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Originally posted by UsuallyNot
reply to post by Gab1159
Well, if he asks for evidence it does not really help to keep throwing 'possiblities' at him. You speak of wormholes, also stargates (whatever they may be); unexplored, undiscovered methods of long distance travel don't make for a good argument. One can neither accept or deny the possibility, but at this point in time, with out current knowledge, we can define what is likely and what is not.
Fermi realized that any civilization with a modest amount of rocket technology and an immodest amount of imperial incentive could rapidly colonize the entire Galaxy. Within ten million years, every star system could be brought under the wing of empire. Ten million years may sound long, but in fact it's quite short compared with the age of the Galaxy, which is roughly ten thousand million years. Colonization of the Milky Way should be a quick exercise...
A lot of folks have given this thought. The first thing they note is that the Fermi Paradox is a remarkably strong argument. You can quibble about the speed of alien spacecraft, and whether they can move at 1 percent of the speed of light or 10 percent of the speed of light. It doesn't matter. You can argue about how long it would take for a new star colony to spawn colonies of its own. It still doesn't matter. Any halfway reasonable assumption about how fast colonization could take place still ends up with time scales that are profoundly shorter than the age of the Galaxy. It's like having a heated discussion about whether Spanish ships of the 16th century could heave along at two knots or twenty. Either way they could speedily colonize the Americas.
Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by MarrsAttax
Well for starters, distances are unimaginably vast. Yes we can achieve interstellar flight if you don't mind centuries or thousands or millions of years flight time. Einstein sez" As an object approches the speed of light ( approx. 750,000,000 mph ) it's mass increases to nearly infinity, requiring nearly infinite energy to achieve that velocity.
Think about that. INFINITE ENERGY!!
Don't flippantly skim over that! Infinite. Now that's some technical problem eh? It may never be solved.
to simply say "they have advanced tech is the understatement of all time.
Believers conveniently ignore the logistics of interstellar flight.
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
Here, I'll give you a little start, perhaps some incentive to redeem yourself. Please, by all means, drop by any of these following threads to offer logical debate and discussion. You obviously seem to know more than the rest of us do. Please forgive me if I don't hold my breath waiting for you to show up.
The Robertson Panel: UFOs and Ridicule
UFO Government Documentary Evidence ~ John Greenewald Junior
*Above BlueBook* - Ohio UFO Chase , Portage County April 17, 1966
Revisiting The 1994 Nellis Air Force Base UFO Video
The SAC Base UFO Flyovers - Oct/Nov, 1975
Firestorm: Dr. McDonald's Fight for UFO Science
Eighty Years of Pilot UFO sightings
The Minot AFB B-52 UFO Incident
Major Donald Keyhoe's UFO Archives
The Missing UFO Evidence Thread
Ted Phillips on UFO Physical Trace Research
White Sands UFO tracked by Theodolite pulling 20 G's
Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by Jocko Flocko
Once again you assume I'm simply not familiar with the subject.
What's to debate? It's like debating God. YOU believe, you have NO PROOF, you want to convince ( convert) me.
Why if I only knew what YOU know I would believe!
Paise the aliens.
Believers convieniently ignore the logistics of interstellar flight. Why they have advanced tech! There, that explains it! No it doesn't. They how, and the why are always in sci/fi territory, you simply skirt the issues, or more likely, you don't understand them.
Originally posted by TheFlash
This is just to inform those interested in this thread that shortly after my last post here, OldDragger sent me a private message telling me that he will no longer be posting here on ATS. Interesting....