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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Umm... Americans allowed themselves to be controlled by two snipers for 23 days. Americans are freaked out at the smallest things, they can barely handle it if the smallest things go wrong in a war.
Originally posted by unhingedmullet
around 96/97 chna held war games off the coast of taiwan, the u.s. goverment steped in and started mouthing off telling china they should not be doing it because of the upcomming elections.
china told u.s. officials to mind their own business they done exactly that.
Originally posted by zcheng
A interesting site for simulation on Taiwan crisis.
gurukul.ucc.american.edu...
Suppose you are the president of US, what will you do when China is ready to defeat Taiwan Independence?
Originally posted by mad scientist
It's funny how in most of the military scenarios it refers to the Chinese leadership as irrational
Any attack on the US killing 75million people would bring swift retaliation fron the US killing 1billion Chinese.
The Chicom leadership doesn't see it s poeple as something they should traesure, they make stupis decisions for pride.
Originally posted by FredT
Hmmm you can't really equate a serial killer with an all out invasion now can we? If given the choice between defending our way of life and literally our homes and families, there is no way we would roll over and simply give up. Patriotism plays a part. It just takes one event to unify a population behind the flag. An invasion of the US would qualify as such an event.
[edit on 23-9-2004 by FredT]
Originally posted by zcheng
It is irrational for you, but rational to Chinese people. You simply can not understand that China will sacrifice anything to keep Taiwan as part of China.
Originally posted by mad scientist
You mean the oligarchs of the Chinese leadership are willing to risk their poeples lives. I'm sure that if you asked the man on the street, he wouldn't be willing to have a nuclear war with the US. Actually I'm positive, too many Chinese have had a taste of the good life under their quasi capitalist economy.
sweatmonicaIdo:
You and I may be two of those that resist, but I highly doubt the majority of the nation will. Plus, this is America, and the U.S. government will discourage it's citizens from arming itself.
Zcheng:
I can only hope that the determination of Chinese government and Chinese people will deter US from Intervention in Taiwan Strait.
Originally posted by zcheng
Originally posted by mad scientist
You mean the oligarchs of the Chinese leadership are willing to risk their poeples lives. I'm sure that if you asked the man on the street, he wouldn't be willing to have a nuclear war with the US. Actually I'm positive, too many Chinese have had a taste of the good life under their quasi capitalist economy.
No one want nuke war, esp. with US. But when the day does come, China will not falter. I can only hope that the determination of Chinese government and Chinese people will deter US from Intervention in Taiwan Strait. Otherwise, both US and China will be destroyed, as I claimed in every post.
Originally posted by Apollyon
I guess it's a damn good idea for China to lay off Taiwan! Maybe China could show the world its just misunderstood by pulling out of Tibet.
Hey Zcheng what happened at Chosin? You know when 8 Chinese divisions had the 1st Marine Division surrounded and out numbered?
Originally posted by zcheng
Originally posted by Apollyon
I guess it's a damn good idea for China to lay off Taiwan! Maybe China could show the world its just misunderstood by pulling out of Tibet.
Hey Zcheng what happened at Chosin? You know when 8 Chinese divisions had the 1st Marine Division surrounded and out numbered?
Tibet is a province of China, why should China pull out. All non-native indian in US should leave North America and return all lands back to native Indians.
In terms of Korean war, China just founded, most PLA in Korea do not even had enough cloth to endure the cold there, and most soldiers were on foot. The firing power of PLA at that time were very limited. US had then the most powerful Army, yet still repelled by PLA to 38 line. It is because of this war, US heeded warning from China and dared not attack north of 17 line in North Vietnam. US people are still very vivid on Vietnam war though.
Given today's PLA, I do not know whether US Army has the Gut to face PLA again. There is little different in fire power today. That said, Chinese Navy and Airforce are still far behind US, but enough to protect Chinese interests near China coasts, while US need to protest interest all around the world, thus diluting its strength. Do not contemplate war with China again, it does US no good.
Originally posted by zcheng
Tibet is a province of China, why should China pull out. All non-native indian in US should leave North America and return all lands back to native Indians.
Originally posted by Apollyon
The American Indian in the US that picked the right side did ok. (The tribes that backed the English during the French and Indian wars or the Colonies in the Revolution are still for the most part still on what were traditionally their lands) The Indian in America enjoys a special status as a citizen of there own soverign nation within the US. They can choose to be citizens of the US or not. The Tribes often make a handsom profit on casinos or tax free goods. This is not to say it is all peaches and cream poverty still runs rampant on resevations and the were genocidal attrocites commited by both sides. Today Indians look at the past and at the future.
Originally posted by zcheng
You are so shameless to claim the good things done to native Indian in US. Native Indians are near distinction after genocide by the whites. What's the name of the "there own soverign nation within the US". All I know they are in reservations and poor. They are like animals in the zoo!
Originally posted by devilwasp
firstly less personal attacks.
secondly the "comunist ,I use the world as roughly as possible,has been no golden boy for human rights and before you go on about how we whites have done this and that i totaly agree we british are one of the worst. we invented death camps. we pilaged and killed/raped/mutilated local civilains BUT that was all before we joined the human rights thingy (is to late at night to remember its proper title). The chinese comunist goverment as I remember killed many people at a demonstration because they sent in the army. now correct me if i am wrong but isnt that murder?
Originally posted by zcheng
I admit that it was tragedy. The demonstration later became riots. I think you should remember a picture of a man standing in front of tanks. If the government was so ruthless, tank would have crashed that man. When shots were fired, Beijing had delared state emergency and curfew several days ago. Government was trying everything to calm them. Several PLA soldiers were deaten to death to alive, even though they had loaded guns with them. Could you imagine such a scene, when you have gun to shoot attacker, but you can not, not even a warning shot because of the order of no shot?
Finally for the interest of all Chinese, the riots were put down. If not, China would have become Soviet Union today before its collapse. I am glad then government maintained the stability and achieved rapid developments in economy, etc.
Originally posted by zcheng
I admit that it was tragedy. The demonstration later became riots. I think you should remember a picture of a man standing in front of tanks. If the government was so ruthless, tank would have crashed that man.