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Originally posted by IntastellaBurst
We try to keep open minds here, ... you should do the same.
Oh, and just because something is not completely proven, doesn't mean it's not possible. A few hundred years ago they could not prove the earth was round, all we can do is look at the pictures, listen to credible eye witnesses and decide for ourselves.
There are pictures dating back at least 50 years, do you really think humans had the technology to make these objects ??
Why should we try to convince you when your mind is obviously made up, this thread serves nothing but your over inflated ego and need to justify your own narrow view of the world.
[edit on 10-7-2010 by IntastellaBurst]
12. The Belgian Air Force was unable to identify neither the nature nor the origin of the phenomena. However, it had sufficient elements to exclude following assumptions:
a. Balloons. Impossible due to the highly variable speeds (confirmed visually and by radar).
b. ULM. Same as for balloons.
c. RPV. Impossible due to the hovering characteristics.
d. Aircraft (including Stealth). Same as for RPV. No noise.
e. Laser projections or Mirages. Unlikely due to lack of projection surface (no clouds). Light spots have been observed from different locations. Light spots moved over distance of more than 15 NM. Form of inlighted part of spots has been observed with spectacles. Laser projections or mirages can not be detected by radar.
1961 Betty and Barney Hill Abduction
1967 The Betty Andreasson Abduction
1967 Abduction of Herbert Schirmer
1968 The Buff Ledge Camp Abduction
1969 The Antonio da Silva Abduction
1973 The Doraty Abduction, Houston, Texas
1973 Pascagoula, Mississippi Abduction (Parker, Hickson)
1974 Hunter Abducted in Wyoming
1975 The Abduction of Sergeant Charles L. Moody
1975 The Travis Walton Abduction
1976 The Stanford, Kentucky Abductions
1976 The Allagash Abductions
1978 The Cullen Abduction
1978 The Dechmont Woods Abduction
1978 The Abduction of Jan Wolski
1980's Lost Time/Abduction in New York
1980 The Alan Godfrey Abduction
1983 The Copely Woods Encounter
1983 The Abduction of Alfred Burtoo
1985 Abduction of Wladyslaw S.
1985 Abduction of Whitley Strieber
1987 Abduction on North Canol Road, Canada
1987 Hudson Valley Abduction
1987 The Christa Tilton Story
1987 The Ilkley Moor Alien
1987 The Jason Andews Abduction
1988 Abduction of Bonnie Jean Hamilton
1988 DNA Sample From Khoury Abduction
1989 Linda Cortile-Napolitano Abduction
1992 The A-70 Abduction
1993 The Kelly Cahill
1994 Abduction in Killeen, Texas
1997 Abduction in Wales
1997 Abduction in Australia, (Rylance-Heller)
1999 Carlyle Lake Abduction
2001 Abduction in Michigan
2003-Abduction in Florida
2004 Francis Family Abduction
2005 Man Abducted in Florida
2005 Clayton & Donna Lee Abduction
Physical trace reports were labeled Close Encounters of the Second Kind (CE-II) by J.Allen Hynek and involve instances where there was a physical interaction between the UFO and its environment. Usually these involve a landing trace, such as depressed grass or soil, but also burned or broken vegetation, residues, and more exotic traces. There are at least somewhere between 3,500 and 5,000 UFO physical trace cases.
Bill Chalker is one of Australia’s leading UFO researchers and the author of The OZ Files: The Australian UFO Story and Hair of the Alien: DNA and Other Forensic Evidence of Alien Abduction.
Bill's personal 'top ten' regional Australasian case list...
1. 31 August 1954 Sea Fury case, near Goulbourn, NSW, Australia (experienced naval pilot, radar visual confirmation, independent ground witnesses, apparent intelligent responses to witnesses’ thoughts about possible collision)
2. 23 July 1992 Peter Khoury “Hair of Alien” DNA case, Sydney, Australia (abduction-type encounter with female Nordic blonde yields anomalous hair sample that suggests “hybrid origin” and unusual genetic profiles)
3. 27 June 1959 Father Gill UFO entity sighting, Boianai, Papua New Guinea (credible multiple-witness sighting of animate entities on UFO with intelligent interactions)
4. 30 September 1980 George Blackwell’s UFO landing and physical trace case, Rosedale, Victoria, Australia (compelling array of physical evidence – ground trace, missing water, effects on witness, other witness)
5. 8 August 1993 Kelly Cahill’s abduction experience, Narre Warren North, Victoria, Australia (possible independent multiple-witness UFO encounter with abduction aspects and physical evidence)
6. 19 January 1966 George Pedley’s UFO nest encounter, Tully, Queensland, Australia (daylight close encounter with UFO take-off leaving physical evidence – “UFO nest”)
7. 14 April 1966 Ron Sullivan’s “bent headlight beam” experience, Burkes Flat, Victoria, Australia (striking UFO encounter, physical traces, bent light beams, possible related fatalities)
8. 6 April 1966 Westall school daylight UFO landing encounter, Westall, Victoria, Australia (multiple-witness daylight landing, physical traces, “cover-up” dimensions)
9. 1977–78 Gisborne UFO abduction milieu, Gisborne, New Zealand (complex and high strangeness UFO and abduction milieu – entities, multiple witnesses, multiple abductions)
10. May – August 1973 Tyringham Dundurrabin intense UFO flap area, New South Wales, Australia (long-term intense UFO flap, multiple witnesses, physical effects, paranormal aspects)
Radar sightings of UFO's are remarkably common, and also the most authentic. The word of expertly trained operators, backed up by tangible echo returns from unidentified intruders is hard to deny. In many cases these bizarre blips that suddenly invade military and civil radar screens are seen to execute manoeuvres completely beyond the abilities of any known aircraft. Ground speeds of up six thousand m.p.h are nothing unusual, and as if to add further credence to these incidents, many of these 'radar visuals' as they are called, have been simultaneously witnessed by naked eye observers, both on the ground and in the air!
There is more evidence to support visitation by ET than there is to support a belief in GOD.
Originally posted by OldDragger
This board, the entire internet is FULL OF hoax, fake, fraudulant UFO junk.
ATS is full of UFO hoaxes too.
Can any of you show ONE thing that isn't? That actually is evidence, even hinting of proof?
Seems a little odd that after all these years, all this "study' there is zilch, doesn't it.
AND! NOTICE I said proof, not "unexplained", as in, this photo is unexplained. Unexplained is only proof of it being unexplained!
Not unconfirmable "eyewitness" accounts.
You want to know why UFOlogy isn't a science? Because there isn't anything to study.
EVERY one of you that "believes' does so on faith, not reason or science.
So, I challenge you! Steer me to just ONE, just ONE bit of proof!
Originally posted by reject
reply to post by OldDragger
also, research battle of LA
there's also that old top hat ufo
[edit on 11-7-2010 by reject]
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by MAC269
There is more evidence to support visitation by ET than there is to support a belief in GOD.
Fiddlesticks. I'm an atheist, and even I disagree with you.
I'm with OldDragger here. No evidence of alien visitation has ever on planet Earth. This thread proves it. Keep up the good work, OD!
This is news to me. Where is this written?
Originally posted by romanmel
If you examine the record of their first interviews, Barney states that they seemed to speak German.
Gary Heseltine is a police detective with more than 17 years service and has been following the UFO subject for 32 years, since a childhood sighting aged 15. He is the editor of UFO Monthly.com
My top ten, in chronological order:
1. On 11 August 1944, whilst over France, a Lancaster bomber crew of eight saw what they described as a huge disc-shaped object with a row of lights that dwarfed their aircraft many times over. Upon landing, the crew officially reported what they had seen and were told not to talk to anyone about it and not to record the information in their log books. In a time before the era of ‘flying saucers and UFOs’ and at a time of war, this case stands as a landmark sighting.
2. The Great Falls, Montana, cine footage from August 1950. The footage clearly records two anomalous objects flying in formation; it was analysed extensively but to this day has never been explained.
3. The RAF Lakenheath radar-visual sighting of August13–14, 1956. UFOs were sighted visually from the air by the pilots of two fighter aircraft. One of the aircraft confirmed the sighting on its radar. The objects were tracked on three ground radar stations, with two control towers visually confirming the sighting. The objects were described as white and round and able to perform amazing changes of direction and abrupt changes of speed. Speeds were confirmed on radar at many thousands of miles per hour, way beyond the technology of the era.
4. Colonel Gordon Cooper’s account of a UFO landing at Edwards Air Force Base in 1957. He stated that whilst he was flying over the airfield with a film crew, a UFO descended and landed at the base. He later handed over the footage to a high-ranking officer from Washington and it was never seen again. Cooper was a man of the highest integrity who later became an astronaut on the Gemini space program.
5. Tehran, Iran, Jet Chase, early hours of 19 September 1976. The incident took place in the vicinity of the Shahrokhi Air Force Base and involved multiple military and civilian witnesses on the ground and the aircrews of two Iranian Air Force F-4 Phantom aircraft in the air. There were radar confirmations and electromagnetic effects reported. At one point, a smaller object separated from the main UFO and approached one of the chasing aircraft, a manœuvre that caused the plane to take evasive action to avoid a collision. The object then returned to the main UFO and merged into it. The sighting was confirmed on radar.
6. Rendlesham Forest, 26–28 December 1980 at RAF/USAF Woodridge base in Suffolk, England. The case involved a number of credible military witnesses, an encounter with a landed UFO, increased background radiation in the area where the landed object was seen, a confirmation by the Deputy Base Commander, Lieutenant-Colonel Charles Halt that he led a team of security airmen into the forest on one of the nights and that he had witnessed multiple UFOs himself, one of which shone a beam down to his feet and later into the Supplementary Storage Area (SSA) – a nuclear bunker complex, no less.
7. Japan Airlines, 17 November 1986. Whilst flying a cargo plane from Iceland to Anchorage, Alaska, the crew observed three walnut-shaped UFOs. One of the objects was enormous, many times the size of their Boeing 747 aircraft. The pilot, Kenju Terauchi, described the UFO as being twice the size of an aircraft carrier. The objects performed extraordinary manœuvres and stayed with the plane for 400 miles (640km). The incident was also confirmed on ground radar.
8. Belgium, night of 30–31 March 1990. Two F16s were ordered to intercept a radar-confirmed (three independent radar stations), triangular UFOs in the skies above Belgium. The case offers high-calibre witnesses – i.e. two F16 pilots – as well as multiple ground radar confirmations, airborne radar confirmations and target aircraft lock-ons. It also comes with an endorsement from Colonel De Brewer, the Deputy Head of the Belgium Air Force no less! But what raises the bar even further is a piece of physical evidence that is hard to ignore. A cockpit recording from one of the F16s captured the UFO performing a dive of 5,000ft (1,500m) in a matter of a couple of seconds, before levelling out and disappearing out of sight – a manœuvre impossible for terrestrial aviation technology.
9. The Tether Incident, STS 75, 1997. This case involves the Space Shuttle and footage recorded by NASA itself. Whilst an experiment was being performed, a 12-mile (19km) length of a satellite tether snapped and drifted into space. As the shuttle cameras zoomed in on the drifting tether, the footage captured numerous objects flying in its vicinity. The objects appear as circular light-emitting objects that at various times pass behind the tether and one has been estimated to be a mile (1.6km ) in diameter.
10. Campeche region of Mexico, March 2004. The crew of a military drug surveillance plane recorded up to 12 UFOs on their FLIR infra-red camera system. One of the objects can be seen to separate into two. The aircraft’s radar also confirmed the sighting. During the incident, which lasted more than 30 minutes, the UFOs gathered around the aircraft, to the consternation of the aircrew. Unusually, the Mexican government released details of the encounter in full. They provided the footage, the crew and the Head of the Mexican Air Force for questioning by the world’s media.