Just because there is no crystal clear image or video doesn't mean something is not real. Have you ever seen a photo of fresh air? No but you know it
exists. There is never going to be a clear HD image of a craft or alien or whatever it is so we have to work with what we have. While the OP's
argument makes sense the way in which it is conducted is awful, you can't bully people into thinking the same.
Do you understand what a UFFO is? It is an Unidentified Flying Object. Throwing out dozens of examples of people who say "I saw a UFO." proves
nothing as to their otherworldly existence. A baseball can be an unidentified flying object if it zips by your head unexpectedly. One humdred years
of "sightings" and NO PROOF of any extraterestial aliens.
"OldDragger" is being a typical COINTELPRO agent [counter intelligence programme]. Obviously all that anyone need do is to simply ignor his
rediculous thread. It is he who is being credulant when, contrary to massive heaps of evidence, he nevertheless believes, that UFO are not real.
Believing that UFO are not existant, is in the same category as, believing that ghosts do not exist, or that God is not existant.
God, UFO, Ghosts, etc, are all phenomenon pertaining to higher dimensionality. Like as be the subconscious mind. We cannot see or hear the
subconscious mind, but we can infer by its indirect effects on our mundain consciousness, that it does actually exist. It is the same with regard to
the ubiquitous UFO, ghosts, and occassional angel or tooth fairy too. I have never seen a tooth fairy, but I know from credible witness accounts from
others, that the tooth fairy exist in vaste numbers. Despite the incredulity of the adult population, nevertheless vaste numbers of children report
these phenomenon. These children have no financial gain in mind. They merely report what they believe to be real. Even when scalded and shouted at by
angry mothers and fathers telling them to stop telling lies. I never did see Father Christmas, but I did recieve presents from him. Therefore I know
that Father Christmas must exist. Right ? Things are not always quite what we believe them to be. It turned out to be the case that Father Christmas
was my dad.
Visible to some, but invisible to others. We only see what we believe to be possible. Higher dimensionality is also called Quantum Entanglement.
Albert Einstien called it the "Folding of the Fabric of Time and Space". Reality as percieved by the skeptic is such that the evidence can be right
under their noses, and yet because the evidence does not fit into their paradigm, they will nevertheless not be able to see the evidence. In their
perception of reality the evidence is simply invisible to them. There are none more blind than are those who refuse to look, and there are none more
deaf than are those who refuse to listen.
I advise the like of "OldDragger" to get down off his high horse and start to see things as they really are. He aught to realise that he is a
nothing in all of this debate over the UFO phenomenon. Who is he ? What are his credentials ? Is he educated ? Is he rich ? What university did he go
to ? What is his work ? What connection does he have with COINTELPRO ? So long as he is hidden behind his alias "OldDragger" no one in the
science community will give him even one minute of their time.
For those with an open mind, who thus are not yet fixed in their opinion, science may still be able to enlighten you. I advise that you read THE
HOLOGRAPHIC UNIVERSE by MICHAEL TALBOT published by Harper Collins in 1991 ISBN 0-586-09171-8. Also I recommend that everyone watch the
movie THE FOURTH KIND.
Ignoring data that does not fit your paradigm, is called prejudice and politics, and has nothing to do with science. In science we collect the data,
and then work out a paradigm, that is able to explain all the data. "OldDragger" is simply ignoring any data that does not fit his preconcieved
paradigm. So much so that he is in danger of being classified as a psychopath and might need to visit a psychiatrist. Especially if an UFO lands in
his front garden and a little grey tooth fairy steps out. Seeing is believing.
You can see by my post count that I am not an ATS regular. I generally just scan for headlines that might be interesting.
My question to the OP:
Yes, there is a lot of BS on ATS. My question is, Why do you care so much? Who cares what people believe and why they believe it? The world is FULL of
people that believe more outlandish stuff than UFOs. Are you going to go to every site and every subject and demand they prove it?
I mean.....WHO GIVES A SH*T? Let people believe what they want. I dont understand why you have a bee up your butt over this. I can't see why anyone
would get themselves in a tizzy over something so trivial that doesn't affect their life.
I have family that thinks the government works the way we were taught in school and Obama is a swell guy. I dont waste my time and energy fighting
them on it, I just let them live in their silly little world.
*sigh* What happened to these boards? I used to love coming here and getting to the bottom of things, regardless of my own opinion of what I do/don't
think. Now, it's purely political, and you HAVE to tell everyone what side you're on. No offense to the mods or anything, but ATS isn't even a
credible place to talk about conspiracies or the unknown. I think I'm moving on .......
Theres no better evidence then just LOOKING UP^ IN THE SKY AND SEEING A UFO FOR YOURSELF, yes that would require you to walk away from you TV or your
"wacky" alien stories, possibly drive out of the City to get a clear view of the sky with "stars", Do you know that stars don't noticeably move?
And do you know what planes look like ? Yeah they aren't little balls of light that look like stars and move aimlessly around the skies, sometimes
fast, sometimes slow, and sometimes they just disappear. WHY DON'T YOU LOOK UP IN THE SKY AND GET PROOF FOR YOURSELF AND THINK FOR YOURSELF. Again
that would require you to stop looking DOWN and start looking UP^ and OPEN YOUR EYES
maybe you aren't looking for "proof" in the right places? Dont know how to search for "credible" evidence properly ?
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