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Can China Invade Taiwan?

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posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 12:51 AM
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around 96/97 chna held war games off the coast of taiwan, the u.s. goverment steped in and started mouthing off telling china they should not be doing it because of the upcomming elections.
china told u.s. officials to mind their own business they done exactly that.




posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:01 AM
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A interesting site for simulation on Taiwan crisis.
gurukul.ucc.american.edu...

Suppose you are the president of US, what will you do when China is ready to defeat Taiwan Independence?



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Umm... Americans allowed themselves to be controlled by two snipers for 23 days. Americans are freaked out at the smallest things, they can barely handle it if the smallest things go wrong in a war.


Hmmm you can't really equate a serial killer with an all out invasion now can we? If given the choice between defending our way of life and literally our homes and families, there is no way we would roll over and simply give up. Patriotism plays a part. It just takes one event to unify a population behind the flag. An invasion of the US would qualify as such an event.



[edit on 23-9-2004 by FredT]



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by unhingedmullet
around 96/97 chna held war games off the coast of taiwan, the u.s. goverment steped in and started mouthing off telling china they should not be doing it because of the upcomming elections.
china told u.s. officials to mind their own business they done exactly that.


Hmmm Yes, Clinton was clearly in the pocket of the Middle Kingdom. To busy with Monica no doubt. Kerry may bring you guys back to the good old days but hopefully Bush wins again. I doubt that Bush would give you the same responce if you tried it again.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng
A interesting site for simulation on Taiwan crisis.
gurukul.ucc.american.edu...

Suppose you are the president of US, what will you do when China is ready to defeat Taiwan Independence?


It's funny how in most of the military scenarios it refers to the Chinese leadership as irrational

Any attack on the US killing 75million people would bring swift retaliation fron the US killing 1billion Chinese.
The Chicom leadership doesn't see it s poeple as something they should traesure, they make stupis decisions for pride.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by mad scientist
It's funny how in most of the military scenarios it refers to the Chinese leadership as irrational

Any attack on the US killing 75million people would bring swift retaliation fron the US killing 1billion Chinese.
The Chicom leadership doesn't see it s poeple as something they should traesure, they make stupis decisions for pride.


It is irrational for you, but rational to Chinese people. You simply can not understand that China will sacrifice anything to keep Taiwan as part of China.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:26 AM
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madscientist doesn't know anything about China, that's all you need to know zcheng.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by FredT
Hmmm you can't really equate a serial killer with an all out invasion now can we? If given the choice between defending our way of life and literally our homes and families, there is no way we would roll over and simply give up. Patriotism plays a part. It just takes one event to unify a population behind the flag. An invasion of the US would qualify as such an event.
[edit on 23-9-2004 by FredT]


Partially true...

However, the more spoiled people are, the more complacent they become. Being as lazy and spoiled by America's incredible wealth, power, opportunity, and most Americans are pretty confident (or blindly confident) in our government. Plus, most Americans love their family and friends too much to put them at risk by taking up arms, they'd rather take the easy way out, as long as it's not death.

You and I may be two of those that resist, but I highly doubt the majority of the nation will. Plus, this is America, and the U.S. government will discourage it's citizens from arming itself.

Americans simply don't know how to handle such situations. We live in such regal splendor and comfort we're almost too scared to even get up.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by zcheng

It is irrational for you, but rational to Chinese people. You simply can not understand that China will sacrifice anything to keep Taiwan as part of China.


You mean the oligarchs of the Chinese leadership are willing to risk their poeples lives. I'm sure that if you asked the man on the street, he wouldn't be willing to have a nuclear war with the US. Actually I'm positive, too many Chinese have had a taste of the good life under their quasi capitalist economy.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by mad scientist
You mean the oligarchs of the Chinese leadership are willing to risk their poeples lives. I'm sure that if you asked the man on the street, he wouldn't be willing to have a nuclear war with the US. Actually I'm positive, too many Chinese have had a taste of the good life under their quasi capitalist economy.


No one want nuke war, esp. with US. But when the day does come, China will not falter. I can only hope that the determination of Chinese government and Chinese people will deter US from Intervention in Taiwan Strait. Otherwise, both US and China will be destroyed, as I claimed in every post.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 03:03 AM
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sweatmonicaIdo:
You and I may be two of those that resist, but I highly doubt the majority of the nation will. Plus, this is America, and the U.S. government will discourage it's citizens from arming itself.


There are between 200 and 250 million guns in american civilian hands right now and the U.S. has stockpiled weapons to arm millions.


Zcheng:
I can only hope that the determination of Chinese government and Chinese people will deter US from Intervention in Taiwan Strait.


If zcheng would stop blathering about what he knows not. Does he know that when the CCP wants outsiders to believe something is important they either pay demonstrators to show up or have commie party members show up to demonstrate. Those are the only allowed demonstrations. Some smarts should have wore off on him while he was performing his dishwashing job at the U.S. university he spoke about.

How will the chinese show their determination by praying for certain results? I don't think that will happen(you know godless commie). Will they petition the U.S. president? What with all those chinese characters? That won't work.

Bode


[edit on 9/23/2004 by bodebliss]



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 04:07 PM
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I guess it's a damn good idea for China to lay off Taiwan! Maybe China could show the world its just misunderstood by pulling out of Tibet.

Hey Zcheng what happened at Chosin? You know when 8 Chinese divisions had the 1st Marine Division surrounded and out numbered?





Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by mad scientist
You mean the oligarchs of the Chinese leadership are willing to risk their poeples lives. I'm sure that if you asked the man on the street, he wouldn't be willing to have a nuclear war with the US. Actually I'm positive, too many Chinese have had a taste of the good life under their quasi capitalist economy.


No one want nuke war, esp. with US. But when the day does come, China will not falter. I can only hope that the determination of Chinese government and Chinese people will deter US from Intervention in Taiwan Strait. Otherwise, both US and China will be destroyed, as I claimed in every post.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Apollyon
I guess it's a damn good idea for China to lay off Taiwan! Maybe China could show the world its just misunderstood by pulling out of Tibet.

Hey Zcheng what happened at Chosin? You know when 8 Chinese divisions had the 1st Marine Division surrounded and out numbered?


Tibet is a province of China, why should China pull out. All non-native indian in US should leave North America and return all lands back to native Indians.

In terms of Korean war, China just founded, most PLA in Korea do not even had enough cloth to endure the cold there, and most soldiers were on foot. The firing power of PLA at that time were very limited. US had then the most powerful Army, yet still repelled by PLA to 38 line. It is because of this war, US heeded warning from China and dared not attack north of 17 line in North Vietnam. US people are still very vivid on Vietnam war though.

Given today's PLA, I do not know whether US Army has the Gut to face PLA again. There is little different in fire power today. That said, Chinese Navy and Airforce are still far behind US, but enough to protect Chinese interests near China coasts, while US need to protest interest all around the world, thus diluting its strength. Do not contemplate war with China again, it does US no good.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 04:54 PM
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You are a hypocrite and a propagandist! You regularly cal down the US in Iraq and gloat over ever US setback there but refuse to admit China's own miserable record on human rights and that Tibet was INVADED!. The American Indian in the US that picked the right side did ok. (The tribes that backed the English during the French and Indian wars or the Colonies in the Revolution are still for the most part still on what were traditionally their lands) The Indian in America enjoys a special status as a citizen of there own soverign nation within the US. They can choose to be citizens of the US or not. The Tribes often make a handsom profit on casinos or tax free goods. This is not to say it is all peaches and cream poverty still runs rampant on resevations and the were genocidal attrocites commited by both sides. Today Indians look at the past and at the future. Tibet was not a part of China when it was invaded any more than Canada is part of the US. They have a shared history but for one to claim soverenty over the other is assinine. Tibet was soverign. Even if Tibet was a part of China it doesn't justify the atrocites commited on the Tibetan people. The Indian war occured in an age of ignorance. Was China so ignorant so recently?
The China of today is the Japan of 1926 and there will be war and it will be major and bloody.






Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by Apollyon
I guess it's a damn good idea for China to lay off Taiwan! Maybe China could show the world its just misunderstood by pulling out of Tibet.

Hey Zcheng what happened at Chosin? You know when 8 Chinese divisions had the 1st Marine Division surrounded and out numbered?


Tibet is a province of China, why should China pull out. All non-native indian in US should leave North America and return all lands back to native Indians.

In terms of Korean war, China just founded, most PLA in Korea do not even had enough cloth to endure the cold there, and most soldiers were on foot. The firing power of PLA at that time were very limited. US had then the most powerful Army, yet still repelled by PLA to 38 line. It is because of this war, US heeded warning from China and dared not attack north of 17 line in North Vietnam. US people are still very vivid on Vietnam war though.

Given today's PLA, I do not know whether US Army has the Gut to face PLA again. There is little different in fire power today. That said, Chinese Navy and Airforce are still far behind US, but enough to protect Chinese interests near China coasts, while US need to protest interest all around the world, thus diluting its strength. Do not contemplate war with China again, it does US no good.




posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng


Tibet is a province of China, why should China pull out. All non-native indian in US should leave North America and return all lands back to native Indians.



ACTUALLY if you want to get technical they didnt own all of the country only bits of it, you repetely go on about this but one fact remains it matters not. besides if i dont rem the native indians do own all of the original land they can with out blowing up and leveling major cities.
am i right americans?
also norway was supposedly the original settlers there so they own the land as well, and the british settlers went there then theres the french and ahh it gets complicated. oh and not to forget the mexicans!



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by Apollyon
The American Indian in the US that picked the right side did ok. (The tribes that backed the English during the French and Indian wars or the Colonies in the Revolution are still for the most part still on what were traditionally their lands) The Indian in America enjoys a special status as a citizen of there own soverign nation within the US. They can choose to be citizens of the US or not. The Tribes often make a handsom profit on casinos or tax free goods. This is not to say it is all peaches and cream poverty still runs rampant on resevations and the were genocidal attrocites commited by both sides. Today Indians look at the past and at the future.


You are so shameless to claim the good things done to native Indian in US. Native Indians are near distinction after genocide by the whites. What's the name of the "there own soverign nation within the US". All I know they are in reservations and poor. They are like animals in the zoo!



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng
You are so shameless to claim the good things done to native Indian in US. Native Indians are near distinction after genocide by the whites. What's the name of the "there own soverign nation within the US". All I know they are in reservations and poor. They are like animals in the zoo!

firstly less personal attacks.
secondly the "comunist ,I use the world as roughly as possible,has been no golden boy for human rights and before you go on about how we whites have done this and that i totaly agree we british are one of the worst. we invented death camps. we pilaged and killed/raped/mutilated local civilains BUT that was all before we joined the human rights thingy (is to late at night to remember its proper title). The chinese comunist goverment as I remember killed many people at a demonstration because they sent in the army. now correct me if i am wrong but isnt that murder?



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
firstly less personal attacks.
secondly the "comunist ,I use the world as roughly as possible,has been no golden boy for human rights and before you go on about how we whites have done this and that i totaly agree we british are one of the worst. we invented death camps. we pilaged and killed/raped/mutilated local civilains BUT that was all before we joined the human rights thingy (is to late at night to remember its proper title). The chinese comunist goverment as I remember killed many people at a demonstration because they sent in the army. now correct me if i am wrong but isnt that murder?


Glad you admitted the guilt of your ancestors. Do you approve what US and UK are doing in Iraq?

I admit that it was tragedy. The demonstration later became riots. I think you should remember a picture of a man standing in front of tanks. If the government was so ruthless, tank would have crashed that man. When shots were fired, Beijing had delared state emergency and curfew several days ago. Government was trying everything to calm them. Several PLA soldiers were deaten to death to alive, even though they had loaded guns with them. Could you imagine such a scene, when you have gun to shoot attacker, but you can not, not even a warning shot because of the order of no shot?

Finally for the interest of all Chinese, the riots were put down. If not, China would have become Soviet Union today before its collapse. I am glad then government maintained the stability and achieved rapid developments in economy, etc.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng

I admit that it was tragedy. The demonstration later became riots. I think you should remember a picture of a man standing in front of tanks. If the government was so ruthless, tank would have crashed that man. When shots were fired, Beijing had delared state emergency and curfew several days ago. Government was trying everything to calm them. Several PLA soldiers were deaten to death to alive, even though they had loaded guns with them. Could you imagine such a scene, when you have gun to shoot attacker, but you can not, not even a warning shot because of the order of no shot?

Finally for the interest of all Chinese, the riots were put down. If not, China would have become Soviet Union today before its collapse. I am glad then government maintained the stability and achieved rapid developments in economy, etc.


Please, you are hopeless. AAAaa riot
so that was why people were crushed to death under tank treads whilst sitting. There was no looting, no nothing, yuou are a very sad person zcheng, I feel sorry for you, it must be hard not having a mind of your own. I have never heard of these PLA soldiers being beasten to death ( they probably deserved it ), The Chicoms would have heavily publicised it if it had happened to use as justification.

As for Tibet, you have destroyed that country and have almost finished destroying its culture. I have been there, I have seen what the chinese have done. Murdering Evil Bastards. China had no legitimate claim to Tibet, the ethnic population isn't even Chinese. You talk about the US invading Iraq, what about China and Tibet. You don't see the US murdering poeple by the hundreds of thousands like in Tibet and then importing their own population to outnumber the locals. China is a joke.



posted on Sep, 23 2004 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by zcheng
I admit that it was tragedy. The demonstration later became riots. I think you should remember a picture of a man standing in front of tanks. If the government was so ruthless, tank would have crashed that man.


Hmmm. Did'nt your government later shoot the man in the . for crimes against the state? After didn't they bill the family for the cost of the bullit?

You really should put down the propaganda manual nad see what really is happaning in Tibet and what happened in Tienniman square. Riots, that is rich
fleeing from tanks that are firing is hardly a riot.



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