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I agree that's a very interesting UFO case with physical evidence. It could have even been an extraterrestrial UFO, for example space rocks have been known to glow brightly when entering the earth's atmosphere and break into multiple pieces. I don't know if it was a meteorite or collection of meteorite fragments which caused the damage or something else, but I'm hard pressed to see signs of extraterrestrial intelligence here. If that incident was cause by aliens how intelligent could they be if they crash into the sherriff's car? Those would be what some people would call "stupid aliens".
originally posted by: AlFeynman
a reply to: JayJay77
For me given my overall experience of vehicle crashes the 1979 case of Val Johnson is compelling evidence. Eye witness statements and corresponding physical evidence.... which is the tire marks, vehicle damage and vehicle dynamics.
I thought there were people who thought aliens built the pyramids but I don't get why humans can't quarry, move, and stack some stones. Apparently you may accept that possibly but your argument is something like "it was a lot of stones and I don't buy that a lot of people could do that". You ask some interesting questions and we don't have all the answers but there were over 1000 unsolved murders last year. Should we presume aliens are responsible just because we don't know who is responsible? That would make about as much sense as associating aliens with the pyramids to me, or assuming that aliens must be involved with the Val Johnson incident because nobody can explain what happened. We still don't know some pyramid details like ramp construction, but this video might answer some of your questions:
This is recent history, lets look at old history, the great pyramid...
I am not saying that this cannot be done with the technology of the time, but I am asking where is the evidence of this technology and where is the infrastructure?
Third, pick from Gobeckli Tepe for history or the case of a UFO shutting down all of the nuclear missile silos at an Air Force base.
“On March 24, 1967, it is alleged that ten of the base’s Minuteman ICBMs known as Oscar Flight became inoperative, supposedly after UFOs were seen hovering over them. Personnel who have reported the UFOs include Captain (then First Lieutenant) Robert Salas, Colonel Frederick Meiwald, First Lieutenant Robert C. Jamison, and Staff Sergeant Louis D. Kenneweg.
“For the record, it should be noted, however, that none of these men actually saw anything themselves, so all of the information in regard to the alleged UFOs is second-hand. In most cases, the information originated with unnamed individuals who have never come forward to speak on their own behalf, making the claims of these so-called “witnesses” impossible to verify. It’s true as well that none of the men listed reported the alleged UFOs within the first quarter-century after the fact. There is also no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that any of the Oscar Flight missiles actually failed in 1967 (or on any other date, for that matter).
This is part of your tunnel vision issue, looking at bits and pieces of a case like in the alleged UFO shutting down missiles where there is not a single eyewitness to the UFO. In this case your tunnel vision is stated, based on this single photo, which is not even true since I provided you not only the photo in my post but a link to another photo of the car from a different angle and a man holding a piece of the meteorite. This case is extremely well documented. You should be equally skeptical of all cases so I think it's good that you're raising questions about this meteorite impact, but it's disappointing you don't appear to pursue the answers to these nor to also pursue more details on other cases that are woefully lacking in evidence, like the lack of an eyewitness to the alleged UFO in your top three that allegedly shut down the missiles.
originally posted by: AlFeynman
a reply to: Arbitrageur
Your take on the evidence and my take on the evidence are different. Regarding the vehicle hit by the meteor, I have to be honest, based on the single photo I am not buying it.
The Peekskill meteorite is among the most historic meteorite events on record. Sixteen separate video recordings document the meteorite burning through the Earth's atmosphere, whereupon it struck a parked car in Peekskill, New York...
The meteorite fell on October 9, 1992 – an event witnessed by thousands across the East Coast. Numerous residents of Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Washington D.C. described the "huge greenish fireball." The meteorite broke up over Kentucky and passed over West Virginia and Pennsylvania on its north-northeast trajectory before striking a parked 1980 red Chevy Malibu at approximately 7:50 pm EDT. After traveling through space at a cosmic velocity of 8.8 miles per second (14 km/s, 31,600 miles per hour), the speed of the meteorite at impact had slowed to 164 miles per hour (264 km/h)...
Peekskill smashed through the Malibu’s trunk and narrowly missed the gas tank, finally coming to rest in an impact pit beneath the car. Seventeen-year-old Michelle Knapp, the car’s owner, heard the collision from inside her home. She later described the sound as “like a three-car crash”. Hurrying outside to investigate the noise, Knapp found her car smashed and the meteorite weighing 27.28 pounds (12.37 kg), or 12.4 kg still warm and smelling of sulfur, beneath it.
Knapp had just purchased the car for $300. Immediately following the extraterrestrial impact, it was sold to Iris Lang, wife of renowned meteorite collector and dealer Al Lang, for $25,000. Since then, it has been on display in numerous museums throughout the world, including New York City’s American Museum of Natural History and France’s National Museum of Natural History.
The red Malibu, the most renowned object clipped by a meteorite, is now owned by the Macovich Collection in New York City, as is the largest remaining specimen of the Peekskill meteorite.
That's an admirable goal but I think you should try harder if you want to make that claim since again your malmstrom case is woefully lacking in any verifiable evidence, yet it's one of your top three, but in contrast the Peekskill meteorite case is overflowing with verifiable evidence and that's one you question. Questioning is good, but do it for every case, including the UFOs shutting down missiles. Read the article I linked about that.
As for me, I try my best to understand things before I make a decision on things.
I thought the video answered that lots of evidence was found of the pyramid builders, and the video also provided links so go to that youtube page and follow those links then refer to them when asking for clarification, or do I need to spoon feed those to you too? I already gave you the link to the video and the links are right there with the video, it seems like spoon feeding already but you're claiming to still not have answers and I can't tell if you even read those links.
Example, you showed me how the pyramids were build, but you provided no answers regarding the infrastructure questions I have. For me that is part of the understanding, I need answers to the questions I asked and so far I have not received a lot of answers to a lot of questions I have asked.
Do you mean "UFO" as in unidentified flying object? Or do you mean alien spaceship? I know some people use the terms interchangeably, though I try not to do that. We might tend to be a little anthropocentric but it's not totally unreasonable to look at our own interstellar space ship designs for a clue of what other interstellar space ships might be like. We don't have faster than light travel and it's possible that nobody does, which means interstellar ships would need to be large to carry lots of supplies, and that's how our interstellar craft was imagined in project Orion, with an estimated weight of 8 million tons it would be like a small city, which is what we expected we would need for interstellar travel.
But rather than discussion the value of evidence per individual, the proper thing here is for me to ask a question or two, What do you need as evidence in order to believe that a UFO was here?
These were scientists who came up with the design and currently this might still be the best design humans have yet for an interstellar ship, 8 million tons and 400 meters across. So again maybe I'm tainted by science and our anthropocentric viewpoint because I admit aliens could very well have far more advanced technology, but still I think interstellar travel is no small feat still probably requiring large ships. Something like Project Orion would have this kind of scale if we saw it in the sky, not some fuzzy dot like we see in a lot of UFO videos.
Project Orion was a study of a spacecraft intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft (nuclear pulse propulsion). Early versions of this vehicle were proposed to take off from the ground with significant associated nuclear fallout; later versions were presented for use only in space...
The biggest design above is the "super" Orion design; at 8 million tonnes, it could easily be a city. In interviews, the designers contemplated the large ship as a possible interstellar ark. This extreme design could be built with materials and techniques that could be obtained in 1958 or were anticipated to be available shortly after.