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Can China Invade Taiwan?

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MrZ

posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 10:25 PM
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Actually, it is true that the Army was attacked before they intervened, if you watch videos on the incident, you can clearly see APCs burned and it has been reported that petrol bombs were thrown, and soldiers were killed before they went in, while they surrounded the place. That's one of the reasons that the troops were ordered in, because some of the demonstrtion became violent. Also on Tibet, although China has no claim on it, Tibet has been part of Chinese territory for hundreds of years, it has only been a country from 1912-1949, during civil unrest in China and it was never reconised as a country by the UN or India. India allowed China to claim Tibet, in exchange for Sikkim and Goa. The truth is, a nation can not really exist even if they declare independance if no one else reconises them. There are fractions all over the world that want to be independant, but no one reconises them as nations, that's partially why there's so much terrorism around.




posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 01:30 AM
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Most of the American does't know about chinese,They know chinese through their medias such as newspaper and TV, They don't know how important it was that Taiwan means to China . It is all chinese wish to reunited Taiwan to mainland oneday in the future.
Some American people worry about the war between the China an USA. I tell you this will never happen if Unitedstates won't interfere with the Taiwan affair. But if USA wanted to protect Taiwan. The war is inevitable. China has never show aggression toward another people and nation. we has only respond to their attacks. If the war is began.In order to defend our sovereighty, All chinese will ready to sacrifice for the war. we don't afraid to engage in thermonuclear war. In that way , both China and USA will be destroyed.
we don't understand why American so likely to interfere with other county's affair. we don't understand that in history of USA, why the north did not allow the south to go independent?



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 01:35 AM
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I have some Chinese Friends and I asked them how they feel about Taiwan and one of them said "Chong Choy" or some crap like that, Which meant "F*** Taiwan" And these guys are Fresh off of china so Im guessing thats what most of china thinks about Taiwan.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by redflag
China has never show aggression toward another people and nation. we has only respond to their attacks. If the war is began.In order to defend our sovereighty


You sound just like Zcheng. I am begining to wonder how many accounts he has. Anyway, lets ask the people of Nepal and Tibet about Chinese agression shall we? Taiwan would give us an earfull too. Ooops forgo tthe Spratly islands too. What sovereighty? Replace sovereighty with Territorial ambition and I might buy into it.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng


Glad you admitted the guilt of your ancestors. Do you approve what US and UK are doing in Iraq?

I admit that it was tragedy. The demonstration later became riots. I think you should remember a picture of a man standing in front of tanks. If the government was so ruthless, tank would have crashed that man. When shots were fired, Beijing had delared state emergency and curfew several days ago. Government was trying everything to calm them. Several PLA soldiers were deaten to death to alive, even though they had loaded guns with them. Could you imagine such a scene, when you have gun to shoot attacker, but you can not, not even a warning shot because of the order of no shot?

"guilt" what a strong word funny how your quick to blame me and my fellow people BUT not prepared to accept what your country done? too much propaganda in the road.
no goverment wanted that man crushed but like a solider the man didnt follow that order, every soldier can disobey an order if it moraly or humanely wrong.
also yes they were beaten to death because the people seen their friends/families being shot by the army do you think they will be understanding towards some grunts?
yeah i can its called being under UN comand as a soldeir. only under special orders can UN soliders fire and most of the time it is only in defense.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by FredT
You sound just like Zcheng. I am begining to wonder how many accounts he has. Anyway, lets ask the people of Nepal and Tibet about Chinese agression shall we? Taiwan would give us an earfull too. Ooops forgo tthe Spratly islands too. What sovereighty? Replace sovereighty with Territorial ambition and I might buy into it.


Sorry, but you're still wrong. China has always been a passive, isolationist country. It does not harbor aggression, suppressing it's people is not indicative of an offensive nation.

As for Nepal and Tibet, well, they do believe they belong to China, so you can't really blame them for aggression there.

China's so-called "aggression" is as bogus as America's aggression.


MrZ

posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by FredT
You sound just like Zcheng. I am begining to wonder how many accounts he has. Anyway, lets ask the people of Nepal and Tibet about Chinese agression shall we? Taiwan would give us an earfull too. Ooops forgo tthe Spratly islands too. What sovereighty? Replace sovereighty with Territorial ambition and I might buy into it.


I don't really know that there was any Chinese agression towards Nepal, please provide me with some evidence. I know that China and Nepal had a brief war after Nepal invaded Tibet(Twice), which was then under Chinese control and had to pay tribute to China after their defeat. Also, during the demarcation of border between China and Nepal, i believe China conceeded some land to Nepal after the two sides conducted a survey.

nepaldemocracy.org...
www.encyclopedia.com...

also, please do not accuse other members just because they share a different view from you or the same view as someone else, because most people from one region tend to have the same or similar views. And please don't accuse everyone that has that view of being brainwashed by communists. thanks

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posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 09:07 AM
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Ever been to the midwest? Didn't think so. Ever been to a res? Didn't think so. Yeah there is still poverty among the Indian population, but there are poor white folks too. Ever been to an Indian smoke shop? The Indians got a raw deal but now they take advantange of there status. Casinos are HUGE cash cow's there entire tribes of wealthy Indians because of this ....how many Tibetans have benifited from there status.
Ironicly Indians are more patriotic than most other groups and many serve in the military how many Tibetans JOIN the PLA??? You show a profound ignorance of the real status quo in the US. You are also in blatent denial about the fundamental flaws of China.




Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by Apollyon
The American Indian in the US that picked the right side did ok. (The tribes that backed the English during the French and Indian wars or the Colonies in the Revolution are still for the most part still on what were traditionally their lands) The Indian in America enjoys a special status as a citizen of there own soverign nation within the US. They can choose to be citizens of the US or not. The Tribes often make a handsom profit on casinos or tax free goods. This is not to say it is all peaches and cream poverty still runs rampant on resevations and the were genocidal attrocites commited by both sides. Today Indians look at the past and at the future.


You are so shameless to claim the good things done to native Indian in US. Native Indians are near distinction after genocide by the whites. What's the name of the "there own soverign nation within the US". All I know they are in reservations and poor. They are like animals in the zoo!



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 09:27 AM
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so at Tiananmen Square 3500 protesters died of what ? Natural causes?




Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by devilwasp
firstly less personal attacks.
secondly the "comunist ,I use the world as roughly as possible,has been no golden boy for human rights and before you go on about how we whites have done this and that i totaly agree we british are one of the worst. we invented death camps. we pilaged and killed/raped/mutilated local civilains BUT that was all before we joined the human rights thingy (is to late at night to remember its proper title). The chinese comunist goverment as I remember killed many people at a demonstration because they sent in the army. now correct me if i am wrong but isnt that murder?


Glad you admitted the guilt of your ancestors. Do you approve what US and UK are doing in Iraq?

I admit that it was tragedy. The demonstration later became riots. I think you should remember a picture of a man standing in front of tanks. If the government was so ruthless, tank would have crashed that man. When shots were fired, Beijing had delared state emergency and curfew several days ago. Government was trying everything to calm them. Several PLA soldiers were deaten to death to alive, even though they had loaded guns with them. Could you imagine such a scene, when you have gun to shoot attacker, but you can not, not even a warning shot because of the order of no shot?

Finally for the interest of all Chinese, the riots were put down. If not, China would have become Soviet Union today before its collapse. I am glad then government maintained the stability and achieved rapid developments in economy, etc.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Apollyon
so at Tiananmen Square 3500 protesters died of what ? Natural causes?



Sounds just like America's denial of it's responsibility in the single-handed destruction of the Native American way of life.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 09:42 AM
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non sequitor mean anything to you? In other words WTF does Tiananmen have to do with Indians ? I never said that a great many Indians didn't get a raw deal 100+ years ago ? They got over it and moved on.



Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

Originally posted by Apollyon
so at Tiananmen Square 3500 protesters died of what ? Natural causes?



Sounds just like America's denial of it's responsibility in the single-handed destruction of the Native American way of life.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Apollyon
non sequitor mean anything to you? In other words WTF does Tiananmen have to do with Indians ? I never said that a great many Indians didn't get a raw deal 100+ years ago ? They got over it and moved on.


So you're saying because it happened 100+ years ago, we should just say hey, it was nothing!

40 years from now, you'd probably still be screaming about Tiananmen Square considering you are so hell-bent on exploiting flaws in China's history. You know what they say, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

"They got over it and moved on?" Are you okay? So you're saying if somebody drives your way of life and almost your entire culture to extinction, one should just say "What are complaining about? Let's lose and let them take what's ours."??

That makes no sense, sorry.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
no goverment wanted that man crushed but like a solider the man didnt follow that order, every soldier can disobey an order if it moraly or humanely wrong.
also yes they were beaten to death because the people seen their friends/families being shot by the army do you think they will be understanding towards some grunts?


Many soldiers were beaten to death alive, before any shot were fired. They were murdered by mobs among demonstrators. Those blatant murders finally quicked the final decision to crack down. You are wrong in the sequence of events.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by MrZ

Originally posted by FredT
You sound just like Zcheng. I am begining to wonder how many accounts he has. Anyway, lets ask the people of Nepal and Tibet about Chinese agression shall we? Taiwan would give us an earfull too. Ooops forgo tthe Spratly islands too. What sovereighty? Replace sovereighty with Territorial ambition and I might buy into it.


I don't really know that there was any Chinese agression towards Nepal, please provide me with some evidence. I know that China and Nepal had a brief war after Nepal invaded Tibet(Twice), which was then under Chinese control and had to pay tribute to China after their defeat. Also, during the demarcation of border between China and Nepal, i believe China conceeded some land to Nepal after the two sides conducted a survey.


So you don't even try and defend what the Chinese did to the peaceful people of Tibet; simply because it is undeniable fact. Look at what you have done :
  • Since 1950 you have imported so many Chinese into Tibet that they now outnumber the Tibetans themselves.
  • Committed genocide of Tibetan culture.
  • Killed tortured and imprisoned since the occupation hundred of thousands of Tibetans.

    These are all facts



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng

Many soldiers were beaten to death alive, before any shot were fired. They were murdered by mobs among demonstrators. Those blatant murders finally quicked the final decision to crack down. You are wrong in the sequence of events.



hahaha you must be one of the few people who could possible believe that. How many stormtroopers were beaten to death by the crowd ? Please this is getting ridiculous, you are the modern day Tokyo Rose, z.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Apollyon
Ever been to the midwest? Didn't think so. Ever been to a res? Didn't think so. Yeah there is still poverty among the Indian population, but there are poor white folks too. Ever been to an Indian smoke shop? The Indians got a raw deal but now they take advantange of there status. Casinos are HUGE cash cow's there entire tribes of wealthy Indians because of this ....how many Tibetans have benifited from there status.
Ironicly Indians are more patriotic than most other groups and many serve in the military how many Tibetans JOIN the PLA??? You show a profound ignorance of the real status quo in the US. You are also in blatent denial about the fundamental flaws of China.


I have been to Cherokee Reservation. I never see the prosperity of Native Indian you attributed. Can you provide information on their income like $100,000 for each person because of their right of Casino.

Where will you go when you want to go to a Casino. Las Vegas!

Are the hotels, casinos in Las Vegas owned by Native Indians? No!

So please provide income information to support your claim that Native Indians benefited from their previledge, and show how many Casinos are owned by Native Indians. Otherwise, your claims are bogus!

Tibetan, and minority nationalities in China have priviledge than the Han majority. There is no birth control for minority. Every year resources are moved to Tibet to help developing the economy.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by mad scientist
hahaha you must be one of the few people who could possible believe that. How many stormtroopers were beaten to death by the crowd ? Please this is getting ridiculous, you are the modern day Tokyo Rose, z.


Of course, no Western media would tell you about such events. I forgive your ignorance on this matter.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by mad scientist
hahaha you must be one of the few people who could possible believe that. How many stormtroopers were beaten to death by the crowd ? Please this is getting ridiculous, you are the modern day Tokyo Rose, z.


Of course, no Western media would tell you about such events. I forgive your ignorance on this matter.


And who do you believe the Chicom news agencies ?
Come on now, everyone knows about communist propaganda.



posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng


Many soldiers were beaten to death alive, before any shot were fired. They were murdered by mobs among demonstrators. Those blatant murders finally quicked the final decision to crack down. You are wrong in the sequence of events.


isnt that saying klind of a contradictory, beaten to death alive?
i can understand what you mean but it is kinda stupid , no offence implied.
yes and the reason the mobs where there? because they didnt like the government so what does it do ? it sends out poorly armed troops with no means of self defense ,as in cant fire back, so that they have a reason to retaliate. i am sorry if i didnt remember every little detail but i am not an exspert on chinese history.


E_T

posted on Sep, 24 2004 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
As for Nepal and Tibet, well, they do believe they belong to China, so you can't really blame them for aggression there.

Thanks for admitting that... now China belongs to me if I just believe to it!


And of course this is also just "defensive" weapon:
www.janes.com...




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