Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

reply to post by Idotwhat


that first video you posted is hard to take as real.

the panting is so fake it sounds.

reply to post by OldDragger


There are TONS of credible photos in public domain that have UNIDENTIFIED features in them. That is what a UFO is, genius. This whole OP is asinine. The UFO community must be finally getting somewhere because it looks like all the old men and others who can't handle it are already boxing their fragile brains in, preparing themselves perfectly for total shock and insanity when the news finally breaks.

"Hinting" of evidence? What the hell does that even mean?

Look up what UFO means. "Unidentified flying object," but don't take my word for it, please, look it up. Then look at some of the photos, like from the craft that flew over Washington DC in the 1950s and caused jets to be scrambled repeatedly, as one single example out of thousands, and what do YOU have to explain that? Just theories with NO EVIDENCE. Therefore they remain UNIDENTIFIED. So UFOs unarguably exist, because you can't prove what thousands of them actually are, so they MUST be still unidentified by definition. Case closed on that one, you fail. Now I just have to wait for the inevitable troll reply of more denial and people aggressively boxing their little brains in.

No, I can't understand why these people even come to ATS either, unless something in the back of their minds just won't let them rest about all this. Maybe they have a little sense tucked back away in there somewhere after all.

Has anyone mentioned that UFOs just might be an invention by the late and great Tesla? I think it's just us (humans) piloting these flying saucers.

Originally posted by Master Shen long
Im drunk.... But this i will say,

olddagger, phage, that 1 who starts with a double ee or whatever are all tools.

Show them a picture of ET ramming a probe up your backside and they will debunk it as something or anything else than what it is. "Well why is my ass bleeding then"?

Im bored of these nonces

There really is no need to call anyone a sex-offender just because they disagree with you. You're giving your argument no credibility by behaving that way. Your behaviour is absolutely uncalled for. All people are asking for is proof, not evidence or gut feelings, and all you come back with are insults? If your argument is strong enough then there is no need to go to that level.

The point the OP is making is where is the proof that we've been visited? Show us the proof that alien beings from another planet have came to Earth. Millions of photographs don't make it proof. Millions of pieces of footage don't make it proof. Eye-witness accounts don't mean anything. Out of all the UFO media available, I have yet to see something that makes me scream "HOLY CR@P! I'VE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG!" and unless you can provide me with 24-carat solid gold proof then I will have to keep on looking and waiting.

Originally posted by Idotwhat

sry if this one dont work like i said im new dont know what im doing yet lol

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hoax.

Prove me that NEVER WILL BE A PROOF and then I believe they don't exist.
YOU and the OP said that since thare is no proof (until today) that mens they don't exist.
WRONG.
That is not a proof they don't exist.
That's just given up, and I defend your right to do it, but I say it's NOT a proof that who continues searching for evidence of alien existence must do so.

*EDIT for minors errors

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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Skeptics & Debunkers must be Misinformation Agents. What other explanation exists?
originally posted by traditionaldrummer:
And what evidence does Major Gordon Cooper bring to the table? None. Simply "I believe blah blah blah".

traditionaldrummer,
Since you bothered to state AS FACT that Astronaut Major Gordon Cooper was quoted as saying: ”I believe blah blah blah”
I was wondering, misinformation agent, can you supply a link or source for this quote other than from your own head?
thanks,
ET

Maybe I can help?

Edgar Mitchell

Astronaut's Claim UFO's exist www.dailymail.co.uk... Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14 Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.
Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up. Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.' He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head. Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'. Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission. 'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said. 'It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it.

Gordon Cooper
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... www.ufoevidence.org... Gordon Cooper, Mercury Astronaut In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity. "I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth" he told a United Nations panel in 1985. "I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion" He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us"

And there are about a dozen more quotes and statements ALL from astronauts on UFOevidence.org check-astronaut encounters/reports.
Hope this is useful for you!

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Please stop typing and slowly back away from the computer and quit showing how much sense of reason you do not have. What were you thinking when you started to do this thread. Anybody that started a rediculous thread on a topic like this should have come to his/her (just being politcally correct) senses before typing. How can someone prove anything to you when you keep saying that you need something more concrete. I will bet if they landed in your front yard came in took a dump ate your food and watched porn on the tv while you were home you would still want more proof. Am I right or wrong about this? And yes this is directed toward the OP. This is not a personal attack towards you it is a common sense attack, because it seems to show you are using or have lost most of it.

For me well I am willing to wait a little more since right now there has been more sightings,video,photographs and also Countries that want full disclosure on all files etc.. [Proof] on UFOs.
After all the public pressure and help from forums like ATS more people are willing to speak and share information and not afraid to tell a newspaper of a sighting or report to police etc.. So for full 'Proof' only time will tell IMHO.
Still could be wrong.

This thread shows that pseudoskeptics are not serious.

Evidence has been presented and there's little to no counter evidence coming from the pseudoskeptic. They just keep saying "Prove" this or that.

They can't even prove they exist. They can't prove that matter exists.

All you can do is weigh the available evidence as to what's most likely. There's been a lot of evidence presented for the proposition that extraterrestrial visitation has occurred and little or no counter evidence from the pseudoskeptic.

Theres a cloaked military human power on the planet,using free anergy anti gravitation planes,they use liquid reversed foton fluid mixed with ferro fluid on the outside,this is human made,but litle out for me so maybee theres a renegade group taking tech from us and destroying us when they are satiesfied.all these spheres you see are dangerous,they are bombs,you make this by electrifieng and charge liquid ruibidium or francium,you make reverse magnet fluid off argon to make spehere around this and you can move it around in side the filed off ship,iff you break sphere the fluid detonate,the reason why they pulsate is because with control with microwave from ship you transfer energy to sphere and it pulsate,but again,its bombs,these things are there and iff they also is able too use they talk about aliens to their protection then they happy and have easy time keep getting not seen,iff these planes are not made from you,then i sugest you find them extremely fast before they get to powerful,this is human rogues and very clever ones,this technology is litle old fashion for my taste but it works im a litle more out my self.you have right in one thing,iff alien comes here then they wouldn use human technolgy they wouldn have propulsion that takes oxygen these kind off systems are for athomoesfheric flight and is not doiable in space so there fore,real alien tech is the one that can do both,and how does i mean by this,sorry im not to tel all secrets,,,
withreply to post by OldDragger

Originally posted by Master Shen long

So your saying pilots, police, air force, scientists, commisioned military officers to name but a few who have come forward with multiple eye witness accounts dont count of evidence as visitation? Maybe not in your eyes but you dont realy matter now do you?

The assumption is “aliens” and that is what I think the OP is getting at. The fact that many responsible people have seen things they cannot explain is not the debate as much as the UFO subculture that has branched off these unexplained observations to explain and create a universe with races, names, locations of origin, government involvement, agendas etc. I'm with the OP in we just do not know and it is rather funny how the whole alien thing is minutely explain as factual without anything but observations to go on.

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reply to post by eennoo


You guys are silly. Yes, credible people such as pilots, astronauts, high ranking military, and many many more actually do count as evidence. Just because we are not in a court of law doesn't mean you discount everything.
The OP is obviously trying to stir the pot. You're right OP, no one has a living breathing alien they can show you, so you might as well go back to where you came from. Don't worry OP, in our lifetime you will be able to eat your words. It will happen, patience.

reply to post by Xtrozero


Again, people are not coming to these conclusions out of thin air.

The eyewitnesses describe what they saw, heard and experienced. Some of them have even been taken onto these crafts. So people are not making anything up. They are just going by the evidence as reported and investigated.

The pseudoskeptic thinks their opinion should be given more weight than the eyewitness testimony and that's silly.

Eyewitness accounts is direct evidence.

DIRECT EVIDENCE

Evidence that stands on its own to prove an alleged fact, such as testimony of a witness who says she saw a defendant pointing a gun at a victim during a robbery. Direct proof of a fact, such as testimony by a witness about what that witness personally saw or heard or did.

www.lectlaw.com...

There's ways to test the credibility of the witness. The pseudoskeptic acts like the credibility of the witness means nothing but the legal system would break down if we didn't use eyewitness testimony and we didn't have credible witnesses.

So the pseudoskeptic thinks their opinion should be given more weight than the pilot, police officer or astronaut who's giving the eyewitness account.

Give me a break!

Originally posted by eennoo
I am willing to believe that. I am willing to believe....

that kind of sums this thread up. we are all willing, to a greater or lesser extent, to believe things we have no concrete proof of, as eloquently stated above. just a matter of "whatever flaps your flag".... so let's just all move along now shall we?

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If you are wanting proof of aliens you can get that by driving down to the local Home Depot in the mornings and I guarantee you will see some aliens. Oh crap, sorry about that you are talking about aliens from space and not illegal aliens. Sorry about that but that is proof aliens have visited even if it is only a home depot.

Originally posted by dplum517
The OP is obviously trying to stir the pot. You're right OP, no one has a living breathing alien they can show you, so you might as well go back to where you came from. Don't worry OP, in our lifetime you will be able to eat your words. It will happen, patience.

Eating words is not an issue in all this since skeptics are not saying aliens do not exists at all, but saying the proof is not there to come to an alien conclusion. I can suggest they are actually humans from our future and carry as much factual weight in being correct as you saying they are aliens.

At some point we need to progress forward but don’t you find it strange that we are still in the observation stage even after 4000 years? Not to mention the huge global connection we have seen in the last 20 years and still we are stuck with nothing but 1000 to 4000 year old wall carvings and cameras today, but in all that time it is all still the same thing with just having third party observations.



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I confess I didn't read the first 18 pages of replies.

There is so much good evidence, if you really jump in and read all the various cases. I suspect quite a few govs are testing earth related military equipment, which is mistaken for UFOs, like the stealth bomber was for example.

My favourite would be Ronald Reagan on Camera telling how a UFO pulled up alongside airforce one when he was POTUS, the really funny part was the face of the advisor that was standing next to him, priceless

The French pilots press interviews, they were good, some of the mexican footage.....the list is endless.

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As there are believers who will believe everything, there are also de-bunkers who refuse to believe in anything and hide behind there "scientific approach" wall. I really believe that some de-bunkers love doing this, and i truely believe that if they had a choice or disclosure, or no disclosure, they would choose the no disclosure. The reason why is you will be taking away what they love, and thats de-bunking, coming across as clever,intelligent etc. They will never admit this, but they know its true.

As for me. I believe that the ufo phenomenon is real, and is filled with cases that defy explanation. So, of course i believe the subject needs to be taken seriously.

reply to post by pterra


I'm not saying that aliens don't exist. I am saying that there is quite simply no proof that aliens fly the crafts that are photographed in the many millions of photos. Show me one genuine photo or interview with an alien or an alien flying a spaceship. It is purely speculation that alien beings fly these craft.

For the record, I believe in UFO's - there are too many photos and videos etc to dismiss that the phenomenom doesn't exist. Is a UFO an alien ship? Not necessarily. The clue is in the name. I also believe that to deny the existence of life elsewhere in the universe is stupendous considering the vastness of it. But, to automatically say that anything unidentifiable is being navigated by an alien life form without any proof or even evidence is incredulous. A while back I would be arguing against the OP because it's what I believe but where is the proof? Personally I'm not saying that aliens don't exist, but prove they visit us.

Some of you guys are behaving like the way religious people react when questioning their faith.