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Show us ONE, just one UFO pic or ANY evidence that can be proven as evidence of visitation.

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posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Why can't you just stay a moderate, polite skeptic and not insult people? Jesus... four threads with skeptics/ debunkers insulting believers and vice versa. Glad to see ATS' bandwidth is being put to good use
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this one is just too good.
Stay in my place huh?
Would you like me to go, post by post, and refute each casem or whatever was cited
then you guys would go nuts about me debunking, isn't that right?
Almost ALL of the "evidence" posted here is baloney.
To all of you that "believe" and lecture me, Text DO YOUR OWN "RESEARCH" AND YOU WILL SEE WHY YOUR EVIDENCE IS IGNORED BY SCIENCE!




posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by kingneptune117
Hey, OP why dont you give us some proof that aliens HAVENT visited earth, at least we have some fuzzy pictures. Besides, think about it. Over 100 billion stars in our galaxy ALONE! Imagine how many planets there are. It almost seems ludacris to say that aliens do not exist. And it is not too surprising that aliens may be visiting us. Think about it, what would WE do if we found an ET planet with intelligent beings on it. We would just hop down there and say "Hi". That would be just plain stupid. What if these beings werent very nice? Wed be screwed. We would go in there stealthily and observe.


This stems from people saying that aliens have visited the earth on spaceships. I think it should be those who believe this happens to prove it. The OP hasn't once said that aliens don't exist. All he asked for is proof that aliens visit earth....

It seems that some people read half of what people post then jump in with their opinions based on absolutely nothing because they didn;t read posts in their entirety



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by FeatheredSerpent
reply to post by Xtrozero
 


On the flip side,were are the humans?


regards to all


True, we cannot even suggest living anything, so I guess the "Unidentified" part of UFO is very valid. What we can say is Flying Objects and that is about it….

I’m not sure how we go from UFOs to somthing like this




GREYS, THE Zeta Reticulans (See Star Map)
This is the group of aliens who abducted Betty and Barney Hill in 1958. and these are the ones who have supposedly been doing the majority of the abductions. They are said to have no emotions and little regard for human life .

The dim point of light known to us as Zeta Reticuli is actually a binary star system, and its two stars are each very much like our own yellow sun. It is not visible in the northern hemisphere. In our (Earth) sky, it is approximately equidistant between the constellation Orion and the Celestial South Pole. The constellation Reticulum is a fairly small collection of faint stars, of which zeta is barely visible to the naked eye even though it is relatively close to us at approximately 40 light years ~ right around the corner in Galactic terms. See Star Map

They 'feed' off of human and animal vital fluids by rubbing a 'liquid protein' formula on their bodies, which is then absorbed through the skin. Like typical reptiles which shed their skins the 'waste' is excreted back through the skin. The Greys range from 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 ft. tall on the average, with skin colors ranging from gray-white to grey-brown to gray-green to grey-blue. Aside from feeding off of human and animal proteins and fluids, they also allegedly feed off the 'life energy', the 'vital essence' or 'soul energy' of humans as do other reptilian species. This is why those humans seen working with the Greys (implanted and programmed 'drones', whether willingly or unwillingly) have appeared 'lifeless' and 'emotionless' to the witnesses who observed them. The Zeta's or Greys live in the Constellation "Reticulum" by the Star "Zeta 2 Reticuli'.a planet was discovered there and then suddenly taken off the list!



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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wierd way to try to prove a negative in my opinion,
yet i have to congratulate the OP and the thread for
the circular reasoning of it all,

ufo´s are just as real as the milk in you local store



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:33 PM
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Oh, I watch this stuff and see how this subject has divided so many people right down a line that doesn't even exist.

We have the skeptics that are saying one thing and the believers are saying something entirely different.

Skeptics rely on science and its slow propensity for discovery, and many believers rely on either personal experience, videos, or testimony from witnesses.

I will say this now...the amount of knowledge that one can ascertain is actually dependent on the limitations, or lack thereof, of the imagination. Everything on this planet that we take for granted is a result of human imagination. Whether it be the roads we drive, the technology that we use, or the homes in which we live, someone conceived of this in their imagination and then made it reality. I had this same discussion on another thread and ironically, the only one's who couldn't digest what I was saying were the debunkers and skeptics who cannot view anything past what has already been placed in their laps by the workings of someone else that they consider to be more knowledgeable than them. Sorry skeptics and debunkers, but, you have ultimately limited yourselves to the confines of the very finite field of science, which ultimately, is nothing more than a religion. If we actually still accepted the idea that the earth was flat and didn't have technology that would prove this inaccurate, guess what, the status quo would still say that the world was, in fact, still flat.

Albert Einstein ladies and gentlemen:
“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

Is there someone on ATS who views themselves as more intelligent than this man and cares to debunk someone who was far ahead of them in the game? Anyone? If you actually attempt to debunk this, you will only be reaffirming this post altogether. In effect, I can already say..."checkmate," because there isn't a single one of you that can claim that they know everything in their absolutes.

Point Blank: Those who can imagine higher possibilities will always be ahead of the curve against those who limit themselves to the discoveries of others, be that science, religion, or what have you. If you definitively say that there are no UFO's or aliens, then essentially, you are only confirming your limited belief structure to yourself. You haven't changed anyone else's minds, you are only putting yourself into a box that you inherently choose to reside. That's your choice.

There have been multiple points of proof that have surfaced that would indicate that UFO's are quite real, and they have been supported by several experts, credible witnesses, and people to whom you have had faith enough to run this country.

If you cannot find enough proof to change your mind concerning this topic, then I would say that there isn't enough proof in the Universe to open the closed mind that you have shut and locked like a trap. Remember that word...TRAP; because essentially, that is all that you have put yourself into. The EGO is a very powerful force that will make you entertain absolutes, when in a multidimensional reality, no absolutes exist. Don't lock yourself inside of a box, or you will find that no matter what information surfaces, you will constantly disavow it in order to maintain the limited reality that you have built for yourselves. And just because you've limited your own reality, doesn't mean that everyone wants to do the same with theirs.

That's enough from me. Continue your rants.

Namaste and Love

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posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:34 PM
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What's interesting to note is out of the thousands of alleged sightings/abductions described by so many people, why has no one (especially those who claim to have seen a UFO up close, gone onboard an alien ship and meet the ET occupants) snapped a clear picture up close of the craft inside and out, and/and brought back something physical that could be analyzed from their experience?

Speaking of which, does anyone know what the conclusions were among researchers and/or scientists regarding the pink powdery substance found on Betty Hill's dress from the famous Betty and Barney Hill sighting/abduction case? What about the map that Betty drew that turned out to be a real star map? Was that eventually debunked?

Doesn't it seem as though the better our camera technology gets, the worse the pictures/videos of UFOs become? It seems that the best UFO photography is usually the oldest.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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The sad truth is the OP is correct. I am and have been a very fond believer in UFO's and the conspiracy of them for many years. Being a believer and choosing that seeing is believing goes hand in hand. A personal experience of mine which was a very entailed encounter with a ufo of close proximity was eye opening. From that experience, I did the only the thing I could, contact a MUFON website. Typing my account with the boldest of details. Now, with that said, years later...still being very involved with the ideas that there is something out there...and as all true sci-fi guys are, I try and keep current with my surroundings. I live in the great blue grass state of Kentucky. Happened upon a book about my great state of named Mysterious Kentucky written by B.M. Nunnelly. Heres a link : www.prairieghosts.com...

Intrigued with these stories i read it up. No low and behold...the ufo section is in full splendor when I happen upon a brief paragraph or so of my account. Word for word..everything I wrote and described on the MUFON website is published in this book about the mysteries of this lovely state. Wow...my account published in a book that an author is making money on.... Ok...how many other accounts that real people had and have are put in the main stream for information to the masses, or simply gathered by people who know 60% of the population of the United States believe in these mysteries and can make a buck or two selling 2nd 3rd 10th hand accounts of events.

Yes..I know ..what can I say...I bought the book, I'm a sucker....but the sad thing is that I do believe. I want to believe...there are so many things out there, Ufos Aliens Bigfoot etc.. Where is the undeniable proof to these mysteries? Did ancient aliens spawn humanity. Is bigfoot an ape that dates back in time...do dinosaurs still roam the earth...and hell is Elvis truly dead ha ha? I know what I saw...and other than my sight ..the only proof is in my head. And guess what...I bet every person out there I tell that story to believes with every fiber of their being huh?

So, lets go with faith right? Christianity as a whole believes in someone and something they have never saw...felt,touched. There is no proof other than a book and history. Some like to blend ufos and Christianity. Are we here by merely coincidence...I don't know..the biggest question of all is .....PROVE IT....



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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Hey dude ok first of all I have to congratulate you on the amount of replies you have got from this . I saw this thread this morning and gave my 2 cents and cant believe its still going.
Ok so you want proof , there is none ...but you already know that and so should all the others here. There is however a hell of a lot of evidence to consider and Im not talking about the pics that get photoshopped then plastered here on ATS.
Yes theres so called testimonies from astronauts and to be honest thats probabaly the best evidence yet ...BUT.. the chance of those testimonies being some kind of dis info to cover military experiments/technology is just as likely as the guys being nuts or honestly telling the truth because we have know way to prove any of it.
You either believe that somethings going on up there or not , I personally do but not from the photos , my belief comes from my own study into ancient cultures because human society went from the fashioning of simple tools to a fully civilized culture with a language in a Very questionable time period ...but even I have to admit that there may be flaws in our current system of carbon dating that we arent yet aware of. Also there are very interesting writings in cuniform script from ancient sumaria and later on egyptian tablets that have images of object that could point to evidece of a higher intelligence but once again its a matter of opinion and we could have them all wrong .
Now this is what it all comes down to when you do real research , you have to be very objective and be able to admit that you may be wrong.
Now Im not gonna sit here and try and convice you to believe something that is only a theory because thats all aliens are at the moment , but I do commend you because while Im always open to debate my biggest peeve on here is when people start talkig about the "galactic federation of light" or the "greys" or the "reptilians" like its a fact or when people start preaching about were not ready on a spiritual level to accept them and all that jazz.
I think that you may have pissed some people off but for others you may have given them the hard truth that at this point in time THERE IS NO PROOF OF ALIENS AND IT COULD ALL BE FALSE... and I know it wont happen but it may jump start more logical threads on the topic because at the end of the day the only way were going to find out is if we study the data with an objective mind rather than just believe because we want to and I know we want to I respect that , but the only way to get the subject taken seriously is if we take it seriously ourselves.
Let me know wot you think old dragger



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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geez you just posting this video in every thread? 2nd one i've seen in 5 minutes.

might as well make your own thread about it..



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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THANK YOU!
At least some of you get it!
Gee, posters!
What would you guess the deliberate fake to genuinly unexplained ratio is in UFOlogy?
Which forum on ATS has the most Hoaxes?
I wonder?
Which "new age" field has so many "experts" that make a buck off their "contacts", books, etc?
BUT, hey how about that Battle of Los Angeles?



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by metalpr
Stop posting Uranus pics...because it has been photographed it doesn't means that it exist.


But there is so much backing up those pictures...and that is my point. I have no problem with pictures when we have other forms of evidence supporting them. In the case of a planet we have math and gravitational forces along with further observation and study in the form of space probes that all support each other.

Truthfully if we had technology, metals etc found well ahead of our capabilities and or dugout of some ancient site, or dead alien DNA or so many other supporting evidence I would take the big step in an instant.
I think humans are very capable in creating things that even today we scratch our heads at and say WTF. I really need something physical that is out of this world to further any beliefs in Aliens



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero
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Great videos of UFOs, but I failed to see the aliens too, can you point them out?


I dint know i had to show ALiens too! i thought the OP said just ufos wow ! can help me out i cant decide show me some ! I can show you a Real intelligent shape changing color changing Animal tho! or a couple of Super humans the defies the Laws of Physical science


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posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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Ok I see you need a little help understanding the context of what I said. I will put it in an easier way so that you do not get lost. I was making a point that if an ET were to do those things and you seen them do it while you were at home this would still not be enough evidence to prove that there are ET's that are visiting this planet. This is called sarcasm if I was going to fast then please let me know and I will slow down some more for you to catch up.So the point was can you prove that these unidentified crafts are not from somewhere off this planet and can you prove that these crafts are all from this planet and are being flown by humans. I will go as far to say you cannot prove that these crafts are not from another place just as you cannot prove that there have been noo ET's that have visited Earth. I see everyone wants proof,but when evidence is shown you want to say that doesn't prove a thing.Was that put in simple enough context for you to understand.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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I can;t ..I have no photo

but I've seen what I've seen up close and personal no magic no blinky lights

real craft , mechanical in nature observed up close for a significant duration of time


so that's good enough for me,,I know the craft exist,I don't know who pilots them

that's all I know

I can go there and believe in aliens theoretically but until I see one .....



I can't at all believe nonsense like tribes of Zeta Reticulan vampires who can always elude notice

I like the guy who says he hung out with Aliens in Nevada who went to Casinos and gambled, he says they had wives and children and they look pretty much like us if you don't look to hard and they don't give a hoot about our planet or our politics because this is just an flight change airport for them......not saying that's true but it matches what I would expect from ETs



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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So you think its weird to ask for REAL evidence to prove or disprove something...what? Lol


 
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posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Wolfenz
I dint know i had to show ALiens too! i thought the OP said just ufos wow ! can help me out i cant decide show me some ! I can show you a Real intelligent shape changing color changing Animal tho! or a couple of Super humans the defies the Laws of Physical science
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Ya I agree that humans are most likely capable of things we don't know much about or are aware of, but I think the OP's point is he wants to see the physical evidence in connecting UFOs to aliens. I look at your post and say nice UFOs and another person says wow look at those Greys hunting humans for their life essence.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris
As there are believers who will believe everything, there are also de-bunkers who refuse to believe in anything and hide behind there "scientific approach" wall. I really believe that some de-bunkers love doing this, and i truely believe that if they had a choice or disclosure, or no disclosure, they would choose the no disclosure. The reason why is you will be taking away what they love, and thats de-bunking, coming across as clever,intelligent etc. They will never admit this, but they know its true.

As for me. I believe that the ufo phenomenon is real, and is filled with cases that defy explanation. So, of course i believe the subject needs to be taken seriously.


Yeah the UFO phenomenom is real. It is undeniable but a UFO doesn't mean extra-terrestrial pilots. And millions of photos of seemingly strange flying craft doesn't mean alien pilots.

I'm guessing you must be some sort of psychic or telepath? I mean, you believe that I would choose non-disclosure and you believe in something you haven't seen nor seen proof of.

Look, myself, others and the OP are not disputing the existence of alien life. We dispute that there is proof of aliens in any of the photos or videos endlessly posted online. Show me an aliens mugshot. Or one flying a craft. We all believe the same thing except I'm willing to admit that I am acting on faith whilst others are claiming they came to their conclusions using proof. Proof of an alien flying a spaceship would be a photo or video flying a spaceship. Who is to say there aren't humans flying those crafts? Or some kind of AI or autopilot?



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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I see Aliens much like Ghost in that it really comes down to personal experience mostly. I been a professional pilot for 30 plus years and been all over the world while never seeing anything out of the ordinary, but I would think if I personally had an experience I might think differently.

It would be nice one day to have enough supporting evidence so that we do not need a personal experience to believe.



posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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I think you have things mixed up a bit. Ufo believers want the general public to believe. Maybe they have personally witnessed something or maybe not. But is it really that big of a deal to ask for evidence when others are tring to pass their beliefs on to you? No. So if the ufo people do not want people criticizing the million hoaxes out there stop preaching your beliefs. The fact of the matter is that its very obvious people have an agenda on this site to make non believers believe without providing any evidence or sourcing hoaxes and then cry wolf when its debunked or they are asked for evidence...99percent of the people trying to prove ufos are either liars or delusional.


 
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posted on Jul, 11 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Jay-Morris

As for me. I believe that the ufo phenomenon is real, and is filled with cases that defy explanation. So, of course i believe the subject needs to be taken seriously.

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If these cases "defy explaination", then how can they be "explained" as aliens?
What sense does that make?



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