile: 1.5461
# 29 Spain: 1.2506
# 30 New Zealand: 1.1747
# 31 Germany: 1.1679
# 32 Singapore: 0.9209
Theses stats reveal a lot !
Last one here, the % of crime made by gun ( LOL, i guessed the right number in a other thread ( or the same here )
www.nationmaster.com...
Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > % homicides with firearms (most recent) by country
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Thailand: 79.5805
# 2 South Africa: 59.2028
# 3 Colombia: 45.2092
# 4 Slovakia: 45
# 5 Guatemala: 42.0706
# 6 Zimbabwe: 39.6026
# 7 United States: 39.5604 USA here ! 40% of murder are done by gun !!! :O
# 8 Paraguay: 37.8987
# 9 Macedonia, Republic of: 35.6164
# 10 Uruguay: 35.2941
# 11 Côte d'Ivoire: 33.6982
= 12 Germany: 28.5714
= 12 Barbados: 28.5714
# 14 Portugal: 25.3776
# 15 Slovenia: 25
# 16 Belarus: 24.628
# 17 Mexico: 20.6051
# 18 Lithuania: 18.3223
# 19 Hungary: 17.6707
# 20 Spain: 16.4129
# 21 Australia: 16.3435
# 22 Bulgaria: 15.9494
# 23 New Zealand: 13.4615
# 24 Czech Republic: 13.4432
# 25 Estonia: 12.8049
# 26 Latvia: 11.194
# 27 Chile: 10.3053
# 28 Azerbaijan: 7.377
# 29 Poland: 7.1062
# 30 Moldova: 5.4348
# 31 Ukraine: 3.7682
# 32 Singapore: 2.6316
So.... USA is always in the top 10 in death by gun... And country around are like... 3rd world country ! ( sorry mexico lol ).
And if i get this right, USA triple the death by gun ( per 100 000 habitant ) compare to the worst european country. ( Not sure if Belarus is in europe or not )
Originally posted by Stumpjumper
You can take my guns, when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
Originally posted by jeremiah8401
reply to post by Rocky Black
That's right. Guns keep people in check.
read this article and you may feel differently about the "evil" of guns
www.snopes.com...
Also our 2nd Amendment rights were given to us so we could overthrow the government if they overstep their boundaries says the founding fathers. Of course no one's gonna get an army together to invade the white house lol but that's one of the reasons we're allowed to have guns
Originally posted by purplemer
Originally posted by Stumpjumper
You can take my guns, when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.
it is people like you that win the debate for the antigun lobby.. do you think sir that you are of fit mind to have a gun.. if someone tries to take your gun off you, you will end up dead.....?
you live in fear....were has that fear come from..whom has given it to you....
Originally posted by VI0811
Originally posted by FreeQuebec86
Originally posted by Wademus
Originally posted by ukredstar
I'm glad i'm not american and i'm glad i don't live there either. This thread shows that those who support having guns, are just plain stupid.
Compare the shootings in the USA to Europe? Who has more? Does your answer tell you something?
If no-one had guns there'd be next to no shootings. What is the point in having a gun. Because it makes you feel tough? To defend yourself/property? For recreational purposes.. i can understand. What do people in Europe/other parts of the world do to defend themselves or their property?
For thos of you who support guns......i just don't get it.
Some people in this world just drive me nuts with their narrow minded views.
Humans should strive for peace and guns just create an opportunity for conflict with disasterous consequences.
Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):
4161 – US
7736 – Germany
6941 – France
9927 – England and Wales
www.tinyvital.com...
Also just search around since Englands 1997 gun law round, gun crime up nearly 40% and youre some twice as likely to be mugged in england.
Gun crime INCREASED in Canada and Australia after stricter gun control laws were passed
The Swiss have almost no gun laws and almost no gun crime, so low they do not even keep stats
Oh and remember when the Nazis took away everyones guns? Gee didnt they I dont know KILL over 6 million
Sorry, but very bad source and stats. Here are up to date and seem more reliable :
www.nationmaster.com...
Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > Firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
# 1 South Africa: 74.5748
# 2 Colombia: 51.7683
# 3 Thailand: 33.0016
# 4 Guatemala: 18.5
# 5 Paraguay: 7.3508
# 6 Zimbabwe: 4.746
# 7 Mexico: 3.6622
# 8 United States: 3.6 USA here !!!
# 9 Belarus: 3.31
# 10 Barbados: 2.9963
# 11 Uruguay: 2.5172
# 12 Lithuania: 2.2463
# 13 Slovakia: 2.1659
# 14 Côte d'Ivoire: 2.068
# 15 Estonia: 1.534
# 16 Macedonia, Republic of: 1.2802
# 17 Latvia: 1.2648
# 18 Portugal: 0.8488
# 19 Bulgaria: 0.7714
# 20 Slovenia: 0.6036
# 21 Germany: 0.4672
# 22 Moldova: 0.4671
# 23 Hungary: 0.44
# 24 Poland: 0.4289
# 25 Ukraine: 0.3495
# 26 Australia: 0.3073
# 27 Czech Republic: 0.2624
# 28 Spain: 0.2456
# 29 Azerbaijan: 0.2236
# 30 New Zealand: 0.1827
# 31 Chile: 0.1776
# 32 Singapore: 0.0249
Now, none-arms homicidal :
www.nationmaster.com...
Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > Non-firearm homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Colombia: 62.74
# 2 South Africa: 51.3901
# 3 Guatemala: 25.4737
# 4 Mexico: 14.1112
# 5 Paraguay: 12.0451
# 6 Estonia: 10.4456
# 7 Belarus: 10.13
# 8 Latvia: 10.0337
# 9 Lithuania: 10.0135
# 10 Ukraine: 8.9253
# 11 Thailand: 8.4679
# 12 Moldova: 8.127
# 13 Barbados: 7.4906
# 14 Zimbabwe: 7.2381
# 15 Poland: 5.6072
# 16 United States: 5.5 USA HERE !!!
# 17 Uruguay: 4.6149
# 18 Côte d'Ivoire: 4.0688
# 19 Bulgaria: 4.0652
# 20 Azerbaijan: 2.8078
# 21 Slovakia: 2.6473
# 22 Portugal: 2.4788
# 23 Macedonia, Republic of: 2.3141
# 24 Hungary: 2.05
# 25 Slovenia: 1.8109
# 26 Czech Republic: 1.6893
# 27 Australia: 1.5729
# 28 Chile: 1.5461
# 29 Spain: 1.2506
# 30 New Zealand: 1.1747
# 31 Germany: 1.1679
# 32 Singapore: 0.9209
Theses stats reveal a lot !
Last one here, the % of crime made by gun ( LOL, i guessed the right number in a other thread ( or the same here )
www.nationmaster.com...
Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > % homicides with firearms (most recent) by country
Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Thailand: 79.5805
# 2 South Africa: 59.2028
# 3 Colombia: 45.2092
# 4 Slovakia: 45
# 5 Guatemala: 42.0706
# 6 Zimbabwe: 39.6026
# 7 United States: 39.5604 USA here ! 40% of murder are done by gun !!! :O
# 8 Paraguay: 37.8987
# 9 Macedonia, Republic of: 35.6164
# 10 Uruguay: 35.2941
# 11 Côte d'Ivoire: 33.6982
= 12 Germany: 28.5714
= 12 Barbados: 28.5714
# 14 Portugal: 25.3776
# 15 Slovenia: 25
# 16 Belarus: 24.628
# 17 Mexico: 20.6051
# 18 Lithuania: 18.3223
# 19 Hungary: 17.6707
# 20 Spain: 16.4129
# 21 Australia: 16.3435
# 22 Bulgaria: 15.9494
# 23 New Zealand: 13.4615
# 24 Czech Republic: 13.4432
# 25 Estonia: 12.8049
# 26 Latvia: 11.194
# 27 Chile: 10.3053
# 28 Azerbaijan: 7.377
# 29 Poland: 7.1062
# 30 Moldova: 5.4348
# 31 Ukraine: 3.7682
# 32 Singapore: 2.6316
So.... USA is always in the top 10 in death by gun... And country around are like... 3rd world country ! ( sorry mexico lol ).
And if i get this right, USA triple the death by gun ( per 100 000 habitant ) compare to the worst european country. ( Not sure if Belarus is in europe or not )
Stats can easily be modified, no stats please.... I know to many Europeans to know that Europe is no bed of roses and is just as bad if not worse when is comes to NON-law abiding folk ...
Originally posted by FreeQuebec86
xD and LOL at people denying my stats and they show obscur website xD.
USA is #8 in the WORRRRRRRLD for death by gun, behind mexico...
But yeah, with a gun/death ratio like that, i would be paranoiac too and wanted a gun... xD
Gun = people killing = people buying gun for protection = Profit ??? ( For NRA at least ) xD.
Why no-one see the conspiracy in the NRA ? they are the biggest lobby in Washintong DC !
Originally posted by JACKRADAKILL
We here in Australia don't carry guns, and guess what? NEARLY NO-ONE GETS SHOT!
Sometimes I suspect that those two facts are correlated.edit on 12-1-2011 by JACKRADAKILL because: (no reason given)
source: www.ssaa.org.au...
6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Since the 1996 Port Arthur massacre, two other shooting incidents have attracted much media attention in Australia. An incident on 21 October 2002 at Monash University, in which a gunman killed two people and wounded five, prompted the National Handgun Buyback Act of 2003. Under this scheme that ran from July to
December 2003, 70,000 handguns were removed from the community at a cost of approximately A$69 million. Another shooting on 18 June 2007, in which a lone gunman killed a man who had come to the aid of an assault victim and seriously wounded two others in Melbourne’s central business district during morning rush hour,
renewed calls for tougher gun controls. Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.
Originally posted by purplemer
Originally posted by jeremiah8401
reply to post by Rocky Black
That's right. Guns keep people in check.
read this article and you may feel differently about the "evil" of guns
www.snopes.com...
Also our 2nd Amendment rights were given to us so we could overthrow the government if they overstep their boundaries says the founding fathers. Of course no one's gonna get an army together to invade the white house lol but that's one of the reasons we're allowed to have guns
your not going to over throw any government.. to start with the guns you have are toys compared to the big boys and moreimportantly you are all too busy watching tv...
when thing go wrong in europe peeps protest and riot in america they do nothing...
sounds like a dream time to me...
kx