Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
reply to post by PsychoX42

 

PsychoX42.....

You appear to be branding me as a rabid "non believer".

That means you have not read my threads, not read my posts, not listened to me on ATS Live, etc...

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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My apologies if I have somehow misinterpreted your intentions.

Namaste and Love

People who have been seriously visited have no doubt that they have been visited.
If the "Visitors" wanted you to know, you would know directly.
The question you might be asking then Old Dragger is:

Why haven't they shown me?

No offence but...
Guess you don't have whatever it is that gets you in the club.

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Sorry, but an Official Report won't cut the mustard for me. In good quality photos you can see these "reflections from a temperature conversion" are all the exact same shape, even the ones in the far distance.

Do such reflections spread out over 6 miles all look the same from one spot? I'd think not.

And surely such similar weather has happened at least a few times since those three days and nights, so why no "Reflections" from similar years.

Originally posted by Master Shen long
Angry troll alert!!!!!

So your saying pilots, police, air force, scientists, commisioned military officers to name but a few who have come forward with multiple eye witness accounts dont count of evidence as visitation? Maybe not in your eyes but you dont realy matter now do you?

Your just an angry troll.....

Now if i have a photo of a clear as day ufo with little gray dudes in portals waving at you what would you do? scream "CGI". If i show u a blurry pic of a ufo zooming at a zillion mph what would you say? FAKE!

Your in the wrong website...... Thats unless you come to stir trouble

[edit on 10-7-2010 by Master Shen long]

Exactly my toughts mate!
This just another "member" looking for some atention, nothing more!

reply to post by OldDragger


The measure of truth in the Western World is "Witness". Three people witness a murder, the killer fries.

But, if millions of people witness the same or similar experiences -- independently -- you and others say that's not evidence. That's the nature of God (ET/UFO/Alien). He likes to be "felt", but not caught.

Perhaps to expose dummies who don't "believe".

How about the Crop Circles? How about the thousands of translations from the English language --- hidden in the language by ET's. How about the Image of the Haitian Island Group written on the face of the SUN at the time of the Haiti earthquake, and a short time later, the image of the Olympics Logo – at the time of the Canada Olympics.

If there is one miracle -- there is a God/UFO/ET/Alien in control. Look around, there is evidence of many, many miracles.

Originally posted by eennoo

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
True, humans could be flying these crafts, but it doesnt mean Extraterrestrials are not !!

That is true, however....

We have NEVER seen extraterrestrials flying in Earth's atmosphere, ever..

That is what I think the OP is trying to get at.

We have seen all types of humans flying in Earth's atmosphere, and we have pictures and video of humans flying inside. But we don't have any pictures or videos of extraterrestrials flying inside.

It's been a really long time now since aliens first were considered to be flying around, and yet we have ZERO SOLID PROOF of anything alien.

This is why the default mundane explanation is always considered by skeptics.

I WISH THERE WAS PROOF of extraterrestrial visitation, but the reality is, there is NONE.

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I must agree with your line of thought. I have heard of the US and Russia grabbing stuff from nazi germany at the end of the war (plus scientists) which could mean that humans are the pilots of unidentified experimental craft.

and in 2000 years of the written history (give more consideration to the period between 50 to 250 years ago) not much has been written about flying craft with flashing lights, nor abductions. you have to admit, not many stories of young squire montfrey being taken away by funny grey creatures, or the lord of the manors livestock being chopped up in the fields. and for that manner, not many crop circles ruining peasant jonas' wheat crop

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colorado 1929

also, research battle of LA

there's also that old top hat ufo



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Good topic!

I have observed that those who "believe" do so in a fervent, almost religious manner. To question their belief is to attack their god of belief.

The belief goes even further than just existence, but maintains that aliens are benevolent, much more enlightened than us and eager to share their knowledge with lowly man. Some even believe that man was “seeded” here by aliens. Now there is a heap-o-doctrine for you. They can believe this with no evidence but reject the idea of a creative God, in many cases. No one explains how all this is determined. It is just the standard accepted line of "believers". If you challenge the "believers" you will be torn limb to limb and relegated to the Neanderthal section of wisdom.

I personally have no idea if extraterrestrial aliens exist. I have no problem believing that we may be the only highly intelligent beings in the vast universe we find ourselves in. Nothing says there “must” be others. My inclination is that there may be other life in the universe. Who knows how intelligent it may be or if it has advanced any beyond microbial form?

Joseph P. Farrell has written several books speculating that the UFO’s that appeared immediately after WWII were in fact creations of the surviving Nazi scientific community in South America (mainly Argertina) using their advanced scientific knowledge acquired in the 1920's-1945. I find his research to be very convincing. Much of what we observe as extraterrestrial vehicles comes from our per-determined prejudices guiding us in a particular direction. One should think outside the box to get a better view of reality. I would encourage others to read Mr Farrell's books:

Nazi International: The Nazis' Postwar Plan to Control the Worlds of Science, Finance, Space, and Conflict

Reich of The Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & The Cold War Allied Legend

The SS Brotherhood of the Bell: Nasa's Nazis, JFK, And Majic-12

and, his just released 500+ pg book...

Roswell and the Reich: The Nazi Connection

They are available at Amazon.com - do a book search under the name Joseph P Farrell


A personal note; I had always just assumed that, as they say, "We are not alone." Now, I duno.


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I agree with those that say millions of people witnessing the same thing can't be wrong. I used to be a skeptic, like the OP, about many things. Ghosts were where my hatred came in. Then I started doing my own investigations that made a believer of me. So my suggestion is this, spend some time in some of these "hotspots" and see for yourself. If you fail to approach the subject with an open mind, however, your own beliefs will cloud the truth. You have to believe in the possibility for it to have a chance of being true.

Edit: Notified some problems with these links; Sorry if you experience it.
The website I am getting everything re:evidence is ufoevidence.org so you may have to visit it off the ATS site. Contents are on the first page so easy to negotiate. The older stuff is most interesting.
Peace

Astronaut's Claim UFO's exist
www.dailymail.co.uk...
Edgar Mitchell

Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14 Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed. Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up. Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.' He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head. Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'. Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission. 'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. 'It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

www.ufoevidence.org...
Gordon Cooper, Mercury Astronaut

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity. "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth" he told a United Nations panel in 1985. "I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion" He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us"

www.ufoevidence.org...
Ed White & James McDivitt

In June 1965, astronauts Ed White (first American to walk in space) and James McDivitt were passing over Hawaii in a Gemini spacecraft when they saw a weird-looking metallic object. The UFO had long arms sticking out of it. McDivitt took pictures with a cine-camera. Those pictures have never been released.

James Lovell and Frank Borman

In December 1965, Gemini astronauts James Lovell and Frank Borman also saw a UFO during their second orbit of their record-breaking 14 day flight. Borman reported that he saw an unidentified spacecraft some distance from their capsule. Gemini Control, at Cape Kennedy told him that he was seeing the final stage of their own Titan booster rocket. Borman confirmed that he could see the booster rocket all right, but that he could also see something completely different.
James Lovell
It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words."

Neil Armstrong & Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin

According to the NASA Astronaut Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and told us in no uncertain terms to get off and stay off the Moon. According to hitherto un-confirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard.

NASA employee Otto Binder

According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange: NASA: Whats there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11... Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us!

Neil Armstrong

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium. Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11? Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city. Professor: How do you mean "warned off"? Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station. Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11? Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again.
According to a Dr. Vladimir Azhazha:
"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But this message was never heard by the public -- because NASA censored it."
According to a Dr. Aleksandr Kasantsev, Buzz Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside.
Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up.

Donald Slayton

Donald Slayton a Mercury astronaut revealed in an interview he had seen UFOs in 1951: "I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. I was at about 10,000 feet on a nice, bright, sunny afternoon. I thought the object was a kite, then I realized that no kite is gonna fly that high." As I got closer it looked like a weather balloon, gray and about three feet in diameter. But as soon as I got behind the darn thing it didn't look like a balloon anymore. It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me -- and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

Major Robert White

Major Robert White On July 17, 1962 Major Robert White reported a UFO during his fifty-eight-mile high flight of an X-15. Major White reported: "I have no idea what it could be. It was grayish in color and about thirty to forty feet away." Then according to a Time Magazine article, Major White exclaimed over the radio: "There ARE things out there! There absolutely is!"

NASA Pilot Joseph A. Walker

NASA Pilot Joseph A. Walker On May 11, 1962 NASA pilot Joseph Walker said that one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He had filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking fifty-mile-high flight in April, 1962. It was the second time he had filmed UFOs in flight. During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Washington he said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight." - Joseph Walker

Commander Eugene Cernan

Eugene Cernan was commander of Apollo 17. In a Los Angeles Times article in 1973 he said, about UFOs: "...I've been asked (about UFOs) and I've said publicly I thought they (UFOs) were somebody else, some other civilization."

Are they all lying?
Why would any of them, much less all of them, invite ridicule and risk their credibility?


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Old Dragger, I see you have made another thread to try and make yourself popular with the UFO aficionados.

I've personally yet to see irrefutable proof, although should they be here; concealment is likely a goal. But they would almost certainly be bound to the occasional mistake.

Like Santa, people are wild with excitement awaiting the arrival, assuming they are armed heavily with toys and surprises. The secrets of the Universe. To save us from ourselves.

I'm not so optimistic. When and if they do come, it will be because we have something they want. I personally don't look forward to it, and suspect we will be at the mercy of whatever they decide to do.

Now having exposed my doubts about their visitation and motives, I will tell you I believe in interdimensional beings!! Hm. See, I can be just as "out there" as the next guy! Of course I have reservations about their motives too!

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I think...







Perhaps....







This is a dead end thread, sure rakes in the replies tho eh?






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Jeez does noone get this? The OP isnt saying ufos dont exist hes sayin that they cant be proven to be of ET origins.
He references pics in his title to lure u into an arguement . I mean, he already said he would need a birth cert. from an entity claiming to be from off world.
so imagine a lil grey "alien" landing in his yard , he know this is a ufo , but he has to be certain its ET so he tells the lil green guy " Nice ship, but not PROOF you came from jupiter. so im calling you a Hoax". Thats his mind set ... so unless u have an entity, a long form birth cert, and a way to take him to the entitys planet he wont accept anything as "proof".

Originally posted by Master Shen long

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by jpvskyfreak
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cff29d8dd687.jpg[/atsimg]

Taken from the cockpit of a cessna 172 German pilot doing private flying near Big Bear Mountain in the USA.

Jpvskyfreak.....

That looks a little "iPhone-ish" to me.....

Here is a selection of UFO's that can be inserted into users' photo's with this app:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5dee8a3c2f8c.jpg[/atsimg]

Here's my thread about that:

Would The iPhone UFO App Fool Members of ATS?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Stop your crap.......

If that is your case then even people are not real. Hey there is an Iphone app for that too.

Your an ass... No offence i enjoy some of your threads and posts but sometimes you scrape the s#&$.

Off topic a little, but still being skeptical. In the UFO pictures list i'm wondering if the 3rd center image from the left is actually a superimposed image of a Nuclear Test thats been passed off as a UFO.
It looks like something from "Operation Snapper" which tested the rope-trick effect.

Originally posted by RUDDD49

Originally posted by Master Shen long

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by jpvskyfreak
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cff29d8dd687.jpg[/atsimg]

Taken from the cockpit of a cessna 172 German pilot doing private flying near Big Bear Mountain in the USA.

Jpvskyfreak.....

That looks a little "iPhone-ish" to me.....

Here is a selection of UFO's that can be inserted into users' photo's with this app:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5dee8a3c2f8c.jpg[/atsimg]

Here's my thread about that:

Would The iPhone UFO App Fool Members of ATS?

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Stop your crap.......

If that is your case then even people are not real. Hey there is an Iphone app for that too.

Your an ass... No offence i enjoy some of your threads and posts but sometimes you scrape the s#&$.

Off topic a little, but still being skeptical. In the UFO pictures list i'm wondering if the 3rd center image from the left is actually a superimposed image of a Nuclear Test thats been passed off as a UFO.
It looks like something from "Operation Snapper" which tested the rope-trick effect.

Dont ask me.... ask maybe maybe not

Or Phage

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Ok and what? Yes we dont know 100% if all the pics are fake or not. Do you?

No we wont search for pics to show you and then you just lough on it.

We just dont give a s*%t if many of them are fake, that small percentage is enough for us to ignore the fake ones.

Go and search for ufo videos, pictures and stop crying about fake ones.

Damn i hate these kind of whiny threads!

Dear OP,

Your argument and questioning is valid, but it says more about you than it disproves the reality of UFO's. What your post says to me is that you aren't convinced by the quality of existing data, photos and witnesses and documents which in total, must equal in the hundreds of thousands. What your post says to me, is that you MUST have examined all of these things and determined that not ONE of them meets your standards of proof. In this sense, it becomes your own personal issue, since your standards of proof seem to differ from most reasonable people. I find it hard to believe that combing through the thousands of books, pictures, witness testimony, and documents that you couldn't come up with at least a small number of items that interested you or at least gave you pause.

What is it that you need? Because ignoring the evidence that is out there tells me that you are being unreasonable. There are many, many things that occur in earth's history and in the present that we don't understand, but it doesn't mean they don't exist. The pyramids in Egypt, come to mind. And somtimes we have what we deem "reasonable proof" but it doesn't hold up in a court of law, even though we know better. OJ Simpson comes to mind. Apparently the proof that was gathered in his case wasn't convincing enough to his corrupt jury, but there isn't one person in the world who thinks OJ is innocent of killing his wife. My POINT, OP, is that proof is subjective. Proof is in the eye of the beholder.

I can't believe, for example, that you could watch Ancient Aliens and not find some dots to connect. I cannot believe that you could read some of the testimony from several astronauts and not find something compelling in their words. Most of all, I cannot believe that you could overlook the fact that people have been MURDERED in the name of UFO's and still, you look the other way. There are hundreds of books and thousands of photos and NOT ONE has interested you? Or swayed you in any way?

What that tells me is that you are a WHITE HOUSE LAWN guy. Unless a UFO lands on the White House lawn, you are happy---even excited---to overlook any sort of "proof" that comes your way.

Several intelligent, college educated, hard working and honest people that I know have seen UFO's. They have no reason to lie, they have no agenda. Their stories are compelling and true, and I am more inclined to be swayed by them than I am some guy who writes a post on ATS DEMANDING to see proof---right here and right now.

If I were an alien, the last thing I'd want to do is land on the White House lawn. We are a dangerous and unpredictable race whose Government lies to us, where murder, thievery and unrest define our every day. We are still in the Middle Ages and we're not ready for such a truth to be revealed. When and if we ever evolve, the day will come.

In the meantime, help the world evolve. Instead of writing and calling more reasonable people "idiots" for being swayed by the current proof, use that time to get to know the hidden truths of life, the true nature of reality. Read a book on quantum physics. Learn to meditate. You are still asleep.........

But there's hope for you.

TBH, you will not get to OP with all the photos, videos, story's ect.

Trust me don't bother, it's like talking to a brick wall, it's his opinion and no one will prove to him with such evidence of aliens ect.

I respect his opinion, for example debris i see your pictures quite alot on UFO threads and i do not understand what i'm supposed to be seeing.
At least get a decent camera and not all of them can be blurred.

It's people like you who let down the UFO community.

I believe there here because i have seen a UFO, i can't prove it to anyone, but i don't care i'm just fortunate to see one

Don't call him a troll because he ain't one, i think hes really anticipated to see some prove, hopefully one day you will see something that is out of this world

Maybe that will change your mind

Peace

By the way OP don't take the talking to a brick wall an offence , im just saying no one will prove to you digitally.... PEACE